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Chip

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Feb 11, 2013
 
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This will disprove the "free market" labor myth:
"The "free market for labor" myth
The "free market for labor" myth is that unions and a minimum wage are interference in the free market. While this is superficially true, these are actually responses to the already prior and overriding interference in the economy by the Federal Reserve. The interference? Federal Reserve policy rigs demand to assure there are always more people who want jobs than there are jobs."
"Jobs and unemployment
Regions are virtually forced to compete because U.S. government policy only allows so many jobs to be created in the United States.
In its drive to control inflation, the Federal Reserve Board keys monetary policy and interest rates to a NAIRU (Non-Accelerating Inflation Rate of Unemployment), which the Fed generally believes is on the order of 5 or 6%."
http://www.exponentialimprovement.com/cms/lab...
Which goes back to what I have said earlier about there is a predetermined optimal unemployment rate.
I didn't know myths were widely accepted by every economist. Mind telling me why someone has to use a bunch of unrelated factors to try and explain a theory, it's called grasping at straws. It's kind of like me saying its hot inside my house due to global warming, and ignoring that the heat is turned up to high and it's 20 degrees outside. Though I understand you are too stupid to comprehend this.
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Feb 11, 2013
 
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I didn't know myths were widely accepted by every economist. Mind telling me why someone has to use a bunch of unrelated factors to try and explain a theory, it's called grasping at straws. It's kind of like me saying its hot inside my house due to global warming, and ignoring that the heat is turned up to high and it's 20 degrees outside. Though I understand you are too stupid to comprehend this.
So seeing as you are the "educated one" you wouldn't mind explaining what the "bunch of unrelated factors to try and explain a theory" are. Or did you only read the excerpts I posted and not read the entirety at the link.
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Feb 11, 2013
 
Seeing as how you have the CPA and an MBA with an emphasis in Economics Chip why don't you get in contact with Dr. Powell and inform him how wrong he is and straighten him out. The get back with me with his responses.
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Feb 11, 2013
 
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Well we still have the highest corporate tax rates so how would that have repatriated any jobs?
I agree on tax credits, that's the reason I hated things like Solyndra and all the other Obama failures from his tax credits on steroids.
I have a CPA and an MBA with an emphasis in Economics, so which one of us has an aversion to education? I just can spot a line of crap that is being spoon fed to morons like you from a mile away.
Maybe you can come visit and see Tammy Baldwin, and you can discuss all kinds of stupid ideals not based in any facts.
From a mile away? Perhaps you need glasses, or the ones you have checked.

I agree that the Solyndra deal was wrong from the outset. But to hang the hat on Obama for being the only one to have done such a blunder is a bias. I go back to the TARP deal for just one. Unfortunately or fortunately the latter president gets stuck with the policies and actions of the prior. Nothing new. And there would have been a bigger calamity if Obama would have said well that's over with. Not to mention the glass shattering scream that would have come from the Republicans for stopping the bailouts of their benefactors.
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So seeing as you are the "educated one" you wouldn't mind explaining what the "bunch of unrelated factors to try and explain a theory" are. Or did you only read the excerpts I posted and not read the entirety at the link.
No Problem:

the Federal Reserve Board keys monetary policy and interest rates to a NAIRU (Non-Accelerating Inflation Rate of Unemployment), which the Fed generally believes is on the order of 5 or 6%."

And just what does this have to do directly with Unions affecting unemployment?

And no I don't bother reading everything you link, I only need to identify the author and read about 1/4 to spot the lies and assume the remaining 3/4 is as worthless as the rest.
Chip

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From a mile away? Perhaps you need glasses, or the ones you have checked.
I agree that the Solyndra deal was wrong from the outset. But to hang the hat on Obama for being the only one to have done such a blunder is a bias. I go back to the TARP deal for just one. Unfortunately or fortunately the latter president gets stuck with the policies and actions of the prior. Nothing new. And there would have been a bigger calamity if Obama would have said well that's over with. Not to mention the glass shattering scream that would have come from the Republicans for stopping the bailouts of their benefactors.
Solyndra was all Obama, along with others. And no I don't think Obama was the first and only one, however with the amount of debt he has created it's pretty easy to point a finger at the biggest part of the problem.
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Feb 12, 2013
 
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Goverment at Work
Chip

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Feb 12, 2013
 
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Seeing as how you have the CPA and an MBA with an emphasis in Economics Chip why don't you get in contact with Dr. Powell and inform him how wrong he is and straighten him out. The get back with me with his responses.
I did, he responded and laughed, can you believe people pay me to write articles to suit their argument no matter how wrong the facts are.
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Well we still have the highest corporate tax rates so how would that have repatriated any jobs?
OK big mouth show us how 'we' have the highest corporate tax rates. show us how clever you are. dazzle us with your brilliance.
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No Problem:
the Federal Reserve Board keys monetary policy and interest rates to a NAIRU (Non-Accelerating Inflation Rate of Unemployment), which the Fed generally believes is on the order of 5 or 6%."
And just what does this have to do directly with Unions affecting unemployment?
And no I don't bother reading everything you link, I only need to identify the author and read about 1/4 to spot the lies and assume the remaining 3/4 is as worthless as the rest.
I can see you got your BS from the same place your CPA and MBA.
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Feb 12, 2013
 
