slg

Stanton, MI

#22 May 6, 2008
b.u.t.t. is the censored word. ;)
Mark

Knoxville, TN

#23 May 6, 2008
slg wrote:
Seriously, what is it your business? Is he trying to live affecting your life? Is he hurting your family or taking money out of your pocket? It's really no different if he gets paid to plow a driveway or mow someones lawn for a few bucks. Definitely butt out. It's not your business at all.
You're an idiot.

Just wonderful. As someone who tries to make a living--while abiding by the laws of the land paying FICA, FUTA, SUTA, Medicare, SS, etc, etc--let's just let the guy take business away from those of us attempting to operate a legitimate business. Just freakin' wonderful.

I'd turn him in in a heartbeat. He's stealing from his former employer and the state.

All you ignoramuses that don't think it's a big deal do realize that unemployment benefits are paid by business and not government, right? And the rate is determined by how many unemployed\laid off employees that company has, right? So the more they pay, the higher their rate is, creating more of a burden on that business--another tax increase to pass along to their customers or cut into profits.

Then you can get into how this guy and his 'employer' is screwing the state and feds on taxes. He most likely won't be covered under WC so if he gets hurt on this job, he's screwing himself.
slg

Stanton, MI

#24 May 6, 2008
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
You're an idiot.
Just wonderful. As someone who tries to make a living--while abiding by the laws of the land paying FICA, FUTA, SUTA, Medicare, SS, etc, etc--let's just let the guy take business away from those of us attempting to operate a legitimate business. Just freakin' wonderful.
I'd turn him in in a heartbeat. He's stealing from his former employer and the state.
All you ignoramuses that don't think it's a big deal do realize that unemployment benefits are paid by business and not government, right? And the rate is determined by how many unemployed\laid off employees that company has, right? So the more they pay, the higher their rate is, creating more of a burden on that business--another tax increase to pass along to their customers or cut into profits.
Then you can get into how this guy and his 'employer' is screwing the state and feds on taxes. He most likely won't be covered under WC so if he gets hurt on this job, he's screwing himself.
Mark, the name calling IS uncalled for, and sorry, but I won't tolerate it. You have no right to bash me for MY OPINION. You have a right to your opinion, I have a right to mine. I didn't call anyone names, so perhaps you should think before you start slinging names. Grow up.
Mark

Knoxville, TN

#25 May 6, 2008
slg wrote:
<quoted text>
Mark, the name calling IS uncalled for, and sorry, but I won't tolerate it. You have no right to bash me for MY OPINION. You have a right to your opinion, I have a right to mine. I didn't call anyone names, so perhaps you should think before you start slinging names. Grow up.
Fine, you're ignorant and trying to justify someone breaking the law. Does that make you happy?

Your opinion is wrong and this person is a criminal. You also have the right to be wrong. And I have the right to inform you that you are wrong.

Do you think it is OK for someone to cheat on their taxes? How about rip off the welfare system? You obviously don't understand what this person is doing, and that is why you think it is just fine. It isn't.

“Police Assault! ”

Since: Mar 08

Edmond, OK

#26 May 6, 2008
Iím guessing no one else here has collected unemployment benefits. The employer pays them, not our tax dollars. I believe you can earn the value of your check before loosing benefits. Chances are, the neighbor may be doing this within the law anyway.
WDA

United States

#27 May 6, 2008
When a person draws unemployment they are getting money from a fund that their employer paid into.
When claims are filed the employer will get a rate increase on all of its remaining employees.
REMEMBER CHEATING IS JUST CHEATING NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT....

“Police Assault! ”

Since: Mar 08

Edmond, OK

#28 May 6, 2008
WDA wrote:
When a person draws unemployment they are getting money from a fund that their employer paid into.
When claims are filed the employer will get a rate increase on all of its remaining employees.
REMEMBER CHEATING IS JUST CHEATING NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT....
I agree. But the worker can still earn in addition to his benefits.
Read again

United States

#29 May 6, 2008
on the fly wrote:
I think if I were in your shoes I would do some research on the current rules for collecting unemployment.
As for the child in the home of a parent using drugs... wow! I would be worried. When I first read your post I assumed that he was taking some expensive prescriptions.
I read that there was a child involved who would suffer from the loss of income. I didn't read, nor can I assume, that he has a child within his household.

There is that all too common scenario that the government is taking everything he has for child support and he can't satisfy FOC obligations, live and stay out of jail by doing it the right way. If that is the case....people need to b.utt out and let the guy work and pay.

If my I entered into an arrangement with my employee to lay him off so he could draw unemployment that I already paid into, that's between me and him. If he works another job and stays under the maximum that he is allowed to earn before affecting those benefits, that's his dealings and I would b.utt out of it.

Unless the turner inner can afford to take his family into your home and support them, they should probably not worry about it.

If the guy is a crackhead and turner inner has to turn to the internet for advice on what to do, maybe they aren't the sharpest tack on the cork board.

