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Twinky

Saint Charles, IL

#1 Oct 23, 2009

“O__o ?”

Since: May 08

Grandville

#2 Oct 23, 2009
I heard about that. This is a tragedy for sure. It is nearly almost always fatal when a car slips off its jacks and pins a person underneath.

I have a sad feeling this is going to happen more often with the budget cuts and laying off of police and fire personnel.

I'm so sorry to this family.
Twinky

Saint Charles, IL

#3 Oct 23, 2009
I don't think this is the fault of Emergency Personnel at all

The neighbors heard a scream, but it doesn't appear that they had enough details to warrant sending anyone

Maybe the guy shouldn't have been working on the car alone

“Fear causes hesitation”

Since: Mar 09

Holland, MI

#4 Oct 23, 2009
Twinky wrote:
I don't think this is the fault of Emergency Personnel at all
The neighbors heard a scream, but it doesn't appear that they had enough details to warrant sending anyone
Maybe the guy shouldn't have been working on the car alone
I agree. The neighbor heard screams, yet didn't get off his/her fat butt to go and see where the screams were coming from and calls 911 instead.

“MI needs the death penalty! ”

Since: Jun 07

Kalkaska

#5 Oct 23, 2009
TV 8 is now reporting that he (the neighbor) heard several cries for help and all he did was go to his side door and look. If he was concerned enough to call 911, he should have went outside and looked around. I know I would have. Here is a lesson for those that do car repairs at home. NEVER EVER work on a car with only a jack holding the car up. Use jack stands and remove the jack. Put blocks behind the wheels so they cannot roll. Work on Level Ground. What a shame he learned this lesson the hard way.

“Just be you. ”

Since: May 08

Muskegon,MI

#6 Oct 23, 2009
8Ball wrote:
TV 8 is now reporting that he (the neighbor) heard several cries for help and all he did was go to his side door and look. If he was concerned enough to call 911, he should have went outside and looked around. I know I would have. Here is a lesson for those that do car repairs at home. NEVER EVER work on a car with only a jack holding the car up. Use jack stands and remove the jack. Put blocks behind the wheels so they cannot roll. Work on Level Ground. What a shame he learned this lesson the hard way.
I agree, but if you call 911 and report that you hear 'ungodly'(I believe are the words they used) screams coming from your neighbors home, I would think 911 should send someone to at least check it out. Sure the neighbor could have checked it out as well, but he DID call 911, which was the right thing to do.

“Fear causes hesitation”

Since: Mar 09

Holland, MI

#7 Oct 24, 2009
baseball wrote:
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I agree, but if you call 911 and report that you hear 'ungodly'(I believe are the words they used) screams coming from your neighbors home, I would think 911 should send someone to at least check it out. Sure the neighbor could have checked it out as well, but he DID call 911, which was the right thing to do.
I disagree. The right thing to do is go check on your neighbor. Dialing 911 is for emergency medical or police care, how do you know that is required unless you review the situation. 911 is not something that should be abused. It's not 911 role to be a babysitter and to make sure that the screams are or are not serious. That's what good neighbors do. My toddlers make ungodly screams all day long.

There's a very real chance that had the neighbors checked on him, they could have used the same jack to easily lift the car off the victim first, then call 911.

I think the neighbor's anger is based off his/her own guilt.
middle wing nutjob

Grandville, MI

#8 Oct 24, 2009
although this situation proved to be tragic and potentially avoidable, i'm rather certain that if i heard a few frantic screams and then silence, i would call 911, keep an eye out my window, and avoid being the next person that only has time to scream briefly...

“Just be you. ”

Since: May 08

Muskegon,MI

#9 Oct 24, 2009
TheBodhiZaffa wrote:
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I disagree. The right thing to do is go check on your neighbor. Dialing 911 is for emergency medical or police care, how do you know that is required unless you review the situation. 911 is not something that should be abused. It's not 911 role to be a babysitter and to make sure that the screams are or are not serious. That's what good neighbors do. My toddlers make ungodly screams all day long.
There's a very real chance that had the neighbors checked on him, they could have used the same jack to easily lift the car off the victim first, then call 911.
I have to disagree with you on that. Even if I had been that neighbor...I am much to small to have helped this person
(or to know how to get a jack up), try as I might. 911, would be the best bet. A toddler screaming and a man screaming for his LIFE,are two totally different sounds. The neighbor obviously, meant no harm when he called to TRY and get help to this person.

But all this is said as we sit at our computers...totally removed from the frantic situation. All we can say is what we think we would do if this were to ever happen to us. I know I would do what I could...but I would also call 911.

