created by: CitizenTopix | Oct 7, 2010

Michigan

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Michigan Felon Politician Ban Amendment, Proposal 2

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for American rights

Saranac, MI

#44 Oct 30, 2010
I just vote anything down that takes our rights as Americans away !

Since: Jan 08

Westland, MI

#45 Oct 31, 2010
Seems like a pretty easy yes vote to me.
RFist333

United States

#46 Oct 31, 2010
JustMe7 wrote:
Seems like a pretty easy yes vote to me.
It will invite "groups", then battle on the floor 2 years over issues per "group".

insssaaaaaaaane.
Sassy

Jackson, MI

#48 Nov 1, 2010
When you know the person that got the people with the felony in because they are somewhat related. They got the person in on a manufacturing line. Then when you know people that work on the line, and they hire temps and temps come up for hire, they refuse ANYONE that has a felony conviction, no matter if it happened when they were a kid doing something stupid or not. I know the person that got the relation w/ felony in. I also know some people on the line, not the felons, but I know those people have been turned away from hire because of felonies 20+ years ago. The person that got the felon in is in management, but felon works on line. To me 0 tolerance is 0 tolerance, and this person in managment opened up a whole can of worms within this company. It is a very large company too.
Voter wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with the first sentence of your statement, young a foolish, people change.(Depending on the seriousness of the offense.)
Sometimes that can happen based on the position a person is applying for. A person who is just working the line or assisting in some for of operation of a machine can in some businesses have a felony record, yet as for the position of say, an accountant or payroll clerk, Officer of that company, they are denied because of the felony conviction.
Other Companies are restricted from hiring felonies. The Casinos cannot hire a felony and you have to have an extensive background check. You cannot even have bad credit. Banks usually have this policy as well. The banks have to answer to the FDIC and the Casinos have to answer to the gaming commission. Most companies have to answer to their stockholders or Board of Directors. Smaller businesses may be unaware of a persons felony conviction, most of them don't actually do what they should which is background checks. Those that do, again have a choice to hire or not hire a person with a felony conviction based on position or their preference.
It's odd that you know felons. I have assisted in convicting people on felony counts, but to know one otherwise, or have knowledge of anyone having one, unless having done a background check for suspicion of one or to hire one, I can't say anyone I personally know of co-workers with a felony conviction. Then again, in my business we really don't have a position where a person can have a conviction on their record and be hired.
Voter

Grosse Pointe, MI

#50 Nov 1, 2010
I have re-read your comment, and I think I understand now that you are saying those temps who have a felony conviction have worked long enough as a temp and are coming up for hire are refused if they have a felony conviction. That also may be because of the policy, but also because usually when you hire a permanent employee from a temporary agency, you pay a premium (hiring fee) to that agency for that employee. Most employers will only choose the cream of the crop and unfortunately, a felony conviction most likely drops it down a couple of notches, no matter how many years, so it ends with only the non-felon temp workers being hired. That's not discimination as opposed to preference, it's the reason they can ask the question on the application form.

“Tell 'em about the twinkie.”

Since: Nov 10

Traverse City, Mi

#52 Nov 2, 2010
I don't think a felon should be able to work at Mc'Donalds, much less hold political office. They chose to commit the crime, they should suffer the consequences.
Skybear

Gaylord, MI

#54 Nov 2, 2010
I can't agree with casting a vote to elect someone who is a felon and can't vote themselves because of it. A felony is a major thing and it's on your record for life for a reason.

“lover”

Since: Feb 09

Dorr MI

#55 Nov 2, 2010
for American rights wrote:
I just vote anything down that takes our rights as Americans away !
I agree. If a person has a record I'm sure the opposition will dig it up. Let the voters decide if it's reason to not elect. We don't need more government.

“lover”

Since: Feb 09

Dorr MI

#56 Nov 2, 2010
Skybear wrote:
I can't agree with casting a vote to elect someone who is a felon and can't vote themselves because of it. A felony is a major thing and it's on your record for life for a reason.
Felons after release can vote.
Given the above restrictions, a Michigan resident confined in jail or prison that is awaiting arraignment or trial is eligible to register and vote. A Michigan resident who is serving a sentence in jail or prison after conviction cannot register or vote during his or her period of confinement. After a Michigan resident who is serving a sentence in jail or prison is released, he or she is free to participate in elections without restriction.
JoJo Dancer

Marlette, MI

#57 Nov 2, 2010
Let the people choose...that's why we vote, if we want a felon it's our choice...if we don't, well, that's our choice too. A choice that we are capable of making at the polls.

Our state government needs to spend time assisting the economy not amending the constitution.

