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Christian church to host quran book burning

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Since: Jun 07

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#1 Jul 31, 2010
Amazing that this goes on in modern society.

The Dove World Outreach Center, a nondenominational christian church in Gainesville Florida is inviting christians to attend a public quran book burning on September 11th.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/29/florida.burn...

This church is also planning a protest against the mayor of Gainesville for being gay.
Sandy

United States

#2 Jul 31, 2010
Arctic49519 wrote:
Amazing that this goes on in modern society.
The Dove World Outreach Center, a nondenominational christian church in Gainesville Florida is inviting christians to attend a public quran book burning on September 11th.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/29/florida.burn...
This church is also planning a protest against the mayor of Gainesville for being gay.
You call BS on Paul all the time and then turn around and do the same thing. This is a nondenominational church period. You choose to incite the masses again. Pathetic. Besides which, this is "modern day" freedom in America. If it is wonderful that people like Shirley Sherrod can say what they want to and the Black Panthers can intimidate white people at polling places, these people can vocalize their protests as they see fit. Isn't freedom a wonderful thing? Too bad for you that it is for all and not just the ones you agree with.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#3 Jul 31, 2010
Sandy wrote:
<quoted text>You call BS on Paul all the time and then turn around and do the same thing. This is a nondenominational church period. You choose to incite the masses again. Pathetic. Besides which, this is "modern day" freedom in America. If it is wonderful that people like Shirley Sherrod can say what they want to and the Black Panthers can intimidate white people at polling places, these people can vocalize their protests as they see fit. Isn't freedom a wonderful thing? Too bad for you that it is for all and not just the ones you agree with.
This might be your dumbest post yet and that is saying a lot. Are you denying that these folks are Christians? Do you think it is Christian to burn the Islamic holy book? How about we have a Bible burning at Calder Plaza, would you prefer that?

Artic's headline accurately describes the story, could it be you are ashamed of the story and don't want to admit it.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#4 Jul 31, 2010
If a group set up shop in the middle of you town and started burning bibles or whatever holy book you believe in wouldn't you be in the least bit outraged?
Sandy wrote:
<quoted text>You call BS on Paul all the time and then turn around and do the same thing. This is a nondenominational church period. You choose to incite the masses again. Pathetic. Besides which, this is "modern day" freedom in America. If it is wonderful that people like Shirley Sherrod can say what they want to and the Black Panthers can intimidate white people at polling places, these people can vocalize their protests as they see fit. Isn't freedom a wonderful thing? Too bad for you that it is for all and not just the ones you agree with.
Thewayiseeit

Cheboygan, MI

#5 Jul 31, 2010
Better books than people!! They have the right to freedom of expression just like the folks that run around burning the Stars and Stripes. The only difference is YOU disagree with their view. How Unamerican of you.
Sandy

United States

#6 Jul 31, 2010
Estrella65 wrote:
If a group set up shop in the middle of you town and started burning bibles or whatever holy book you believe in wouldn't you be in the least bit outraged?
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How about the Muslims come to your town and enslave you and your family? Would you like that? This is AMERICA....there is freedom here whether you like it or not! I would love, just ONCE, to have you leftist elitists scream about an American hater doing something. Good grief, you guys are getting totally pathetic. What is really scary is that none of you care to see through Arctic, but just accept the BS he posts against religion on a daily basis.

Since: Jun 07

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#7 Jul 31, 2010
Thewayiseeit wrote:
Better books than people!! They have the right to freedom of expression just like the folks that run around burning the Stars and Stripes. The only difference is YOU disagree with their view. How Unamerican of you.
No one is questioning their right to do it, just their message and motive.

I also don't know of anyone on this forum who thinks it's cool to burn the flag.
John Kerry

Battle Creek, MI

#8 Jul 31, 2010
GR Pete wrote:
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How about we have a Bible burning at Calder Plaza, would you prefer that?
Problem is Pete, you would not be the least bit outraged if this were to occur. You would be out there with all your ACLU types depending their "freedom of expression". As always Pete you try to have it both ways. You truly are a racist!
John Kerry

Battle Creek, MI

#9 Jul 31, 2010
Arctic49519 wrote:
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No one is questioning their right to do it, just their message and motive.
I also don't know of anyone on this forum who thinks it's cool to burn the flag.
Check with Pete on that!

