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To say I don't believe in the American dream is in your mind alone.
It's proven useless for me to explain why you are incorrect in believing you aren't being limited. At least being limited from where you don't want to believe it's coming from. Though I don't believe this will do any good;
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2012/1...
I sincerely hope you donít expect me to believe anything written by a liberal from Europe who wrote a book idolizing the policies of Jimmy Carter. Only a complete moron with no common sense would believe this book. Which explains precisely why you think itís the gospel.
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Here's where you right-wingers always expose your lack of understanding. What kind of an idiot would call Thomas Paine a Marxist. Paine was born 1737 died 1809. Karl Marx born 1818 died 1883.

Only in your alternate universe could you call Paine a Marxist or even compare him to Marx. You don't get that Paine died before Marx was even born?

Which also goes to prove your icon Reagan wasn't much of a thinker much less knew much about history. Just willing to say whatever would entice the minions.

And for Reagan to state in his infinite wisdom said "We have received this progressive tax direct from Karl Marx, who designed it as the prime essential of a socialist state."

"There can be no moral justification of the progressive tax," he said.

Oh really. It was Thomas Paine that promoted the ideology of a new vision of the republican state as a promoter of the social welfare, advocating such policies as progressive taxation, retirement benefits, and public employment. Again before Karl Marx was even conceived. How how can ANY informed person possibly believe Paine could even compared to Marx. Remember the time line?

So how is it "conservatives" can be believing Paine would have been horrified by the size of our government, the level of spending and of taxation.

I don't think he (Paine) would be all that pleased with our governmental situation but not in the way conservatives would like to believe he wouldn't. I would think Paine would be "horrified" with the extent the government has been moved away from benefiting the People and concentrated on benefiting and promoting the welfare of the monied few.
Chip

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Here's where you right-wingers always expose your lack of understanding. What kind of an idiot would call Thomas Paine a Marxist. Paine was born 1737 died 1809. Karl Marx born 1818 died 1883.
Only in your alternate universe could you call Paine a Marxist or even compare him to Marx. You don't get that Paine died before Marx was even born?
Which also goes to prove your icon Reagan wasn't much of a thinker much less knew much about history. Just willing to say whatever would entice the minions.
And for Reagan to state in his infinite wisdom said "We have received this progressive tax direct from Karl Marx, who designed it as the prime essential of a socialist state."
"There can be no moral justification of the progressive tax," he said.
Oh really. It was Thomas Paine that promoted the ideology of a new vision of the republican state as a promoter of the social welfare, advocating such policies as progressive taxation, retirement benefits, and public employment. Again before Karl Marx was even conceived. How how can ANY informed person possibly believe Paine could even compared to Marx. Remember the time line?
So how is it "conservatives" can be believing Paine would have been horrified by the size of our government, the level of spending and of taxation.
I don't think he (Paine) would be all that pleased with our governmental situation but not in the way conservatives would like to believe he wouldn't. I would think Paine would be "horrified" with the extent the government has been moved away from benefiting the People and concentrated on benefiting and promoting the welfare of the monied few.
Oops, looks like you are arguing with the voices in your head again.
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Chip wrote:
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I sincerely hope you donít expect me to believe anything written by a liberal from Europe who wrote a book idolizing the policies of Jimmy Carter. Only a complete moron with no common sense would believe this book. Which explains precisely why you think itís the gospel.
Which only goes to shed light on your aversion to the truly educated and informed. Preferring to adhere to the opinions of sociopaths.
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Oops, looks like you are arguing with the voices in your head again.
you can only wish.
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I believe it would be more stupid than stubborn. That SOB has been on here day and night for years trying to convince anyone that would listen to him. He has even went as far as to threaten us that he would leave if nobody would listen to him. God, he needs to get a life.
And you have been on here for how long and with how many different "identities".... Multiple personality disorder. Along with identity disorder as you can't make up your mind if you're male or female by the differing pseudonyms you use to hide behind.
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Chip wrote:
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Sorry, I do believe in the American Dream and that is precisely why I hate bitter old people like you who arenít willing to work hard and sacrifice and would rather just steal it from someone else. You want to cry about the "Good Jobs" that have left when its union morons like yourself that drove those jobs away. Youíre just too stubborn or stupid to accept responsibility for your actions.
Didn't say you didn't. Just am saying you believe in an american dream different from what the term when coined meant it to be.