Since: Apr 09

Wyoming

#58 Nov 3, 2010
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>The point is many that write cold checks are stealing too, but they don't do time.
One could label this the Marion Barry law. Going to have to think on this one. Seem on the surface as more style than substance.
While it is true that many that write cold checks are doing it intentionally, it is also true that the majority of bad checks are written by people who are just really bad and doing the math in their check register. I have a close friend who would not intentionally steal ever but while she is a brunette, she does bleach blond checkbook math. If it wasn't for the 1st National Bank of Mom to bail her out on a regular basis she would be in big trouble. But her intent is clearly not to steal. Whereas someone who shoplifts a $10 item has clear intent to steal. Now if someone makes the habit of bouncing checks all over and never pays the debt, that is a different issue.
Skybear

Gaylord, MI

#59 Nov 3, 2010
As far as I have known a felon can't vote ever again. Maybe I have incomplete information and it's only certain felons. Federal felons perhaps? In the situation I was close to that person was a federal felon and couldn't vote or get a passport.
Government Foe

Madison Heights, MI

#60 Nov 3, 2010
I think this will ruin Panfools plan of seeing Kwame run for office again in five years. You can always hope after 20 years, panny....lmao!
BULLY COP

Liverpool, NY

#61 Nov 3, 2010
THE BAD THING ABOUT THAT IS THE COPS ARE BIGGER CROOKS THEN THE CROOKS WHAT I HAVE SEEN COPS DO ON DUTY AND OFF IS REALLY SICKING THE PUBLIC BETTER WAKE UP WHEN IT COMES TO REPUTATION OF THESE SO CALLED PILLERS OF THE COMMUNITY THERE WORST THEN CRIMANALS IF THERE ONE THING I CANT STAND IS A LIEING COP AND BELIVE ME THERES A LOT OF THEM SCUMBAGS MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WORKS IN COURT SYSTEM ARE WORST THEN GANGESTERS
RFist333

United States

#62 Nov 3, 2010
BULLY COP wrote:
THE BAD THING ABOUT THAT IS THE COPS ARE BIGGER CROOKS THEN THE CROOKS WHAT I HAVE SEEN COPS DO ON DUTY AND OFF IS REALLY SICKING THE PUBLIC BETTER WAKE UP WHEN IT COMES TO REPUTATION OF THESE SO CALLED PILLERS OF THE COMMUNITY THERE WORST THEN CRIMANALS IF THERE ONE THING I CANT STAND IS A LIEING COP AND BELIVE ME THERES A LOT OF THEM SCUMBAGS MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WORKS IN COURT SYSTEM ARE WORST THEN GANGESTERS
I have always said, you need to be a criminal to catch a criminal.

They defend their power through lies, I guess it's the same since the beginning of man.

Not all cops or courts, but it's like it's the way they exist motivated from having power over individual lives.

However, I voted NO, this law ain't gonna fix anything.
Well mabye it will cut cost from not having to do as many checks.
Mongoose

Grand Rapids, MI

#63 Nov 4, 2010
BULLY COP wrote:
THE BAD THING ABOUT THAT IS THE COPS ARE BIGGER CROOKS THEN THE CROOKS WHAT I HAVE SEEN COPS DO ON DUTY AND OFF IS REALLY SICKING THE PUBLIC BETTER WAKE UP WHEN IT COMES TO REPUTATION OF THESE SO CALLED PILLERS OF THE COMMUNITY THERE WORST THEN CRIMANALS IF THERE ONE THING I CANT STAND IS A LIEING COP AND BELIVE ME THERES A LOT OF THEM SCUMBAGS MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WORKS IN COURT SYSTEM ARE WORST THEN GANGESTERS
Do you know what lower case, punctuation, proper spelling, modifier tenses, adverb usage and proper English composition is? Like: commas, periods, colons, semicolons and paragraphs?

When you didn't put a period after the first sentence and used "then" instead of "than"; I quit reading. This is the product of a first grade education and I won't waste my time trying to decipher what the message is.

Try again later and I'll give your second post a try.
RFist333

United States

#64 Nov 4, 2010
Mongoose wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you know what lower case, punctuation, proper spelling, modifier tenses, adverb usage and proper English composition is? Like: commas, periods, colons, semicolons and paragraphs?
When you didn't put a period after the first sentence and used "then" instead of "than"; I quit reading. This is the product of a first grade education and I won't waste my time trying to decipher what the message is.
Try again later and I'll give your second post a try.
I understood it perfectly,,,,,, and took the time to read it.....

So that makes you less smart.!!!!!
Sassy

Jackson, MI

#65 Nov 4, 2010
You have it almost. The temp that was hired in was a future son in law of a higher up. Not that he is not a good worker However, good workers on the floor are being denied permanant employee status because of the felony. The comment about paying premium payments doesn't wash, this company only hires through temps. Now can you see my point about opening up a can of worms. The felonies are similar, no embezzelment, just the same stupid stuff when younger.
Voter wrote:
I have re-read your comment, and I think I understand now that you are saying those temps who have a felony conviction have worked long enough as a temp and are coming up for hire are refused if they have a felony conviction. That also may be because of the policy, but also because usually when you hire a permanent employee from a temporary agency, you pay a premium (hiring fee) to that agency for that employee. Most employers will only choose the cream of the crop and unfortunately, a felony conviction most likely drops it down a couple of notches, no matter how many years, so it ends with only the non-felon temp workers being hired. That's not discimination as opposed to preference, it's the reason they can ask the question on the application form.
phk

Alpena, MI

#66 Nov 5, 2010
not in favor of it. Nelson Mandela would never been president if they had such a law in South Africa
Linda

Gaylord, MI

#67 Nov 5, 2010
It's not S Africa. Felons made a choice. I choose to hold them to their actions. A felony is no small matter. Choose to do the crime, lose a lot. Including being able to have a passport, vote or be elected. Makes sense to me. Not hard to stay out of trouble. I do it every day!

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