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#10 Jul 31, 2010
Sandy wrote:
<quoted text>How about the Muslims come to your town and enslave you and your family? Would you like that? This is AMERICA....there is freedom here whether you like it or not! I would love, just ONCE, to have you leftist elitists scream about an American hater doing something. Good grief, you guys are getting totally pathetic. What is really scary is that none of you care to see through Arctic, but just accept the BS he posts against religion on a daily basis.
I have several friends from several religions and I respect EACH one for their beliefs! America was founded so that we each could practice our own preferred religion. It is NOT a Christian Country as you would like everyone to believe it is. We have the freedom of Speech, Freedom to practice the Religion of our choosing and I am NOT a Leftist Entitlist!! I believe in Humans beings acting Civilized toward eachother and respecting eachother for their beliefs, culture and ethnic diversity. I am sorry Sandy if this doesn't fit into your subjective, segregated views of what a small group of people who happen to look alike and think alike and sound alike. That is what is so wonderful about America I know, We are a Diverse melting pot of Colors, Religions, Views and Cultures! I embrace a society that is complex and beautiful! I really feel sorry for you, It must be lonely looking at the same sights and sounds all the time.
John Kerry

Battle Creek, MI

#11 Jul 31, 2010
Estrella65 wrote:
<quoted text>
I have several friends from several religions and I respect EACH one for their beliefs! America was founded so that we each could practice our own preferred religion. It is NOT a Christian Country as you would like everyone to believe it is. We have the freedom of Speech, Freedom to practice the Religion of our choosing and I am NOT a Leftist Entitlist!! I believe in Humans beings acting Civilized toward eachother and respecting eachother for their beliefs, culture and ethnic diversity. I am sorry Sandy if this doesn't fit into your subjective, segregated views of what a small group of people who happen to look alike and think alike and sound alike. That is what is so wonderful about America I know, We are a Diverse melting pot of Colors, Religions, Views and Cultures! I embrace a society that is complex and beautiful! I really feel sorry for you, It must be lonely looking at the same sights and sounds all the time.
You are void between the ears....whether or not you choose to acknowledge it, this country was founded on CHRISTIAN beliefs. READ some of the founding documents. The fact that you can practice any religion you chose is a freedom granted to you, but make no mistake about it: this country was founded on CHRISTIAN beliefs.
Sandy

United States

#12 Jul 31, 2010
Estrella65 wrote:
<quoted text>
I have several friends from several religions and I respect EACH one for their beliefs! America was founded so that we each could practice our own preferred religion. It is NOT a Christian Country as you would like everyone to believe it is. We have the freedom of Speech, Freedom to practice the Religion of our choosing and I am NOT a Leftist Entitlist!! I believe in Humans beings acting Civilized toward eachother and respecting eachother for their beliefs, culture and ethnic diversity. I am sorry Sandy if this doesn't fit into your subjective, segregated views of what a small group of people who happen to look alike and think alike and sound alike. That is what is so wonderful about America I know, We are a Diverse melting pot of Colors, Religions, Views and Cultures! I embrace a society that is complex and beautiful! I really feel sorry for you, It must be lonely looking at the same sights and sounds all the time.
You should know about looking at the same sights and sounds all the time....you only see color. I, on the other hand, don't care about color. I care about character. What I see in you and the other racists on here are people who only care about color during the election cycle. The rest of the time? Go away, don't bother you.

Since: Dec 08

Ottawa County

#13 Jul 31, 2010
What the hell is wrong with people?

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#14 Jul 31, 2010
Good Day,

Let's see if I can do this... so as not to get in too much trouble with my Conservative bretheren. While many in the US may not like what they see as far as Islam (note I said Islam not Muslim, there is a difference) I do not support this action. Too Farenheit 451 for me. While there is the freedom of speech which may allow a private individual to take such action, I find it dangerous and obscene. Where do we draw the line? When are we going to start burning Hemingway, Kerouac, Twain, the Torah...? Certainly there are artists and writers who have crossed the line of good taste (Andres Serrano) but, again, where do we draw the line? One of the concepts our country was founded upon is the freedom to express one's religion.

Certainly, strict Sharia Law is grotesque and foriegn to many in the US and to our citizens and sense of decency. It is offensive in our understanding of freedom and women's rights. Certainly there are those who support Sharia law as a means by which to protect women, but is it really? Does it really protect women or enslave them? Take the recent possible stoning incident in Iran.

On the other hand, I have had the grand and wonderful opprotunity to have travelled and lived overseas. I have met, befriended and done business with many, and I emphisize, moderate Muslims. These were true salt of the Earth people who you could place your faith and full trust in. They brought me in like a family member, but respected who and what I was, a caucasian, Catholic, AMERICAN and respected me for it. And darn it, they knew how to fish and cook! And I do not mean that to be judgemental or pidgeon holing, these were good people!

Islam, or being Muslim is a very complex thing. Other than the, hopefully, former battles in Northern Ireland (Christianity), I don't remember a religion that has such literal and deadly infighting. This sect against that sect. "Infidels" they concieve within their own ranks. Muslim against Muslim. Saudi Arabia against Iran (leadership). Sunni vs. Shia. And so on.