Ya, unions drove the jobs away. Even when there were so many like you willing to work for Asian level wages. Just keep believing what you need to.
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Because you and Chip do not believe I believe in the American Dream does not mean I don't. It's in your, and probably others, minds alone. Not mine.
But then I have the concept of what the "American Dream" actually meant at the time it coined. You don't. It did not mean the opportunity to become among the strata that have the means and power to restrict others of it.
For me to try and give sociopaths instruction in social responsibility that goes along with with the "American Dream" is a proven futility. As you would only again re-define it as socialism.
You probably don't realize it, but you do now. "Chip" and "Linda" are the same person. In fact Chip/Linda has multiple other names, IPs, ISPs names, even multiple personalities. Chip/Linda has serious problems. The list goes way back.
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You probably don't realize it, but you do now. "Chip" and "Linda" are the same person. In fact Chip/Linda has multiple other names, IPs, ISPs names, even multiple personalities. Chip/Linda has serious problems. The list goes way back.
Doesn't surprise me in the least.

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pipedream wrote:
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You probably don't realize it, but you do now. "Chip" and "Linda" are the same person. In fact Chip/Linda has multiple other names, IPs, ISPs names, even multiple personalities. Chip/Linda has serious problems. The list goes way back.
Like, Tootsie or like a tranny?
Chip

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you can only wish.
Then Please explain what or whom you were addressing in your post!
Chip

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pipedream wrote:
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You probably don't realize it, but you do now. "Chip" and "Linda" are the same person. In fact Chip/Linda has multiple other names, IPs, ISPs names, even multiple personalities. Chip/Linda has serious problems. The list goes way back.
That is not true, however I will leave it up to a liberal to post things that arenít true and lack any foundation.
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Didn't say you didn't. Just am saying you believe in an american dream different from what the term when coined meant it to be.
Ya, unions drove the jobs away. Even when there were so many like you willing to work for Asian level wages. Just keep believing what you need to.
Sure, paying twice what others were paying to manufacture in the US and having work rules that insure they barely have to do anything, and benefits way beyond what anyone else was paying had nothing to do with it.
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Doesn't surprise me in the least.
Sure go blue forever, St Stephen, SIB, Jason, and pipe dream I guess I will just announce that you are all one person.

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Sure go blue forever, St Stephen, SIB, Jason, and pipe dream I guess I will just announce that you are all one person.
You need to add corporate greed to that equation....and that we are allowing imports, and not regarding product or safety standards, as tight as we should.....BTW, too many realize i am actually in Florida, in order to be the others....whatever....
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Sure, paying twice what others were paying to manufacture in the US and having work rules that insure they barely have to do anything, and benefits way beyond what anyone else was paying had nothing to do with it.
I am not going to waste my time trying to explain something you'll refuse to acknowledge. So I'll let a Ph.D. MBA do it.
Of course you won't believe that either.
"Summary:

Companies can defer paying taxes on income from foreign subsidiaries ... indefinitely.
Tax loopholes, such as moving headquarters to a tax haven.
Allowing R&D and other investment tax credits for companies that move manufacturing off shore ... the U.S. doesn't fully benefit.
Corporations engage in flawed transfer pricing schemes to avoid U.S. taxes, e.g., they sell components to foreign subsidiary with very low profit markup, and buy back product after manufacture with a very high foreign profit markup.
Not including labor & environmental standards in trade pacts is a subsidy. The costs of environmental degradation and injuries to workers are externalized onto the public at large. Without standards, democracy is undermined: individuals don't value and "purchase" clean environment & workplace safety, governments do; if a government isn't a democracy, it doesn't represent the interests of its citizens.
Corporations are allowed to write-off the cost of shutting down a factory in the U.S. when it transfers the work to a factory in a foreign country.
Corporations are allowed to write-off the cost of bringing new foreign employees to the U.S. and requiring its U.S. employees, as their last duties before being fired, to train the foreign employees to do their jobs.
Excessively high real interest rates set by the Federal Reserve Board in the 1980s encouraged manufacturing to go offshore, because investing in real assets has yielded lower returns than investing in financial assets. This led to the leveraged buyouts of the 80s and the weakening of the manufacturing sector.

Businesses avoid taxes whenever they can and they influence legislation to avoid taxes whenever they can. They leave it to the public at large (especially to those who work for a wage, rather than those who reap dividends and capital gains) to pay for the systems and services that allow businesses to make their returns.

And also we compete with other countries, like those in Europe, that provide universal government health insurance which means companies in those countries do not bear that major cost.
http://www.exponentialimprovement.com/cms/off...

It was not unions that did it. It was the unbridled pursuit of profit that did it.

