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Whatever.......The point here is, we never signed up for this, as Americans....It is something that has been thrust upon us, and frankly i never hear anyone speak of it....the use of our tax dollars.....to force our neighborhood's integration.....it was never just about the schools.....and please don't confuse the issue with party crap, it has surely been an ongoing program by both parties.....do any of you out there understand this?......
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Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>There's no indication that progressivism is going to offer anything beyond a more government-controlled radical form of cronyism, and ultimate destruction of our economy. Obama voters have had over four years to witness what progressivism brings, and it's a far cry from the Hope & Change rhetoric Mr 'Dreams of My Father' made it out to be. Whether they realize it or not, it;s the intentional strangling of American capitalism and exceptionalism.

Educated supporters of progressivism want divisiveness and a collapse of capitalism, so they can run unfettered straight to the socialist Utopia alternative they are attracted to like bugs to a zapper. Low-information Obama supporters voted for him because he's black - they know nothing and care even less about what progressivism is. Most couldn't even spell progressivism. It's the perfect storm of radicalism meets uneducated naivety.

The left will talk of how we need to come together and agree, unite and speak as one voice. But really what they mean is exactly what Rob stated - either agree with us or we'll do anything to eradicate you from the system.

It's sick and altogether un-American. Progressivism is like the non-indigenous species introduced to the Great Lakes that is now threatening to destroy the competition.
Yes that is what I meant. Somebody was talking to me and I lost track of what I was typing. I was multi tasking as usual.
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Go Blue Forever wrote:
Whatever.......The point here is, we never signed up for this, as Americans....It is something that has been thrust upon us, and frankly i never hear anyone speak of it....the use of our tax dollars.....to force our neighborhood's integration.....it was never just about the schools.....and please don't confuse the issue with party crap, it has surely been an ongoing program by both parties.....do any of you out there understand this?......
It would appear that your racism is rearing its ugly head, Blue. And you are correct, it's about "party crap" as you so eloquently put it. It IS, however, about everyone have the RIGHT to live where they can afford to live. I don't necessarily agree with everyone that receives Section 8 housing, but to limit to "integration" purposes only is foolish. IMO
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*it's not about party crap, that should read.

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Really wrote:
<quoted text>It would appear that your racism is rearing its ugly head, Blue. And you are correct, it's about "party crap" as you so eloquently put it. It IS, however, about everyone have the RIGHT to live where they can afford to live. I don't necessarily agree with everyone that receives Section 8 housing, but to limit to "integration" purposes only is foolish. IMO
It is mostly all about racism, but from the government's actions....for someone that alway's talks about loss of freedoms, this is crucial.....imagine working and "playing the game", throughout your life...along with paying taxes....so that you can provide a nice, safe neighborhood for your family....can you imagine that?.....Now, let's let the social engineering begin, when without your any notice....those 4-5 homes in the immediate area, are given to the absolute worst, most criminally violent element of innercity public housing.....did you see your freedom, to chose your environment, leave your control?.......This is the path, our elected official's have chosen for us all.....forced neighborhood integration......Where is Steelie, when it's important?...lol...
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<quoted text>It is mostly all about racism, but from the government's actions....for someone that alway's talks about loss of freedoms, this is crucial.....imagine working and "playing the game", throughout your life...along with paying taxes....so that you can provide a nice, safe neighborhood for your family....can you imagine that?.....Now, let's let the social engineering begin, when without your any notice....those 4-5 homes in the immediate area, are given to the absolute worst, most criminally violent element of innercity public housing.....did you see your freedom, to chose your environment, leave your control?.......This is the path, our elected official's have chosen for us all.....forced neighborhood integration......Where is Steelie, when it's important?...lol...
In the first place, the homes are not being "given" to the worst elements. And I must say, your verbage "forced neighborhood integration" reeks of KKK language Blue. That's really sad. I don't particularly think racists are very intelligent. In fact, I think they are more scared than anything else. Shame on you.

