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Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly what I'd expect from a transient like yourself. It may suit you to know that things are being done on many levels right now, not that you'll benefit from any of it, but I guess I can say I told you. I told you....
I wouldn't expect that anyone would benefit from the type of facist government that you patriots want. I guess that rules out any chance of you supporting this constitution, or any other for that matter!

Do yourself a favor and try to relax...... Take a deep breath......

Hold it for the next twenty minutes!
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Jan 14, 2013
 
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<quoted text>To quote you, "I have done this many times before and I am too busy to do it again." I posted them well over a year ago SIB on another thread where we were discussing basically the same issues. Not to disrespect you, but do your own homework with something besides think tanks and liberal/progressive blogs and you might be surprised at what you find. I used the Social Security Website and the History of Social Security website.
You mean this one? http://www.ssa.gov/history/BudgetTreatment.ht...

Or maybe this one? http://www.ssa.gov/history/reaganstmts.html#l...

The you got something different from what it/they were saying.
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King Obama doesn't have the balls to do anything that would ever cause a war. He's too concerned with being idolized and immortalized and thinks himself savior of this nation. War would change all that and he knows it so talk will be tough but action will be nonexistent. He's still a fool though.
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Jan 14, 2013
 
LIbSlayer4MoreYears wrote:
King Obama doesn't have the balls to do anything that would ever cause a war. He's too concerned with being idolized and immortalized and thinks himself savior of this nation. War would change all that and he knows it so talk will be tough but action will be nonexistent. He's still a fool though.
And you will be among the first to sign up for the war you want, yes? Or make sure your kids and/or grand-kids will if you're too old, yes?
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And you will be among the first to sign up for the war you want, yes? Or make sure your kids and/or grand-kids will if you're too old, yes?
Sure SIB, when any of your progressive heroes sign their kids or grand kids up.

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Jan 14, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Sure SIB, when any of your progressive heroes sign their kids or grand kids up.
Like Beau Biden?
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<quoted text>Sure SIB, when any of your progressive heroes sign their kids or grand kids up.
I'm not the one calling for a war against the United States of America.
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<quoted text>Like Beau Biden?
Confusing them with facts only sends them into seizures.
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And you will be among the first to sign up for the war you want, yes? Or make sure your kids and/or grand-kids will if you're too old, yes?
Can you read? You're just a insignificant liberal attack dog who obviously finds extremism in every post...even when it's not there. Liberals are filth and they are destructive to societies in which they live. You're nobody though and your words mean next to nothing out here.
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Jan 14, 2013
 
Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>Can you read? You're just a insignificant liberal attack dog who obviously finds extremism in every post...even when it's not there. Liberals are filth and they are destructive to societies in which they live. You're nobody though and your words mean next to nothing out here.
Ya, I can read. Can you comprehend? I have no idea what you mean by that as it pertains to what I posted. Asking two simple questions is an attack? A challenge to discover the dedication to waging war? Yes. Questions to discover the willingness of one to put their own, and those closest to them, lives at risk for what they personally want war for or just others to fight and die? Yes. My my how over sensitive we are huh.
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Jan 14, 2013
 
Just one more thing on that, as there is no option to edit the other posting. Check the actual history. It's liberals that cause society to advance. It's conservatives that cause it to stagnate. Check the definitions of the two words.

So your statement of "Liberals are filth and they are destructive to societies in which they live" is a complete ignoring of the facts.
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Just one more thing on that, as there is no option to edit the other posting. Check the actual history. It's liberals that cause society to advance. It's conservatives that cause it to stagnate. Check the definitions of the two words.
So your statement of "Liberals are filth and they are destructive to societies in which they live" is a complete ignoring of the facts.
BS to everything you just wrote! This is why I'm calling for a complete separation of liberals and conservatives and the formation of two separate countries thus. Your insistence that liberals advance society is so flawed as to not be believed. Why? Because liberals of today have betrayed Jefferson and embraced Lenin. Now, go and think that through.
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<quoted text>BS to everything you just wrote! This is why I'm calling for a complete separation of liberals and conservatives and the formation of two separate countries thus. Your insistence that liberals advance society is so flawed as to not be believed. Why? Because liberals of today have betrayed Jefferson and embraced Lenin. Now, go and think that through.
If you understood even half of what Jefferson was about you wouldn't open your mouth to sound so stupid. Jefferson was staunchly against government being taken over by corporate interests as it has been today. Against banks controlling the government as they do today. Against "free trade" as we know it today.