It's just easier for you to believe the lies that align with your ideology.
Chip

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I am not going to waste my time trying to explain something you'll refuse to acknowledge. So I'll let a Ph.D. MBA do it.
Of course you won't believe that either.
"Summary:
Companies can defer paying taxes on income from foreign subsidiaries ... indefinitely.
Tax loopholes, such as moving headquarters to a tax haven.
Allowing R&D and other investment tax credits for companies that move manufacturing off shore ... the U.S. doesn't fully benefit.
Corporations engage in flawed transfer pricing schemes to avoid U.S. taxes, e.g., they sell components to foreign subsidiary with very low profit markup, and buy back product after manufacture with a very high foreign profit markup.
Not including labor & environmental standards in trade pacts is a subsidy. The costs of environmental degradation and injuries to workers are externalized onto the public at large. Without standards, democracy is undermined: individuals don't value and "purchase" clean environment & workplace safety, governments do; if a government isn't a democracy, it doesn't represent the interests of its citizens.
Corporations are allowed to write-off the cost of shutting down a factory in the U.S. when it transfers the work to a factory in a foreign country.
Corporations are allowed to write-off the cost of bringing new foreign employees to the U.S. and requiring its U.S. employees, as their last duties before being fired, to train the foreign employees to do their jobs.
Excessively high real interest rates set by the Federal Reserve Board in the 1980s encouraged manufacturing to go offshore, because investing in real assets has yielded lower returns than investing in financial assets. This led to the leveraged buyouts of the 80s and the weakening of the manufacturing sector.
Businesses avoid taxes whenever they can and they influence legislation to avoid taxes whenever they can. They leave it to the public at large (especially to those who work for a wage, rather than those who reap dividends and capital gains) to pay for the systems and services that allow businesses to make their returns.
And also we compete with other countries, like those in Europe, that provide universal government health insurance which means companies in those countries do not bear that major cost.
http://www.exponentialimprovement.com/cms/off...
It was not unions that did it. It was the unbridled pursuit of profit that did it.
It's just easier for you to believe the lies that align with your ideology.
Again, your an idiot if you thing union greed had nothing to do with it.

Also, if you agree with this article then we can only assume you support lowering taxes on corporations to take away the incentive for them to move business overseas to avoid paying one of the highest taxes in the world and being beaten over the head by competitors.
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Again, your an idiot if you thing union greed had nothing to do with it.
Also, if you agree with this article then we can only assume you support lowering taxes on corporations to take away the incentive for them to move business overseas to avoid paying one of the highest taxes in the world and being beaten over the head by competitors.
Your the idiot if that's all you got out of that and seen how many jobs have been created or even repatriated since the last rounds of tax cuts.

Though we may have the highest top tax rates we also have the most abundant and lucrative tax breaks and write offs of any other country. Their tax rates are the tax rates while ours are offset by tax rates after deductions, exemptions and credits.

Well we have established you have an aversion to education and knowledgeable information.

Seeing as you're right there go see daddy Scott, sit on his knee and say, daddy Scott tell me again how unions have destroyed our country and if we get rid of all the taxes on business we will have so many jobs we can't count them all. And you're not that far away that you can't go ask uncle Paul the same thing the next time he's in Janesville.
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This will disprove the "free market" labor myth:

"The "free market for labor" myth

The "free market for labor" myth is that unions and a minimum wage are interference in the free market. While this is superficially true, these are actually responses to the already prior and overriding interference in the economy by the Federal Reserve. The interference? Federal Reserve policy rigs demand to assure there are always more people who want jobs than there are jobs."

"Jobs and unemployment

Regions are virtually forced to compete because U.S. government policy only allows so many jobs to be created in the United States.

In its drive to control inflation, the Federal Reserve Board keys monetary policy and interest rates to a NAIRU (Non-Accelerating Inflation Rate of Unemployment), which the Fed generally believes is on the order of 5 or 6%."
http://www.exponentialimprovement.com/cms/lab...
Which goes back to what I have said earlier about there is a predetermined optimal unemployment rate.
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Your the idiot if that's all you got out of that and seen how many jobs have been created or even repatriated since the last rounds of tax cuts.
Though we may have the highest top tax rates we also have the most abundant and lucrative tax breaks and write offs of any other country. Their tax rates are the tax rates while ours are offset by tax rates after deductions, exemptions and credits.
Well we have established you have an aversion to education and knowledgeable information.
Seeing as you're right there go see daddy Scott, sit on his knee and say, daddy Scott tell me again how unions have destroyed our country and if we get rid of all the taxes on business we will have so many jobs we can't count them all. And you're not that far away that you can't go ask uncle Paul the same thing the next time he's in Janesville.
Well we still have the highest corporate tax rates so how would that have repatriated any jobs?

I agree on tax credits, that's the reason I hated things like Solyndra and all the other Obama failures from his tax credits on steroids.

I have a CPA and an MBA with an emphasis in Economics, so which one of us has an aversion to education? I just can spot a line of crap that is being spoon fed to morons like you from a mile away.

Maybe you can come visit and see Tammy Baldwin, and you can discuss all kinds of stupid ideals not based in any facts.

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