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Alvin

Grand Rapids, MI

#21 May 18, 2009
Constitutional Mark wrote:
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Then don't read my posts. Very simple.
And you will notice that other than homosexual 'marriage' and abortion, it is very infrequent that I speak of my religion.
I wasn't speaking personally about you, frankly, there are so many folks that contribute here I have a hard time keeping everyone straight. Guess one persons "witnessing" is anothers "shoving" and seldom do folks get convinced to change their core beliefs.

“ACLU--Jihad with a law degree”

Since: Sep 08

Lovington, NM

#22 May 18, 2009
Alvin wrote:
<quoted text>I wasn't speaking personally about you, frankly, there are so many folks that contribute here I have a hard time keeping everyone straight. Guess one persons "witnessing" is anothers "shoving" and seldom do folks get convinced to change their core beliefs.
I agree, but just as you espouse your liberal beliefs, I will espouse my conservative and religious beliefs.

It really is a 2-way street, just some like to use Christianity as a target.

“You're gonna make it after all”

Since: May 09

Wyoming, MI

#23 May 18, 2009
I am bothered by what appears to be a constant theme of labeling. Even in the heat of it I catch myself labeling "liberals".

Partisanship in our leaders cannot be attained if voters cannot behave with that attiude. What is funny is the perception of 'religion' being 'forced down' anyones' throat. I would suggest to you that nobody can make you 'EAT' anything pertaining to joining a religion. But I do recognize that our laws are often directed by the religious beliefs of those lawmakers as much or moreso than there party itself.

The stimulous package was to me a real life example of it being 'forced down' somebody's throat. You had ALL the Republicans saying "NO - Not a good idea" 'more work should be done' and the Democrats forging ahead without respect to the those views because chicken little said the sky was falling. Being quick to be decisive and move ahead because you think it's in the best interest of the nation can have both rewards & penalties. When GW went ahead and pushed Congress into approving Iraq in spite of not having all Allies on board - that was 'shoving it down one's throat'. But both sides should be careful about 'shoving' and more concerned with KNOWING that there actions are well thought out plans and not a hair-brained half-thought out idea like Ethenol.

Since: Dec 08

Ottawa County

#24 May 18, 2009
A true conservative would oppose any fundamental change.
Alvin

Grand Rapids, MI

#26 May 18, 2009
Constitutional Mark wrote:
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I agree, but just as you espouse your liberal beliefs, I will espouse my conservative and religious beliefs.
It really is a 2-way street, just some like to use Christianity as a target.
As well you should. Point being that a religious argument for a political point doesn't sit well with respect to separation of church and state, doesn't mean you can't give it a try just explaining how it is received by some. I don't think you can separate the two. Your version of Christianity becomes a target when you throw it in a political discussion, if you kept it out it might not be a "target."
Alvin

Grand Rapids, MI

#27 May 18, 2009
Businessminded_plus4 wrote:
I am bothered by what appears to be a constant theme of labeling. Even in the heat of it I catch myself labeling "liberals".
Partisanship in our leaders cannot be attained if voters cannot behave with that attiude. What is funny is the perception of 'religion' being 'forced down' anyones' throat. I would suggest to you that nobody can make you 'EAT' anything pertaining to joining a religion. But I do recognize that our laws are often directed by the religious beliefs of those lawmakers as much or moreso than there party itself.
The stimulous package was to me a real life example of it being 'forced down' somebody's throat. You had ALL the Republicans saying "NO - Not a good idea" 'more work should be done' and the Democrats forging ahead without respect to the those views because chicken little said the sky was falling. Being quick to be decisive and move ahead because you think it's in the best interest of the nation can have both rewards & penalties. When GW went ahead and pushed Congress into approving Iraq in spite of not having all Allies on board - that was 'shoving it down one's throat'. But both sides should be careful about 'shoving' and more concerned with KNOWING that there actions are well thought out plans and not a hair-brained half-thought out idea like Ethenol.
Guess "W" is really Chicken Little then. I recall him on national TV on a Friday afternoon telling the nation that something "had to be done soon, even this weekend." Many are conveniently forgetting that, not me :)

