pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#237 Feb 24, 2013
What an a&&hole you are hot sauce guy.
Really

Kalamazoo, MI

#238 Feb 24, 2013
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>But, but, but, I thought you liked high taxes, fees, and regulations..... You do want "skin in the game" don't you? I like Snyder because he is bringing everyone along to fix this and not just the productive few......
They only like high taxes, fees and regulations if it only affects anyone but them Batch.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#239 Feb 24, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Good! Sounds fair to me. You gave Obama a second term so he could try to complete is reinvention. It's only fair to allow Rick Snyder the same opportunity. Glad you feel that way.
So now being fair is okay with you....
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#240 Feb 24, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>They only like high taxes, fees and regulations if it only affects anyone but them Batch.
So you and Batch show where we have said we like high taxes and fees. You've made the accusation now prove it.

If you can't prove where it's been said precisely we like high taxes and fess then it only goes to prove your propensity to make things up to suit your purposes of deception.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#241 Feb 24, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
And Snyder and his cronies' justification for their "reinventing Michigan" scheme was that GOP policies and giveaways to business would lead to a more friendly place for business and jobs would result. So far the only jobs I'm aware of are auto industry jobs which were the result of government loans.
Anyone who is still believing Snyder's giveaways to his and corporate business cronies and takeaways from everyone else probably ought to start asking for some answers.
And lets not forget Synder's not done "reinventing Michigan". He's coming after more tax dollars and other revenue from increased fees.
Only the chronically stupid refuse to see it when they've given business the $1.6billion in tax cuts and increased the taxes and fees $1.4billion on everyone else that can't take those increases as deductions like business can take deductions not available to the citizenry. And at the same time taking tax deductions away from the citizenry.

And anyone that believes the number of jobs that will be "created" by this cluster juck will make up for the tax cuts to business by increased income taxes is smoken crack.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#242 Feb 24, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>The "tax breaks" are not totally true either. Can't go into here, but know that the state "tax breaks" is actually paying more taxes, only paying them to the "new jobs tax". Yup, I see it every month.
Have you even read the NJTP? I'm willing to bet not. Course I'd never hear the truth about if you haven't. Have you had this fascination with the boogy-man all your life?
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#243 Feb 24, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>
So you and Batch show where we have said we like high taxes and fees. You've made the accusation now prove it.
If you can't prove where it's been said precisely we like high taxes and fess then it only goes to prove your propensity to make things up to suit your purposes of deception.
They're both crazy, incapable of reason, logic, critical thinking, or common sense. Teabagger mentality.
Sassy

Grand Rapids, MI

#244 Feb 24, 2013
Did you forget that little bit of information that it is also an Expense to the corporation so it gets written off.
Really wrote:
One more point, every employer that pays for employee health insurance in this state is paying more taxes to the state. It's called, "Michigan State Claims Tax". THAT tax was instituted by Mrs. Granholm.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#245 Feb 24, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>
Only the chronically stupid refuse to see it when they've given business the $1.6billion in tax cuts and increased the taxes and fees $1.4billion on everyone else that can't take those increases as deductions like business can take deductions not available to the citizenry. And at the same time taking tax deductions away from the citizenry.
And anyone that believes the number of jobs that will be "created" by this cluster juck will make up for the tax cuts to business by increased income taxes is smoken crack.
Not only did Snyder and his cronies raise taxes on working amilies, middle class and retirees, take away millions from public education, but he took away tax deductions and credits thereby raising their tax liabilities even more. then there's people like Really and Hot Sauce boy who think that's just great.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#246 Feb 24, 2013
What is the Michigan New Jobs Training Program?

Designed as an economic development tool, the Michigan New Jobs Training Program allows community colleges to provide free training for employers that are creating new jobs and/or expanding operations in Michigan. The training for the newly hired workers is paid by capturing the state income tax associated with the new employees' wages.

Explain your comment Really in light of the above definition of NJTP.

Since: Feb 10

Grand Rapids, MI

#247 Feb 24, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
And Snyder and his cronies' justification for their "reinventing Michigan" scheme was that GOP policies and giveaways to business would lead to a more friendly place for business and jobs would result. So far the only jobs I'm aware of are auto industry jobs which were the result of government loans.
Anyone who is still believing Snyder's giveaways to his and corporate business cronies and takeaways from everyone else probably ought to start asking for some answers.
And lets not forget Synder's not done "reinventing Michigan". He's coming after more tax dollars and other revenue from increased fees.
So you are advocating....higher taxes on business and more regulations and costs would lead to a more friendly place for business and jobs? Care to explain that line of thinking?