Since: Feb 08

Palatine, IL

#30 May 6, 2008
Karma. Leave him be. It will come back to him eventually. It always does in one way or another.
Mark

Knoxville, TN

#31 May 6, 2008
MustangDan2112 wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree. But the worker can still earn in addition to his benefits.
Approximately 8-10 hours before his UA is shut off.
Laura

Rockford, MI

#32 May 6, 2008
I also think it depends how much time he spends on these 'side jobs'. I know that you can work some time (I thought it was up to 20 hours but I admit I do not know for sure) and it is still ok.

I also get frustrated with all the people who live off of the government programs, but I don't think this is one of them. Unfortunately until laws are changed / different people are put in charge of these social programs, things will never change. Working at a bank and seeing people come in every month to cash these checks angered me so much I had to leave that job. People who clearly are abusing the system, pulling up in brand new Cadillacs and then complaining about the $5 fee we would charge if you are not a bank customer.

Sorry, that was a little off topic, but I think those people are the ones that should be reported... but I think sadly it's legal...

“Pleasantly Deranged”

Since: Apr 08

West Michigan

#33 May 6, 2008
Lucy in Rockford wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, I wouldn't report him. He's doing what he can to survive, thanks to our wonderful economy.
I say mind your own business.
I agree with Lucy.
slg

Stanton, MI

#34 May 6, 2008
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
Fine, you're ignorant and trying to justify someone breaking the law. Does that make you happy?
Your opinion is wrong and this person is a criminal. You also have the right to be wrong. And I have the right to inform you that you are wrong.
Do you think it is OK for someone to cheat on their taxes? How about rip off the welfare system? You obviously don't understand what this person is doing, and that is why you think it is just fine. It isn't.
My opinion is not wrong, it is MY opinion and I refuse to have someone such as yourself try to come down on me for having an opinion. Get off your mighty horse and shut the h.ell up.

Since: Oct 07

Grand Blanc, MI

#35 May 6, 2008
old_timer wrote:
<quoted text> I say, more power to him/her, unemployment doesn't really pay a lot. However if you turn him the place of his employment may turn around and fire him, they also pay into the program, then what, you actually want him to get fired from a job that he may get called back too.
Figures you would say that, being an ex union zombie.

Turn him in, he is taking money from the pockets of all of the hard working people.

I can understand old timers view, as a union man he knows nothing about hard work.
Hmmmm

United States

#36 May 6, 2008
Mark is blown away wrote:
<quoted text>
Figures you would say that, being an ex union zombie.
Turn him in, he is taking money from the pockets of all of the hard working people.
I can understand old timers view, as a union man he knows nothing about hard work.
What hard working people? His employer? His empoyer is the one who pays his unemployment compensation. How is that affecting you?

Since: Oct 07

Grand Blanc, MI

#37 May 6, 2008
MustangDan2112 wrote:
The unemployment benefits are paid by the employer anyway. If anyone should be concerned, it is his old boss. Thankfully I havenít had to collect for 34 years, but, as I remember, you can earn up to 1/2 of benefits without reducing your check size. You can earn the value of your check and then draw 1/2 benefits.
Less money to pay the people working legitimately when your employers unemployment premium is high because of fraud.
Hmmmm

United States

#38 May 6, 2008
Mark is blown away wrote:
<quoted text>
Less money to pay the people working legitimately when your employers unemployment premium is high because of fraud.
Who said it was fraud? It's only fraud when the employer doesn't know what's going on. How do you know that's the case?

Since: Oct 07

Grand Blanc, MI

#39 May 6, 2008
Has nothing to do with the employer knowing. If he's working under the table making more than allowed and still drawing unemployment, the last employer pays the price. If he had an actual job, he would not need unemployment because he would be employed.
Mark

Knoxville, TN

#40 May 7, 2008
Well, hmmmmm, you are ignorant and wrong along with slg. Mark is blown away is correct.

A crime is a crime whether you are caught or not. Cheating on your income taxes is cheating whether the IRS audits you or not.

slg, have you not comprehended what I and the other Mark wrote? If he is working over the allowed amount of time and is being paid cash, he is cheating everyone, including himself and his family if he gets hurt on the job. Because I know of no one who pays under the table and the files all the legal documentation with regards to taxes and unemployment, Medicare, SS, etc. That's the whole idea of paying someone under the table, to cheat the system.

Just because you have an opinion that differs does not make it right. If this guy is violating the laws, your opinion IS wrong. Like it or not, he may be violating several laws, state and federal. And if he is not reporting any of his time to the UA Commission, he is violating at least one law. And it should be everyone's business.
slg

Stanton, MI

#41 May 7, 2008
Mark. I have better things to do than to banter back and forth with someone like you. I suggest you grow up, get a life and stop thinking your way is the correct way. You're a ridiculous waste of time.

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