Thoughts go out to all involved.

Since: Jul 07

Grandville, MI

#10 Oct 24, 2009
Sorry but I have a police scanner & People will call 911 for stupid stuff all the time. Last week it was I'm allergic to my daughters cat! & they sent an ambulance.

I hear stuff like a car is parked in front of my house. Then you hear 2 cop cars speeding there only to finds someone broke down. Or how about I have the flu & don't have a car send an ambulance & they do!
Call a cab or a friend to take you to the ER! You don't call 911 for that!

BUT They could have sent someone to check on this. If you hear blood curdling screams Somethings wrong! If they stop all of a sudden Something More serous is wrong!
Twinky

Saint Charles, IL

#11 Oct 24, 2009
baseball wrote:
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I have to disagree with you on that. Even if I had been that neighbor...I am much to small to have helped this person
(or to know how to get a jack up), try as I might. 911, would be the best bet. A toddler screaming and a man screaming for his LIFE,are two totally different sounds. The neighbor obviously, meant no harm when he called to TRY and get help to this person.
But all this is said as we sit at our computers...totally removed from the frantic situation. All we can say is what we think we would do if this were to ever happen to us. I know I would do what I could...but I would also call 911.
Thoughts go out to all involved.
First of allAssHole, regardless of your size, I'm sure you would be able to at least help lift a vehicle off of someone

Second of all, what may sound like an "ungodly" scream to one, may not sound like such to someone else

Third of all, without details, an ambulance is isn't going to be sent based on just a "scream" of any sort, but maybe a Police Officer

If this guy died within 30 minutes, my guess is that he had too severe internal injuries in which an ambulance probably wouldn't have made a difference; And the scream he let out could have been as he passed away
Granny Smith

Rockford, MI

#12 Oct 24, 2009
Twinky wrote:
http://www.mlive.com/news/gran d-rapids/index.ssf/2009/10/wyo ming_woman_says_911_did_not.ht ml
This story has law suit written all over it.
Twinky

Saint Charles, IL

#13 Oct 24, 2009
outdoors lover wrote:
Sorry but I have a police scanner & People will call 911 for stupid stuff all the time. Last week it was I'm allergic to my daughters cat! & they sent an ambulance.
I hear stuff like a car is parked in front of my house. Then you hear 2 cop cars speeding there only to finds someone broke down. Or how about I have the flu & don't have a car send an ambulance & they do!
Call a cab or a friend to take you to the ER! You don't call 911 for that!
BUT They could have sent someone to check on this. If you hear blood curdling screams Somethings wrong! If they stop all of a sudden Something More serous is wrong!
And that is just it, from the report, there weren't even multiple screams but one scream
She claims 911 dispatchers didn't send help when the victim's neighbor called to report hearing an "ungodly scream."

Was the person who called 911 able to tell Exactly from where the scream came from?

It would be one thing if the neighbor were to report, "Hey, I heard this 'ungodly scream' from my neighbor's place; They're always fighting over there..."
But to just call and say that they heard an "ungodly scream" doesn't really warrant sending out the National Guard, especially this time of year with Halloween approaching...Some people go all out and make their homes a spook house for kids to go thru with "music" of screams and stuff playing

Since: Jul 07

Grandville, MI

#14 Oct 24, 2009
Twinky wrote:
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And that is just it, from the report, there weren't even multiple screams but one scream
She claims 911 dispatchers didn't send help when the victim's neighbor called to report hearing an "ungodly scream."
Was the person who called 911 able to tell Exactly from where the scream came from?
It would be one thing if the neighbor were to report, "Hey, I heard this 'ungodly scream' from my neighbor's place; They're always fighting over there..."
But to just call and say that they heard an "ungodly scream" doesn't really warrant sending out the National Guard, especially this time of year with Halloween approaching...Some people go all out and make their homes a spook house for kids to go thru with "music" of screams and stuff playing
I understand your point completely. I do. I just don't get how they can send 2 cop cars blaring to a broken down car or a person driving up & down a road who just happen to be looking for an address that was poorly marked & someone called it in saying there's a suspicious car in the neighborhood. LOL Hell I would have the cops called on me everyday! I'm horrid with directions. But they couldn't send someone out to at least check the neighborhood. Chances are the police wouldn't have seen him under the car & there was nothing that could be done. But there's always that chance.