Bottom line... I believe it is irresponsible and corrupt to for lack of a better word, "blaspheme" another religion in this way. You can disagree with their teachings or beliefs. You can disagree with how they practice. You can disagree with their doctrine. Thing is, we have dealt with this several times during the history of this great nation. Remember when Catholics were discriminated against? Or how no one thought Kennedy could be elected President for his religious beliefs? To be clear, there are some very scary aspects of Sharia or "conservative" Islam (again, I wrote Islam not Muslim). But that is not to say that the religion or Muslims as a whole should be villified.

To me, this church is not so different from the wackos from the Westboro Baptist church.

Steelie
Sandy

United States

#15 Jul 31, 2010
Steelie wrote:
Good Day,
Let's see if I can do this... so as not to get in too much trouble with my Conservative bretheren. While many in the US may not like what they see as far as Islam (note I said Islam not Muslim, there is a difference) I do not support this action. Too Farenheit 451 for me. While there is the freedom of speech which may allow a private individual to take such action, I find it dangerous and obscene. Where do we draw the line? When are we going to start burning Hemingway, Kerouac, Twain, the Torah...? Certainly there are artists and writers who have crossed the line of good taste (Andres Serrano) but, again, where do we draw the line? One of the concepts our country was founded upon is the freedom to express one's religion.
Certainly, strict Sharia Law is grotesque and foriegn to many in the US and to our citizens and sense of decency. It is offensive in our understanding of freedom and women's rights. Certainly there are those who support Sharia law as a means by which to protect women, but is it really? Does it really protect women or enslave them? Take the recent possible stoning incident in Iran.
On the other hand, I have had the grand and wonderful opprotunity to have travelled and lived overseas. I have met, befriended and done business with many, and I emphisize, moderate Muslims. These were true salt of the Earth people who you could place your faith and full trust in. They brought me in like a family member, but respected who and what I was, a caucasian, Catholic, AMERICAN and respected me for it. And darn it, they knew how to fish and cook! And I do not mean that to be judgemental or pidgeon holing, these were good people!
Islam, or being Muslim is a very complex thing. Other than the, hopefully, former battles in Northern Ireland (Christianity), I don't remember a religion that has such literal and deadly infighting. This sect against that sect. "Infidels" they concieve within their own ranks. Muslim against Muslim. Saudi Arabia against Iran (leadership). Sunni vs. Shia. And so on.
Bottom line... I believe it is irresponsible and corrupt to for lack of a better word, "blaspheme" another religion in this way. You can disagree with their teachings or beliefs. You can disagree with how they practice. You can disagree with their doctrine. Thing is, we have dealt with this several times during the history of this great nation. Remember when Catholics were discriminated against? Or how no one thought Kennedy could be elected President for his religious beliefs? To be clear, there are some very scary aspects of Sharia or "conservative" Islam (again, I wrote Islam not Muslim). But that is not to say that the religion or Muslims as a whole should be villified.
To me, this church is not so different from the wackos from the Westboro Baptist church.
Steelie
Very true Steelie. However, they have the freedom to do what they are doing the same as Arctic has the freedom to ridicule anybody who believes in God. It does not mean it is the right or correct thing to do, but their freedom is no less than yours or mine. I also agree with your point about Muslim versus Islam. They are not one and the same and anyone who has bothered to take the time to study them knows this. There are always going to be that element that over react to the world around them.
Whoopazz

Alma, MI

#16 Jul 31, 2010
November 2nd is coming.....be afraid libturds, be very afraid.

Since: Dec 08

Ottawa County

#17 Jul 31, 2010
This is not a question of free speech as much as it is a question of what Christ taught.They are not acting in a "Christian-like" way by burning the Quran. Actions speak louder than words. If that is how Christians act, I want no part of Christianity, because they are no better than the radical Muslims. Jesus taught us to love one another. He did not say love one another unless you disagree with someone. I don't condone the acts of radical Muslims, and I don't condone the acts of radical Christians.
Man With A Big Truck

Ashburn, VA

#18 Jul 31, 2010
I'm all for burning the violent Muslims. The peaceful ones pose no threat.
Bone Head

Ada, MI

#19 Jul 31, 2010
Sometimes the stupid, dumb a** things Americans do, "invite" the Muslim people to get revenge on us by flying airplanes into towers, etc, etc. Sometimes it's just plain our own fault. This Quran (sp) burning is undoubtedly going to cause the Muslim people to become angered, and who knows what they might do to us in revenge?

Stupid, stupid, stupid!
John Kerry

West Olive, MI

#20 Aug 1, 2010
Bone Head wrote:
Sometimes the stupid, dumb a** things Americans do, "invite" the Muslim people to get revenge on us by flying airplanes into towers, etc, etc. Sometimes it's just plain our own fault. This Quran (sp) burning is undoubtedly going to cause the Muslim people to become angered, and who knows what they might do to us in revenge?
Stupid, stupid, stupid!
Right! Let see if I understand. Burn a book, get your head cut off!! Yup, makes sense to me.

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