Try reading the Federalist Papers.

You think the founders of this country were conservatives? Go outside, get a stick and beat yourself over the head with it.
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Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>BS to everything you just wrote! This is why I'm calling for a complete separation of liberals and conservatives and the formation of two separate countries thus. Your insistence that liberals advance society is so flawed as to not be believed. Why? Because liberals of today have betrayed Jefferson and embraced Lenin. Now, go and think that through.
Ignore SIB. Your first instinct was correct. She is now and always has been a progressive shill for Obama and Clinton. She, like them, wants the Constitution adhered to when it suits her purpose and ignored the rest of the time. She also seems to think the Federalist papers are a founding document with the power of law. She pontificates because being a blowhard is all she has left.

I would suggest, however, that you stop publishing your thought process on secession. It is not legal to secede from the union. Recalling our Senators and Congressmen is a much easier task to undertake.
Bob

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Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>BS to everything you just wrote! This is why I'm calling for a complete separation of liberals and conservatives and the formation of two separate countries thus. Your insistence that liberals advance society is so flawed as to not be believed. Why? Because liberals of today have betrayed Jefferson and embraced Lenin. Now, go and think that through.
Strangely...... I almost completely agree with you!

You and other fringe lunatics want your own country where you can make sure that everyone thinks exactly the way you do, and I think its way beyond the time that you need to create that place. With every bloviating post your kind makes, it is painfully clear that you don't agree with any part of this country's constitution if or when it applies to anyone outside of your twisted little mindset.

You only believe in freedom of religion if its your religion. The freedom of speech is find so long as you agree with what is being said. The 2nd amendment is great if it only applied to your group because you're scared to death of any brown person with a gun. The only possible way you would support equal rights would be if "those people" would know their place in your society and then stay there.

The answer to all this is simple, pack up and leave.....

Afraid to leave home.... I'm all in favor of giving you idiots a state to start your own country in. How about Texas? I'd even gladly move from Michigan so long as the rest of us can build the real fence you've long supported.... We need to keep you away from the rest of us!
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<quoted text>Ignore SIB. Your first instinct was correct. She is now and always has been a progressive shill for Obama and Clinton. She, like them, wants the Constitution adhered to when it suits her purpose and ignored the rest of the time. She also seems to think the Federalist papers are a founding document with the power of law. She pontificates because being a blowhard is all she has left.
I would suggest, however, that you stop publishing your thought process on secession. It is not legal to secede from the union. Recalling our Senators and Congressmen is a much easier task to undertake.
Show me where I have given ANY indication I want the Constitution adhered to ONLY where it suits me. SHOW ME JACK WAD.

And you are so brain disabled to believe I think the Federalist Papers are a founding document much less the power of law. Again, SHOW ME where I made ANY indication of that. The Federalist Papers, as I refer to them, give an insight into the context of how to put together a new and unique government different from what had gone before and was being fought for not to repeat. They give an insight beyond and into the actual contexts of quotes blowhard right-wingers like you use to profess your righteousness
in wanting to overthrow the government.

I am a great admirer of Jefferson. However, I have delved into the history of him beyond the rose colored glasses you so dearly love to use. He was a deeply conflicted man. "All men are created equal" while he owned slaves and never freed them until after his death. He lied to a reporter of the time about his affair with his slave Sally Hemming. A slave by the way very much younger than himself. He believed in expanding the nation westward with no regard for the indigenous American Indians. Having no issue with stealing their lands from them however it was done. And if I remember it correctly having said they should be slaughtered if necessary. He was a LOUSY manager of his money. He died penniless losing his beloved Monticello to creditors. Partially because he had committed a great sum of his fortune to "socialist" causes such as a pack with others for a fund for free education for EVERYONE to the highest level they could accomplish. Being the only one however to not back out of his commitment.

