A true American

[Nobody]

Big O wrote:

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That is a job they applied for because they wanted to do it. None of them consider themselves any different than anyone else.

You are correct that there are heros in all walks of life, but to slam someone for praising a veteran over a performer is stupid. He was making a point that remembering someone like Freeman who gave his life for his country is something more important than making a saint out of an entertainer. Whether you agree with a "political" war or not anyone who is willing to step up to the plate when his country calls and fight is a hero in my book.

[Liberals Stink]

A true American does not enclude Liberals, who are anti-American.

[sassysandy050]

Seenitbefore wrote:

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Horrendous shame? So you'd heard about Ed Freeman before this? I assure you there are more out there than you will EVER hear about. And they don't have to be connected to some (political) war.
Usually they are every-day people who do un-everyday things. And perhaps only once, or twice. Think about Coastguard men and women. They throw themselves out there in the very middle of completely uncontrollable conditions to save other people lives. And that is exactly what they put themselves in that position to do. More so than most firefighters you will ever run across. A fire can be somewhat controlled by others while other firefighters run into it to save lives. And I think firefighters are the true everyday they breath heroes. They have actually earned the title hero(es). There is no control over raging hurricane force storms while jumping into the middle of it to save lives and even property though.
Sorry, but there are far more than just a few "true Americans out there any more." It's only because you don't hear about them all that makes you say that.
We have become complacent enough to believe that heroes come in times of war. And that is just plain wrong.

So, count me amongst the people who totally missed your point as well. Looks to me like you are slamming the military just because they are military. Still feeling angry are you, SIB? I would have thought a little time away from the forums would have cheered you up, guess I was wrong about that too.
As to your comment about heroes in time of war only, that is not really true. But, true heroes don't stand up and announce it, they go on about their business of being everyday ordinary Americans.
They don't want the attention, which is what makes them all the more extraordinary, IMO.

[Seenitbefore]

sassysandy050 wrote:

<quoted text>So, count me amongst the people who totally missed your point as well. Looks to me like you are slamming the military just because they are military. Still feeling angry are you, SIB? I would have thought a little time away from the forums would have cheered you up, guess I was wrong about that too.
As to your comment about heroes in time of war only, that is not really true. But, true heroes don't stand up and announce it, they go on about their business of being everyday ordinary Americans.
They don't want the attention, which is what makes them all the more extraordinary, IMO.

"So, count me amongst the people who totally missed your point as well."
Why does that not surprise me. Granny Smith said "There are very few true Americans out there anymore. That is a horrendous shame."

I was simply pointing out that there are a lot more true Americans out there than the narrow minded want to believe there are. Not all the "true Americans" are in military uniforms.

Unfortunately you are among those that believe only soldiers are true Americans; only people who go off and fight in some political war are heroes. Only those people who CHOOSE to go and fight so YOU can be safe. You have no clue on how many there are out there prepared to keep you "safe" and save you right here.

Well how about looking at it this way. Big O said the men and women in, say, the Coast Guard chose that and for that reason don't consider themselves as heroes and are therefore not heroes. Well we have had strictly a volunteer military for a very long time now. That means every soldier that dons the uniform and goes into combat CHOSE it. Then using the same reasoning they too are not heroes...because they chose it.

No, I was not bashing the military. You and others are just so far over the edge of the right you can't follow through with your own reasoning.

[Big O]

Seenitbefore wrote:

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Big O said the men and women in, say, the Coast Guard chose that and for that reason don't consider themselves as heroes and are therefore not heroes.

I did not say they weren't heroes ... I said they do not perceive themselves as heroes, just ordinary people. You keep adding words to my posts that are not there, changing the meaning to read what you want it to read and not it's intent.

[abranger]

SIB's forte is taking a post out of context and then writing paragraph after paragraph of mindless drivel as if volume will make up for intelligence.

[Allende]

Big O wrote:

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Why "unbelievable"? I have 2 cousins that are retired after over 20 years each in the USCG, one of which ran the USCG Academy for awhile. If I called either of them "heroes", they would laugh at me. For them, it was their chosen profession and nothing more. Being elevated to "hero status" in not their forte.

Most TRUE heroes do not see themselves as heroes.

Even if a veteran did not serve in combat, they are heroes. They gave up civilian careers to serve and always ran the risk of danger if called upon. So all veterans are heroes of a type. Of course, combat veterans are even moreso.

[Seenitbefore]

Big O wrote:

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I did not say they weren't heroes ... I said they do not perceive themselves as heroes, just ordinary people. You keep adding words to my posts that are not there, changing the meaning to read what you want it to read and not it's intent.