I will have to check the article I read if I can find it. I believe they said he heard him scream quite a few times.
Twinky

Saint Charles, IL

#15 Oct 24, 2009
outdoors lover wrote:
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I understand your point completely. I do. I just don't get how they can send 2 cop cars blaring to a broken down car or a person driving up & down a road who just happen to be looking for an address that was poorly marked & someone called it in saying there's a suspicious car in the neighborhood. LOL Hell I would have the cops called on me everyday! I'm horrid with directions. But they couldn't send someone out to at least check the neighborhood. Chances are the police wouldn't have seen him under the car & there was nothing that could be done. But there's always that chance.
I will have to check the article I read if I can find it. I believe they said he heard him scream quite a few times.
And who knows, there very well may have been a Cruiser sent past the area to look for "suspicious activity" and like you said, may not have seen the guy under the car

From what the guy's fiancee' said, he was always working on the car, thus, the guy should have known better than to do so without someone close by; I believe those jacks, car ramps, etc, all come with some type of warning to always have someone else present when using

It just ticks me off that his fiancee' is quick to place blame on Emergency Personnel who save peoples' lives every day, but a 911 call in which the only information given is a "scream" or "ungodly scream" was heard with no other details, certainly, 911 operators are not to blame for this guy's death

Since: Jul 07

Grandville, MI

#16 Oct 24, 2009
Pensinger's fiance, Lydia Ronda, was showering and didn't hear his cries for help, but next door neighbor Walter Everin did.

"I heard this ungodly scream, so I jumped up and went to the side door, then I also heard several screams for help."

Everin tried to find where the screams were coming from, but when he couldn't, he called 9-1-1.

"I said I'm hearing some ungodly screams for help," Everin told 24 Hour News 8, "and (the 9-1-1 operator) says 'Do you hear them now?' And I said no. And he says,'well, if you hear them again call me back.'

"I'm hearing some ungodly screams for help"
It wasn't just screams it was screams for help!

http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kent_cou...
Twinky

Saint Charles, IL

#17 Oct 24, 2009
outdoors lover wrote:
Pensinger's fiance, Lydia Ronda, was showering and didn't hear his cries for help, but next door neighbor Walter Everin did.
"I heard this ungodly scream, so I jumped up and went to the side door, then I also heard several screams for help."
Everin tried to find where the screams were coming from, but when he couldn't, he called 9-1-1.
"I said I'm hearing some ungodly screams for help," Everin told 24 Hour News 8, "and (the 9-1-1 operator) says 'Do you hear them now?' And I said no. And he says,'well, if you hear them again call me back.'
"I'm hearing some ungodly screams for help"
It wasn't just screams it was screams for help!
http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kent_cou...
Now I'm REALLY confused! So this guy can hear these screams for help, he goes and investigates himself but he can't find where they're coming from but expects someone else to be able to?

It sounds to me like the guy who called not only didn't know what the emergency was but also didn't know where to send someone [???], so how is this the fault of Emergency Personnel?

“& My Favorite Dog Muttley ”

Since: Nov 07

Myrtle Beach, SC

#18 Oct 24, 2009
Twinky wrote:
<quoted text>It sounds to me like the guy who called not only didn't know what the emergency was but also didn't know where to send someone [???], so how is this the fault of Emergency Personnel?
I think that pretty much covers it - even if MSP had notified Wyoming PD of the call & then Wyoming sent a car to do an "area check" from where the 911 call originated - they still wouldn't have known where to look or what to look for - a very unfortunate situation for all involved but I can't put blame on the police or any other emergency responders - they just simply didn't have enough information.

Since: Jul 07

Grandville, MI

#19 Oct 24, 2009
Twinky wrote:
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Now I'm REALLY confused! So this guy can hear these screams for help, he goes and investigates himself but he can't find where they're coming from but expects someone else to be able to?
It sounds to me like the guy who called not only didn't know what the emergency was but also didn't know where to send someone [???], so how is this the fault of Emergency Personnel?
Oh I don't think anyone was at fault. I just think it wouldn't have hurt to check it out.
Given the crap I hear on the scanner everyday

Since: Jul 07

Grandville, MI

#20 Oct 24, 2009
Trouser Cough wrote:
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I think that pretty much covers it - even if MSP had notified Wyoming PD of the call & then Wyoming sent a car to do an "area check" from where the 911 call originated - they still wouldn't have known where to look or what to look for - a very unfortunate situation for all involved but I can't put blame on the police or any other emergency responders - they just simply didn't have enough information.
I agree they might not have found him Being he was under a car. I'm that wouldn't have even crossed their mind. It was not their fault this man died.
I just think a drive through the area would have been the right thing to do.
I'm sure the neighbor gave his address to the dispatcher so they would have know the general area.

But NO I don't for think it was their fault.

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