Why inner city schools fail

Why inner city schools fail

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Since: Oct 08

Ann Arbor, MI

#1 Oct 20, 2008
Michigan is ranked number 2 in the nation for the largest difference in test scores between blacks and whites. Grnd Rapids, Flint, Benton Harbor, and Detroit should be considered little more then failures when it comes to tests scores. The numbers speak for themselves. They also have one thing in common, large percentage of poor African Americans make up the student body.
WHY? Why are so many poor blacks failing to get an education?
I believe the problem is with the union. The union has manipulated the schools for the last forty years. Job security became more important then education. One of the biggest problems America faces is the fact the unions have prevented schools from utilizing technology to IMPROVE and REDUCE COST of education. The big yellow school bus is a symbol of job security not progress.
However, when it comes to poor blacks, job security is taken to a whole new level. A black who drops out of school and ends up on the wrong side of the law, provides job security to so many government employee's and their unions.(police, court, social workers, prison guards etc..)
Before you respond, answer one question. What changes has the union made to educate ALL children since the union defeated vouchers 8 years ago using the slogan ALL CHILDREN FRIST?

Since: Oct 08

Ann Arbor, MI

#2 Oct 20, 2008
Come on all you Besty Devos haters, tell me one CHANGE the union has made in the last 8 years to educate ALL children.

Since: Oct 08

Ann Arbor, MI

#3 Oct 20, 2008
Obama talks about CHANGE, the MEA supports him, maybe he knows.
Kat

United States

#4 Oct 20, 2008
I think it all relates back to parent involvement and being responsible for your own actions.

Since: Oct 08

Ann Arbor, MI

#5 Oct 20, 2008
Please, just name one change the union has made to educate ALL CHILDREN in the last 8 years.
Old Rocker

Saint Charles, IL

#6 Oct 20, 2008
Easy!!

Poor parenting.

Since: Jul 08

Grandville, MI

#8 Oct 20, 2008
My guess is that there is a correlation between parental involvement and overall parenting skills and the level of test scores.

If you're a black young adult, have little education yourself, put priorities on bling rather than personal responsibility....what are the chances you are going to inspire your child to set education as a priority?

On the other hand, I do think the teachers union has way too much power. I just don't think you can blame them for low black test scores.

Since: Oct 08

Ann Arbor, MI

#9 Oct 20, 2008
The union failed to educte the parents and the grandparents. It is a cycle, the only way to stop it is to educate the children. If the union can't do it then let someone else give it a shot. Vouchers would have done that but the union stopped it. So how are we to stop the cycle?
Mike

Sidney, MI

#10 Oct 20, 2008
Inner city schools that have mostly black, poor students fail for the following reasons:

1. They come from families with little education.
2. Their families don't care about education.
3. Household rules (i.e. Do your homework! Go to bed by 10! Turn off the TV! Come home right from school! etc) either don't exist or aren't enforced.
4. Dysfunctional aspects - Dad was never part of bringing up the kids. Mom's had drug problems. Grandpa likes to "touch" the kids (when he's out of jail).
5. Gangs are more important and meaningful to the kid than their real family.
6. They don't know anyone who personally succeeded in climbing out of the inner city hell-hole to have a good, productive life(lack of a role model).

I'm sure that there are more good reasons for the lack of success. The easiest "solution" is to point your finger at the public slave/scapegoat teachers. While it may make some people feel like they know the "magic bullet" answer, it actually solves nothing.
When inner city parents start taking a constant, active role in their children's lives, we will see a difference. The sad fact is that many of them are indeed incapable of that. They are many times poorly educated, below poverty level and physically and emotionally trapped in a world of their own construction.
While I can agree that throwing money at the problems won't make them go away, it would be unconsciencable to simply give up on those in need. We need a revolution in this country - we need to make a nationwide effort to help in whatever way we can. We need to start caring about ALL of our citizens - whether they are struggling black children or the forgotten elderly. We need to put aside our differences and embrace the diversity that made this country strong. We also need to support the American worker by looking first before we buy so that our economy can be self-sustaining.
It's easy to become apathetical and say, "What can I do? I'm just one person. Why bother? Things will resolve themselves." It's much harder to make a consistant daily effort to do what you can to help; to donate some time or money or, at the very least, some understanding.

“batshit crazy”

Since: Sep 08

boca do inferno

#11 Oct 20, 2008
Old Rocker wrote:
Easy!!
Poor parenting.
I agree that parenting has a lot to do with it, but I also think some of it has to do with teachers not wanting to work in the 'difficult' districts. I'm not at all speaking generally - a lot of inner city teachers truly want to be where they are and love the work they do. Seeing their kids do well and changing lives - but, not all teachers feel that way and take the jobs at the inner city schools because they just need a job.
I don't know about you, but the people I want teaching my children look at teaching as a blessing, as a life changing opportunity, not just a job. It makes a huge difference.