And just where did I say they had to view themselves as heroes to be heroes?

I did not add any words to your posts. You decided to add to mine to Granny Smith. And of course the right just convoluted it from there.

And while your defending your intent, my intent was strictly to show Granny Smith that true Americans can be found everywhere in this country without having to be involved in some war somewhere.

[Hanging CHAD]

GR Pete wrote:

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Nice tribute, he was not kid when he did this, he just missed WWII by my calculations, would have been 36 or so in 1965. More should be done for these guys as should there be for all vets.

I couldn't agree with you more, Pete. Well stated!

[sassysandy050]

Seenitbefore wrote:

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"So, count me amongst the people who totally missed your point as well."
Why does that not surprise me. Granny Smith said "There are very few true Americans out there anymore. That is a horrendous shame."
I was simply pointing out that there are a lot more true Americans out there than the narrow minded want to believe there are. Not all the "true Americans" are in military uniforms.
Unfortunately you are among those that believe only soldiers are true Americans; only people who go off and fight in some political war are heroes. Only those people who CHOOSE to go and fight so YOU can be safe. You have no clue on how many there are out there prepared to keep you "safe" and save you right here.
Well how about looking at it this way. Big O said the men and women in, say, the Coast Guard chose that and for that reason don't consider themselves as heroes and are therefore not heroes. Well we have had strictly a volunteer military for a very long time now. That means every soldier that dons the uniform and goes into combat CHOSE it. Then using the same reasoning they too are not heroes...because they chose it.
No, I was not bashing the military. You and others are just so far over the edge of the right you can't follow through with your own reasoning.

You bash anyone who doesn't agree with your convoluted thinking. But hey, it's your opinion and you are entitled to it. Just remember that we are not obligated to agree with it nor do we. That does NOT make us stupid or slow to comprehend, it makes you the person who has trouble articulating her position. STBY!

[Seenitbefore]

sassysandy050 wrote:

<quoted text>You bash anyone who doesn't agree with your convoluted thinking. But hey, it's your opinion and you are entitled to it. Just remember that we are not obligated to agree with it nor do we. That does NOT make us stupid or slow to comprehend, it makes you the person who has trouble articulating her position. STBY!

Do you ever really read your posts? They don't exude understanding or benign comment. But you expect to be responded to otherwise?

[sassysandy050]

Seenitbefore wrote:

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Do you ever really read your posts? They don't exude understanding or benign comment. But you expect to be responded to otherwise?

I know, it is beneath your superior knowledge to speak with those of us lowly serfs. So, tell me, why DO you respond? Can't help yourself or you get your jollies out of demeaning others and it makes you feel important? Got news for you SIB, I've been ignored by the best and you are nowhere near close to the best. Sooooo please, do me the "honor" of ignoring me, hmmmmmm???

[Seenitbefore]

sassysandy050 wrote:

<quoted text>I know, it is beneath your superior knowledge to speak with those of us lowly serfs. So, tell me, why DO you respond? Can't help yourself or you get your jollies out of demeaning others and it makes you feel important? Got news for you SIB, I've been ignored by the best and you are nowhere near close to the best. Sooooo please, do me the "honor" of ignoring me, hmmmmmm???

And you've said that so many times before too.

Again, because you haven't noticed, your presentation doesn't exactly come across as conversational. But then you've been told that by more than me also.

[sassysandy050]

Seenitbefore wrote:

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And you've said that so many times before too.
Again, because you haven't noticed, your presentation doesn't exactly come across as conversational. But then you've been told that by more than me also.

And yours continues to be arrogant and condescending, but that doesn't stop you does it?? In fact, your arrogance continues to grow. Perhaps you should "migrate" to another board that give you some "intellectual" stimulation. The Disney website should just about do it.

[abranger]

SIB, this thread was going along nice and friendly until your post of Nov. 4th (the one right after mine) at which point you came in as a troll with the sole intent of taking something out of context for the sake of starting an argument.

[Allende]

Liberals Stink wrote:

A true American does not enclude Liberals, who are anti-American.

Excuse me, I am "leftist" a "liberal," and this country is mine as much as it is yours. I served my country in the military, I vote, and I pay taxes. Doesn't that give me a right to my own political opinions? I am just as much an American as you.

[KCGR]

Thank you for your service.

Allende wrote:

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Excuse me, I am "leftist" a "liberal," and this country is mine as much as it is yours. I served my country in the military, I vote, and I pay taxes. Doesn't that give me a right to my own political opinions? I am just as much an American as you.

[Allende]

KCGR wrote:

Thank you for your service.
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Your welcome! Thanks.