Exactly how would you go about convincing a business to relocate to Michigan or convince an entrepreneur to locate their business in MI rather than TX. Or get even more local. How would higher business taxes convince a local business in Flint to take on a loan and risk expanding in Flint?
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#248 Feb 24, 2013
FLBeaver wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are advocating....higher taxes on business and more regulations and costs would lead to a more friendly place for business and jobs? Care to explain that line of thinking?
Exactly how would you go about convincing a business to relocate to Michigan or convince an entrepreneur to locate their business in MI rather than TX. Or get even more local. How would higher business taxes convince a local business in Flint to take on a loan and risk expanding in Flint?
No, that isn't was what I was advocating. And no I'm not going to even try to explain to you what my point was because I can see you're also too dense to see light.

Since: Feb 10

Grand Rapids, MI

#249 Feb 24, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>No, that isn't was what I was advocating. And no I'm not going to even try to explain to you what my point was because I can see you're also too dense to see light.
That's what I figured. Typical liberal - your argument only makes sense inside your head but it is so beyond the rest of us it can't be put down in writing.

No problem. I figured you couldn't answer my questions. As with most liberals, reality is a bitch.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#250 Feb 24, 2013
FLBeaver wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are advocating....higher taxes on business and more regulations and costs would lead to a more friendly place for business and jobs? Care to explain that line of thinking?
Exactly how would you go about convincing a business to relocate to Michigan or convince an entrepreneur to locate their business in MI rather than TX. Or get even more local. How would higher business taxes convince a local business in Flint to take on a loan and risk expanding in Flint?
Conversely you have no problem with relieving the tax burden on businesses while tranfering that burden of the budget shortfall onto those who don't have the jobs and/or the underemployed. We get it. How about you explaining that line of thinking. And the line of thinking of how these businesses have been over taxed.

As it is Florida has a corporate tax rate of 5.5%.
Michigan 6% corporate income tax on C corporations and taxpayers taxed as corporations federally. One credit, the small business alternative credit, which offers an alternate tax rate of 1.8% of adjusted business income. Taxpayers with less than $350,000 in allocated or apportioned gross receipts and/or less than or equal to $100 in annual liability are not required to file or pay the CIT.
So MI is only 0.5% lower than your beloved Florida. Which I am willing to assume you are so dear to because they don't charge YOU and income tax. So just who do you think should be moving out of MI? Clue: not the businesses. It's the Republican Governor and Republican legislature that is raping the people of MI.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#251 Feb 24, 2013
FLBeaver wrote:
<quoted text>
That's what I figured. Typical liberal - your argument only makes sense inside your head but it is so beyond the rest of us it can't be put down in writing.
No problem. I figured you couldn't answer my questions. As with most liberals, reality is a bitch.
Why should anyone give you any useful information just so you can check with your political cyber-shill handlers trying to find a way to argue it with their talking point rhetoric.

Since: Feb 10

Grand Rapids, MI

#252 Feb 24, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>
Conversely you have no problem with relieving the tax burden on businesses while tranfering that burden of the budget shortfall onto those who don't have the jobs and/or the underemployed. We get it. How about you explaining that line of thinking. And the line of thinking of how these businesses have been over taxed.
As it is Florida has a corporate tax rate of 5.5%.
Michigan 6% corporate income tax on C corporations and taxpayers taxed as corporations federally. One credit, the small business alternative credit, which offers an alternate tax rate of 1.8% of adjusted business income. Taxpayers with less than $350,000 in allocated or apportioned gross receipts and/or less than or equal to $100 in annual liability are not required to file or pay the CIT.
So MI is only 0.5% lower than your beloved Florida. Which I am willing to assume you are so dear to because they don't charge YOU and income tax. So just who do you think should be moving out of MI? Clue: not the businesses. It's the Republican Governor and Republican legislature that is raping the people of MI.
Actually I advocate reducing the taxes on both business and individuals by paying only for those things that work and are necessary, not just wanted. I also advocate for personal responsibility. Why should I pay health care costs for someone who smokes for 50 years and gets cancer and racks up millions in Health Care costs? Or someone who weighs 400 pounds and smokes? No one minds paying for the baby that get a disease through no fault of it's own, but raising personal taxes to pay for the guy who does 12oz Bud curls and can't even get up to change the channel? Spending per student is way up versus 1970 but the students are dumber. We pay about $325,000 per year to run 1 4th grade classroom. The teacher gets about $50K of that. The rest is wasted. SS was designed so that only 1 in 4 actually collected it. Go back to FDR's original formula and teach people how to invest. If you put $160 away each month, by the time you were 65 you would have a million dollars. Will SS give you a check for a million when you turn 65?