So get over the idea that YOU can pontificate whatever you please with THAT being the un-challengeable.
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Show me where I have given ANY indication I want the Constitution adhered to ONLY where it suits me. SHOW ME JACK WAD.
And you are so brain disabled to believe I think the Federalist Papers are a founding document much less the power of law. Again, SHOW ME where I made ANY indication of that. The Federalist Papers, as I refer to them, give an insight into the context of how to put together a new and unique government different from what had gone before and was being fought for not to repeat. They give an insight beyond and into the actual contexts of quotes blowhard right-wingers like you use to profess your righteousness
in wanting to overthrow the government.
I am a great admirer of Jefferson. However, I have delved into the history of him beyond the rose colored glasses you so dearly love to use. He was a deeply conflicted man. "All men are created equal" while he owned slaves and never freed them until after his death. He lied to a reporter of the time about his affair with his slave Sally Hemming. A slave by the way very much younger than himself. He believed in expanding the nation westward with no regard for the indigenous American Indians. Having no issue with stealing their lands from them however it was done. And if I remember it correctly having said they should be slaughtered if necessary. He was a LOUSY manager of his money. He died penniless losing his beloved Monticello to creditors. Partially because he had committed a great sum of his fortune to "socialist" causes such as a pack with others for a fund for free education for EVERYONE to the highest level they could accomplish. Being the only one however to not back out of his commitment.
So get over the idea that YOU can pontificate whatever you please with THAT being the un-challengeable.
And one more thing. If ANYONE believes the Founding Fathers were being altruistic you're making a huge mistake. Just to mention two, George Washington was the wealthiest man in the Colonies before the Revolution and remained so after it. He inherited his wealth to begin with. Thomas Jefferson, another of the Colonies wealthy inherited his wealth. They did increase it after they inherited it but at least they had a base to build upon. They were NOT first generation wealthy. George Washington was a land speculator and he TOOK land that did not belong to him, surveyed it and registered it under European legal convention but much of the land he obtained was Indian Lands that he did not purchase. The Revolution took away England's claims to the land opening them to anyone to get it...from the indigenous peoples.

So get over the notion the Founding Fathers were angles sent from heaven to free the people, ALL THE PEOPLE from English oppression alone.
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<quoted text>Ignore SIB. Your first instinct was correct. She is now and always has been a progressive shill for Obama and Clinton. She, like them, wants the Constitution adhered to when it suits her purpose and ignored the rest of the time. She also seems to think the Federalist papers are a founding document with the power of law. She pontificates because being a blowhard is all she has left.
I would suggest, however, that you stop publishing your thought process on secession. It is not legal to secede from the union. Recalling our Senators and Congressmen is a much easier task to undertake.
Precisely! You can't even argue significant points with these people. I guess the liberal brainwashing techniques have worked better than we previously thought.
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Bob wrote:
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Strangely...... I almost completely agree with you!
You and other fringe lunatics want your own country where you can make sure that everyone thinks exactly the way you do, and I think its way beyond the time that you need to create that place. With every bloviating post your kind makes, it is painfully clear that you don't agree with any part of this country's constitution if or when it applies to anyone outside of your twisted little mindset.
You only believe in freedom of religion if its your religion. The freedom of speech is find so long as you agree with what is being said. The 2nd amendment is great if it only applied to your group because you're scared to death of any brown person with a gun. The only possible way you would support equal rights would be if "those people" would know their place in your society and then stay there.
The answer to all this is simple, pack up and leave.....
Afraid to leave home.... I'm all in favor of giving you idiots a state to start your own country in. How about Texas? I'd even gladly move from Michigan so long as the rest of us can build the real fence you've long supported.... We need to keep you away from the rest of us!
We don't want our own country Bob, we just want to fix the problems that are created by the ever- increasing differences between left and right. Unfortunately, that is no longer a possibility. That is why I'm calling for full and total separation of political ideologies and the housing of those in their respective 25 states. That's progress! That's moving.....forward!?
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If you understood even half of what Jefferson was about you wouldn't open your mouth to sound so stupid. Jefferson was staunchly against government being taken over by corporate interests as it has been today. Against banks controlling the government as they do today. Against "free trade" as we know it today.
Try reading the Federalist Papers.
You think the founders of this country were conservatives? Go outside, get a stick and beat yourself over the head with it.
You obviously missed the point I made about the transformation of the Jeffersonian liberal into a progressive Leninist. Now, go beat yourself over the head with a hammer. It might reactivate what little brain cells you have left.

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