“friends are forever”

Since: Dec 08

Sparta

#28 May 18, 2009
Constitutional Mark wrote:
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While this can be true, I don't consider telling one's beliefs about God 'shoving it down their throats'.
Christians have been commanded to witness about their faith and unfortunately, some take this too far. If you ask me about my beliefs, I will tell you. If you choose to ignore what I say, there is nothing I can do about it. That is as far as I will go.
As for the question, I think it's rather misleading. Obviously, I am very conservative. However, because we already as a state do legislate morality, I believe it is the gov't's responsibility to maintain the traditional family for the good of the country. This would also include not allowing no-fault divorces.
Morality is in many things, whether we like it or not.
I think it gets back to the root of the situation, what is goverment's purpose.
And since we are talking about homosexuality and what this debate is leading to, read this:
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Perspectives/Defaul...
I keep hearing that phrase, shoving it down their throats, & I wonder how can anyone shove anything down ones throat unless their mouth is open? The same way with a closed mind! The word respect seems to be just a word to some. I agree with
what you've posted except the no-fault divorces.
And that is only because it saves the children from all the bad, bad stuff that comes with the proof part. Children suffer when their parents divorce without adding to it.
I read the article & it's scary to think we could be heading in that direction. I think we were warned that these things will happen in the end times! Food for thought. Thanks, God Bless!

“You're gonna make it after all”

Since: May 09

Wyoming, MI

#29 May 18, 2009
Alvin wrote:
<quoted text>Guess "W" is really Chicken Little then. I recall him on national TV on a Friday afternoon telling the nation that something "had to be done soon, even this weekend." Many are conveniently forgetting that, not me :)
Yes - I'm not afraid to call GW Chicken Little either. I'm NOT suggesting we were not or have not been heading into financial troubles. What has concerned me is the depths to which our 'leaders' think they can somehow interphere and stop some of that. Ups & downs are normal - the depths is what we as a nation are not used to but I guess from where I sit 'new life' often is the blessing from a forest fire.

Since: Oct 08

Jackson, MI

#30 May 18, 2009
Constitution guarantees freedom of religion in that the government can not "sanctify" a state religion .. however, quid pro quo, everyone has freedom from religion, also ... no single religion can force others to live by their standards.

“Go Red Wings!!!”

Since: Oct 07

Plainfield Township MI

#31 May 18, 2009
A true conservative would get the government out of our personal, private and business lives and let the free market take its course instead of trying to mess with it. A true conservative would also be against higher taxes and would be against government wasteful spending.

“Go MSU Spartans!”

Since: Oct 08

Kalamazoo, MI

#32 May 20, 2009
Xenthan wrote:
True or false...a TRUE conservative would....
Respect a State's right to allow same sex marriages?
A true conservative would never have allowed the state to get involved in the marriage business in the first place. Marriages would be left to the various religious groups SEPARATE from the state like they should be. Then, if the state wanted to write laws that benefit couples (gay or straight), they could do so by endorsing state-sanctioned civil unions and this would have been a non-issue.

Since: Oct 08

Jackson, MI

#33 May 20, 2009
spartanman wrote:
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A true conservative would never have allowed the state to get involved in the marriage business in the first place. Marriages would be left to the various religious groups SEPARATE from the state like they should be. Then, if the state wanted to write laws that benefit couples (gay or straight), they could do so by endorsing state-sanctioned civil unions and this would have been a non-issue.
There ya go takin' the steam out of the locomotive again ...

“friends are forever”

Since: Dec 08

Sparta

#34 May 20, 2009
spartanman wrote:
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A true conservative would never have allowed the state to get involved in the marriage business in the first place. Marriages would be left to the various religious groups SEPARATE from the state like they should be. Then, if the state wanted to write laws that benefit couples (gay or straight), they could do so by endorsing state-sanctioned civil unions and this would have been a non-issue.
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