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May 13, 2013
 
You miss my point completely.....
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May 13, 2013
 
I get your point. We have a couple of houses in our neighborhood that have qualified for Section 8. One is right next door. While the family that is in there now, we have had our share of undesirable neighbors in there before.
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You miss my point completely.....
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May 13, 2013
 
I meant to say the family in there now is decent.
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Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>It is mostly all about racism, but from the government's actions....for someone that alway's talks about loss of freedoms, this is crucial.....imagine working and "playing the game", throughout your life...along with paying taxes....so that you can provide a nice, safe neighborhood for your family....can you imagine that?.....Now, let's let the social engineering begin, when without your any notice....those 4-5 homes in the immediate area, are given to the absolute worst, most criminally violent element of innercity public housing.....did you see your freedom, to chose your environment, leave your control?.......This is the path, our elected official's have chosen for us all.....forced neighborhood integration......Where is Steelie, when it's important?...lol...
You should buy some old dilapidated homes/trailers near you live and rent them out to section 8 people.
I have some old trash houses downtown by the zoo.
I used to rent them out to "normal" trash, but they were always late with the rent.
Now that I have section 8 people in them, I get the rent deposited in my account on the first of every month.
You just cant beat that!
By the way,....every one of them is occupied by "white trash"!!!!
Take your racism, and shove it!
Just because a person is black, doesnt mean that they live in section 8 housing!
Some of us own them, and collect money from the government for rent.
I know it's hard for you to fathom,.....a black person actually owning property and everything.
You're a racist pig!
Thanks for your tax dollars.
That is if you pay any, which id highly doubtfull.
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Go Blue Forever wrote:
You miss my point completely.....
So enlighten me. See, Blue, I take your words at face value and don't spend my time looking for "subtle" meanings. I still think you are a racist and you won't be honest about it. It's your opinion, but it's based on fear, not on fact. I have seen just as many white people destroy homes as I have blacks or hispanics. There is bad in every single race and it is NOT the majority, despite what the media would have you believe.

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May 14, 2013
 
Sassy wrote:
I get your point. We have a couple of houses in our neighborhood that have qualified for Section 8. One is right next door. While the family that is in there now, we have had our share of undesirable neighbors in there before.
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What the government is doing, is a form of social engineering, through the guise of housing assistance....though i have alway's been opposed to such help, i did'nt realize, that this is how they might use it.....to actually force into the environment of hardworking citizen's.....the residents from their failed public housing programs, and sadly they often contain a criminal/deadbeat element.......In effect, your neighborhood will be integrated by use of government subsidy, and with your own tax dollars.......Your crime rate will rise, and your property values will tumble.....done to you, by your elected representatives......
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Go Blue Forever wrote:
What the government is doing, is a form of social engineering, through the guise of housing assistance....though i have alway's been opposed to such help, i did'nt realize, that this is how they might use it.....to actually force into the environment of hardworking citizen's.....the residents from their failed public housing programs, and sadly they often contain a criminal/deadbeat element.......In effect, your neighborhood will be integrated by use of government subsidy, and with your own tax dollars.......Your crime rate will rise, and your property values will tumble.....done to you, by your elected representatives......
Your neighborhood already contained a 'criminal element', as you like to put it. Have you checked the sex offender registry for your area lately? Do you know how many of your neighbors (or their kids) have been arrested for drugs, DUI, shoplifting, and other crimes?
Sorry, but it's bigoted to assume that a section 8 recipient is a 'criminal element' and that all your fancy schmancy neighbors aren't and that's what bigotry is...judging the whole based on only a few.
So what do you propose, Blue...a special section of town designated for those convicted or crimes?