Essentially I believe that every program should have to prove itself or be eliminated, that individuals have the primary responsibility to take care of themselves and their family members, that taxes should be used for things that benefit every person, not just the wealthy, unions, companies, the poor, the lazy or the stupid. Other than a few people, everyone from Bill Gates to someone in prison is there because of the choices they made and it is not government's responsibility to make up for people's poor choices or try to manipulate and ignore human behavior.

As far as business taxes, you aren't even close. Michigan ranks 49th (as of 2012) in Corporate taxes. FL is 12th. CA is 48th and that is a God-awful place to run a business. Being worse than CA is really bad.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/2012-state-b...

The only place where MI beats FL is on sales tax.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#253 Feb 24, 2013
FLBeaver wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually I advocate reducing the taxes on both business and individuals by paying only for those things that work and are necessary, not just wanted. I also advocate for personal responsibility. Why should I pay health care costs for someone who smokes for 50 years and gets cancer and racks up millions in Health Care costs? Or someone who weighs 400 pounds and smokes? No one minds paying for the baby that get a disease through no fault of it's own, but raising personal taxes to pay for the guy who does 12oz Bud curls and can't even get up to change the channel? Spending per student is way up versus 1970 but the students are dumber. We pay about $325,000 per year to run 1 4th grade classroom. The teacher gets about $50K of that. The rest is wasted. SS was designed so that only 1 in 4 actually collected it. Go back to FDR's original formula and teach people how to invest. If you put $160 away each month, by the time you were 65 you would have a million dollars. Will SS give you a check for a million when you turn 65?
Essentially I believe that every program should have to prove itself or be eliminated, that individuals have the primary responsibility to take care of themselves and their family members, that taxes should be used for things that benefit every person, not just the wealthy, unions, companies, the poor, the lazy or the stupid. Other than a few people, everyone from Bill Gates to someone in prison is there because of the choices they made and it is not government's responsibility to make up for people's poor choices or try to manipulate and ignore human behavior.
As far as business taxes, you aren't even close. Michigan ranks 49th (as of 2012) in Corporate taxes. FL is 12th. CA is 48th and that is a God-awful place to run a business. Being worse than CA is really bad.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/2012-state-b...
The only place where MI beats FL is on sales tax.
Screw the tax foundation. I got it directly off the Florida government site.[You] get a hold of them and tell em their wrong.

And hell no. You have NEVER advocated nor shown ANY sign of advocating lowering taxes for both business and individuals. Even though I have given you several opportunities to pick up on it.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#254 Feb 24, 2013
Understand I am still saying screw the tax foundation.

According to money-zine; as of the 2012 data among the most overall tax friendly states Florida ranks 22 with Michigan 14.

For business; Florida ranks better than Michigan at 12 to 5. Again though the (corporate) tax rates are only 0.5% apart.
http://www.money-zine.com/Financial-Planning/...

Far different from your citing the tax foundation at Michigan 49th.

Which according to the 2013 ranking by the tax foundation Florida is ranked 5 with a score of 6.88 while Michigan is ranked 12 with a score of 5.86 in business tax.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/2013-state-b...

So where you are coming up with Michigan at 49th is bizarre.

Yet MN is ranked 45 and we don't see businesses running away from there.
Really

Kalamazoo, MI

#255 Feb 25, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you even read the NJTP? I'm willing to bet not. Course I'd never hear the truth about if you haven't. Have you had this fascination with the boogy-man all your life?
Have you? As for the "boogy-man", if you haven't seen the payments that have been made, I suggest you put a sock in it. I see them each and every month...."new jobs tax" is just that....a tax paid to the local community colleges for "job training". Whatever, SIB. You refuse, for whatever reason, to admit that the taxes on business are the highest in the world. THAT has been referenced many, many times. Since you refuse to believe what you read, I suggest you leave it alone.
Really

Kalamazoo, MI

#256 Feb 25, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>
So now being fair is okay with you....
At least I defined fair for me. You should try it some time. Of course, that would imply honesty...something you have a hard time with unless you are using profanity on conservatives.

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