Oh and dunder head; I've been saying unions have had NO affect on unemployment. That's your argument that they have caused it.
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I did, he responded and laughed, can you believe people pay me to write articles to suit their argument no matter how wrong the facts are.
And I'm sure he gets paid more than the $.12 for every negative post you get from the RNC.
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So Chip, do explain how facts can be wrong...with your higher education and all.
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Oh and dunder head; I've been saying unions have had NO affect on unemployment. That's your argument that they have caused it.
Like I said, economist disagree with you as well as common sense.
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Feb 12, 2013
 
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So Chip, do explain how facts can be wrong...with your higher education and all.
Just said the facts presented are irrelevant to the argument posed. It's kind of like me saying the sun will set this evening and therefore my lights will turn on. However the fact remains that my lights will not turn on until I turn them on.
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Here's where you right-wingers always expose your lack of understanding. What kind of an idiot would call Thomas Paine a Marxist. Paine was born 1737 died 1809. Karl Marx born 1818 died 1883.
Only in your alternate universe could you call Paine a Marxist or even compare him to Marx. You don't get that Paine died before Marx was even born?
Which also goes to prove your icon Reagan wasn't much of a thinker much less knew much about history. Just willing to say whatever would entice the minions.
And for Reagan to state in his infinite wisdom said "We have received this progressive tax direct from Karl Marx, who designed it as the prime essential of a socialist state."
"There can be no moral justification of the progressive tax," he said.
Oh really. It was Thomas Paine that promoted the ideology of a new vision of the republican state as a promoter of the social welfare, advocating such policies as progressive taxation, retirement benefits, and public employment. Again before Karl Marx was even conceived. How how can ANY informed person possibly believe Paine could even compared to Marx. Remember the time line?
So how is it "conservatives" can be believing Paine would have been horrified by the size of our government, the level of spending and of taxation.
I don't think he (Paine) would be all that pleased with our governmental situation but not in the way conservatives would like to believe he wouldn't. I would think Paine would be "horrified" with the extent the government has been moved away from benefiting the People and concentrated on benefiting and promoting the welfare of the monied few.
Again I ask, who were you talking to in this post. As far as I can tell nobody mentioned Paine or Marx? So what is it? You talking to the voices in your head or what?
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Feb 12, 2013
 
Still waiting big mouth. Lets see some facts to support your claim that 'we' have the highest corporates tax rates.

Here's your big chance to show us how clever you are.
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Just said the facts presented are irrelevant to the argument posed. It's kind of like me saying the sun will set this evening and therefore my lights will turn on. However the fact remains that my lights will not turn on until I turn them on.
No! You said "I did, he responded and laughed, can you believe people pay me to write articles to suit their argument no matter how wrong the facts are."
You said he told you the facts are wrong.
You can't even get it right when you make it up.
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Again I ask, who were you talking to in this post. As far as I can tell nobody mentioned Paine or Marx? So what is it? You talking to the voices in your head or what?
FLBeaver did when he said "Regarding Paine, I know who he is and in some ways Im surprised you quote him. Whether one considers him a Marxist or as an anarchist,"
Right along with you he comes with all these disjointed explanations that sound good to the woefully uninformed but.. Even, as I pointed out Reagan saying in a speech "We have received this progressive tax direct from Karl Marx, who designed it as the prime essential of a socialist state."
The writings of Thomas Paine were EVERY influential in the fundamentals of the founding of this country in the minds of the founding fathers. So it only follows that conservatives believe the founding of this country was based on socialism, and Marxism, and don't like it to this day.

It would be impossible for Paine to (especially) be or even called a Marxist for the reasons I have explained. So that he even considers Paine a (possible) Marxist...and for Reagan to say the progressive tax came from Karl Marx only goes to prove the intellectual level of conservatives. Intellect and education are not synonymous. But it would seem being also uninformed would get in the way.
Chip

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Feb 12, 2013
 
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Still waiting big mouth. Lets see some facts to support your claim that 'we' have the highest corporates tax rates.
Here's your big chance to show us how clever you are.
Wow, that was difficult to find.

The United States holds the dubious distinction of having the developed world's highest corporate tax rate after Japan's dropped to 38.01 percent, setting the stage for much political posturing but probably little tax reform.

Japan and the United States have been tied for the top combined, statutory corporate rate, with levies of 39.5 percent and 39.2 percent, respectively. These rates include central government, regional and local taxes.

Japan's reduction on Sunday, prompted by years of pressure from Japanese politicians hoping to spur economic growth, gave that country the world's second-highest rate.

http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/US-Corpor...

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