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May 14, 2013
 
I want the government to stop Section 8 Housing Assistance, period.......I'm not assuming those in Public Housing have a MUCH HIGHER CRIME QUOTIENT than your or even my neighborhood.....it's a Fact......The fact that someone from Detroit should dispute that, is hilarious.....Here's a good question fer ya....How did Section 8 Housing come about??????????
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The fact that someone from Detroit should dispute that, is hilarious
The fact that you would assume I'm in Detroit just because that's where my ISP router runs through is hilarious. Do you really not know that the locations are based on the ISP and not the actual location of the poster? Really??? LOL
You still haven't answer as to what your solution is...a special section of town designated for the criminals? Or maybe a whole separate town just for them becuase God forbid you have someone in your neighborhood that's a lawbreaker...lol
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Go Blue Forever wrote:
I want the government to stop Section 8 Housing Assistance, period.......I'm not assuming those in Public Housing have a MUCH HIGHER CRIME QUOTIENT than your or even my neighborhood.....it's a Fact......The fact that someone from Detroit should dispute that, is hilarious.....Here's a good question fer ya....How did Section 8 Housing come about??????????
http://home.howstuffworks.com/ real-estate/section-8-housing1 .htm there is your answer to the Section 8 Housing question Blue. Looks like it started back in 1937 and was revised a few times. If you read the entire article, it will also tell you how the program works today. Not quite the "they give the homes to the criminal element" that you think it is, is it? AND, if you have the FACT of the higher crime rate, post the link. Of course, that is assuming that you have a link and not just your fear of those who are different than you.

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Where the mistakes in the program happened, were when these poor souls, destroyed the public housing(we funded).....they built nicer residences and housing(we funded)....that they also destroyed(See Cabrinni Green, Chicago as example)......So those in Gov't decided, how else could we do this?......We could hand out Section 8 vouchers, so that they can destroy neighborhoods anywhere.....which was perfect for a climate of post-foreclosure rentals...even on your street.....
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May 14, 2013
 
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Where the mistakes in the program happened, were when these poor souls, destroyed the public housing(we funded).....they built nicer residences and housing(we funded)....that they also destroyed(See Cabrinni Green, Chicago as example)......So those in Gov't decided, how else could we do this?......We could hand out Section 8 vouchers, so that they can destroy neighborhoods anywhere.....which was perfect for a climate of post-foreclosure rentals...even on your street.....
Where are you getting your information on people being allowed to rent foreclosed properties? Haven't heard of that happening here, just curious.

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May 15, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Where are you getting your information on people being allowed to rent foreclosed properties? Haven't heard of that happening here, just curious.
Over the years i have watched what happened to the suburbs of Chicago, like ruining many by changing whole neighborhoods, through Section 8 renters, moving in....Our Palm Beach Post had a series on how the community of Wellington here, was being transformed negatively, by the use of Section 8....Seem's that many foreclosed propertys were put up for rent and....well.....I'm talking about neighborhood's where the homes cost $180-300,000 homes....easy to see the effect on the community, however they minipulate the program, to make it possible......
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Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Over the years i have watched what happened to the suburbs of Chicago, like ruining many by changing whole neighborhoods, through Section 8 renters, moving in....Our Palm Beach Post had a series on how the community of Wellington here, was being transformed negatively, by the use of Section 8....Seem's that many foreclosed propertys were put up for rent and....well.....I'm talking about neighborhood's where the homes cost $180-300,000 homes....easy to see the effect on the community, however they minipulate the program, to make it possible......
While it's generally against the law to refuse to rent to someone just because the person has a Section 8 voucher, the Landlord has always had the right to screen the Section 8 tenant, i.e. background, prior evictions, bad debt, and refuse to rent. They can also use the eviction process if necessary. No one is forcing the landlord to rent to section 8 applicants. It's generally the landlord's own choice. Seems to me your beef is just as much with the property owner as it with the Section 8 tenant. Most landlords would rather rent to anyone who is qualified, including Section 8, that let their property sit empty. This is especially true in housing markets that are distressed. Many Florida housing markets are distressed and will be for some time.

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