There needs to be more parental involvement to be able to get rid of some of these teachers who just don't care. I've seen too many over the years and when necessary I make my voice heard. Parents need to try to spend time in their children's classrooms to see what goes on (granted, my kids are young, so I'm not yet an embarrassment to them). Parents and teachers need to have a positive line of communication also - teachers need to know their actions are noticed (good and bad) and that they do make a difference in the lives of their kids.
ArrrrMatey

United States

#12 Oct 20, 2008
Underpaid teachers, lack of adequate resources to deal with the kinds of kids that typically attend inner city schools.

I'm not even certain most teachers are personally/psychologically equipped to teach in inner city schools.

It's a slew of reasons.
ArrrrMatey

United States

#13 Oct 20, 2008
And, yes, the child's environment/parenting makes a world of difference....

Going back to the original comment that teachers/schools are not prepared to handle the kids who come from severaly deprived/disturbed/hopeless homelives.

And child protective services are USELESS. And then there's all that bureaucracy (sp) making everyone's lives more impossible.

Again, a slew of reasons.

“Smells like 1994!”

Since: Jun 08

Stately Wayne Manor

#14 Oct 20, 2008
Poor Republican wrote:
The union failed to educte the parents and the grandparents. It is a cycle, the only way to stop it is to educate the children. If the union can't do it then let someone else give it a shot. Vouchers would have done that but the union stopped it. So how are we to stop the cycle?
This is why I'm a HUGE fan of charter schools. My kids school requires a high degree of parental involvement and I've seen several refugees from GRPS coming there year after year. Gives me hope that if, given alternatives like charter schools and/or vouchers, GRPS will wake up and realize how anti-child the MEA really is and start to truly educate these kids.

“Let it snow!!!!!!”

Since: Apr 08

Shelbyville, MI

#15 Oct 20, 2008
Poor Republican wrote:
Michigan is ranked number 2 in the nation for the largest difference in test scores between blacks and whites. Grnd Rapids, Flint, Benton Harbor, and Detroit should be considered little more then failures when it comes to tests scores. The numbers speak for themselves. They also have one thing in common, large percentage of poor African Americans make up the student body.
WHY? Why are so many poor blacks failing to get an education?
I believe the problem is with the union. The union has manipulated the schools for the last forty years. Job security became more important then education. One of the biggest problems America faces is the fact the unions have prevented schools from utilizing technology to IMPROVE and REDUCE COST of education. The big yellow school bus is a symbol of job security not progress.
However, when it comes to poor blacks, job security is taken to a whole new level. A black who drops out of school and ends up on the wrong side of the law, provides job security to so many government employee's and their unions.(police, court, social workers, prison guards etc..)
Before you respond, answer one question. What changes has the union made to educate ALL children since the union defeated vouchers 8 years ago using the slogan ALL CHILDREN FRIST?
As much as I hate the Unions and think they are an old worthless relict from the past, I can't blame them for the current pathetic test scores from inner cities.
As stated a few times already, it's bad parenting. One parent households are the VAST majority in the inner city.
I just look at how much time both my wife and I spend on helping with homework with our two elementary age kids, I couldn't imaging a single Mom doing it. Then you throw in drug addiction, gang affiliation, etc. and you have a terrible learning environment.

But hey, they sure are good athletes!!
Losers Helper

Grand Rapids, MI

#16 Oct 20, 2008
Old Rocker wrote:
Easy!!
Poor parenting.
Amen to that my kids went to the same schools and received a good education , parents must be involved in their childs education no excuses.

Since: Oct 08

Ann Arbor, MI

#17 Oct 20, 2008
What are you people talking about? So a child from a poor sigle parent home can not be educated. Where did these single uneducated black mothers come from, class of '02, class of '92, class of '82, class of '72.
The way to Freedom

Reed City, MI

#18 Oct 20, 2008
Poor Republican wrote:
Come on all you Besty Devos haters, tell me one CHANGE the union has made in the last 8 years to educate ALL children.
I thought then when she said that the workers in Michigan make too much money, I didn't want anything to do with her.
Jennie

United States

#19 Oct 20, 2008
Poor Republican wrote:
What are you people talking about? So a child from a poor sigle parent home can not be educated. Where did these single uneducated black mothers come from, class of '02, class of '92, class of '82, class of '72.
They can be educated, and educated well and what does the color of your skin have to do with it?. I am a single mother of a 16 year old daughter whith a 4.0 at City and in AP classes and attending college on the side. stereotypes will get you nowhere..

Since: Jul 08

Zeeland, MI

#20 Oct 21, 2008
Kat wrote:
I think it all relates back to parent involvement and being responsible for your own actions.
I will wager that if the education money were given to the parents in the form of a voucher there would be change in the blink of an eye. The parents need that control to really become involved in their children's education. The MEA does not want change. I know. I was an MEA representative.

Since: Jul 08

Zeeland, MI

#21 Oct 21, 2008
Mike wrote:
Inner city schools that have mostly black, poor students fail for the following reasons:
If those same parents were given control of the education money you would discover they really do care but right now they are helpless. By giving them a voucher, you put them in the driver's seat. Just because you are poor doesn't mean you don't care.

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