True or false...a TRUE conservative would....

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Since: Jul 08

Pontiac, MI

#1 May 17, 2009
True or false...a TRUE conservative would....
Respect a State's right to allow same sex marriages?

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Since: Dec 08

Sparta

#2 May 17, 2009
False!!!!

Since: Oct 07

Big Rapids, MI

#3 May 18, 2009
Xenthan wrote:
True or false...a TRUE conservative would....
Respect a State's right to allow same sex marriages?
False. A true conservative would only respect a State that allowed it's residents to vote on any type of contentious issue.

True or false.... a TRUE liberal would.....
Expect the State to legislate without regards to will of the majority of it's residents?

Since: Jul 08

Pontiac, MI

#4 May 18, 2009
BR Bean Counter wrote:
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False. A true conservative would only respect a State that allowed it's residents to vote on any type of contentious issue.
True or false.... a TRUE liberal would.....
Expect the State to legislate without regards to will of the majority of it's residents?
Ah but this is my point. If the citizens of a state voted to allow same sex marriage a true conservative would have to respect that right?
Gadfly13

San Antonio, TX

#5 May 18, 2009
I believe a true conservative would say the state should have as little power as possible over the personal/intimate choices made by adults.

Since: Jul 08

Pontiac, MI

#6 May 18, 2009
BR Bean Counter wrote:
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False. A true conservative would only respect a State that allowed it's residents to vote on any type of contentious issue.
What...and not the outcome of said vote?
Ryan

Jenison, MI

#7 May 18, 2009
A true conservative would look at the moral, legal, and governmental issues and make an informed decision.

Since: Oct 07

Big Rapids, MI

#8 May 18, 2009
Xenthan wrote:
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Ah but this is my point. If the citizens of a state voted to allow same sex marriage a true conservative would have to respect that right?
I must have misread or misunderstood your initial post when you said that conservatives should "Respect the State", which I interpreted as being the government.

This of course made me think of California, where the State at first said yes, and then the Voters said no. I would have to wonder how anyone could respect the State, if the will of the people out there was overturned again. Which is exactly what the losing liberal party seems to be trying to accomplish either through the legislature and/or the courts.

When the voice of the voters is ignored, then the concept of representative government has failed. It would be little wonder that people, regardless of their party, would fail to respect them.
The Binkman

Grandville, MI

#9 May 18, 2009
BR Bean Counter wrote:
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I must have misread or misunderstood your initial post when you said that conservatives should "Respect the State", which I interpreted as being the government.
This of course made me think of California, where the State at first said yes, and then the Voters said no. I would have to wonder how anyone could respect the State, if the will of the people out there was overturned again. Which is exactly what the losing liberal party seems to be trying to accomplish either through the legislature and/or the courts.
When the voice of the voters is ignored, then the concept of representative government has failed. It would be little wonder that people, regardless of their party, would fail to respect them.
I agree. But Some folks out there seem to think
this is okay as long as it goes along with there
personnel beliefs. Just my opinion.
John M

Rockford, MI

#10 May 18, 2009
A fiscal Conservative would believe that neither the State or the Federal govt had any buisness in this mess and it should be left up to the private sector to determine this. WHich most likely end up allowing gays a cival union but not marriage,

A Social Conservative would want their opinions and ideas forced down the throats of everyone regardless of their opinions and usually that opinion they own would be held and enforced by the Christian Right. Hence why the Republican Party is on the outside looking in.
Alvin

Grand Rapids, MI

#11 May 18, 2009
John M wrote:
A fiscal Conservative would believe that neither the State or the Federal govt had any buisness in this mess and it should be left up to the private sector to determine this. WHich most likely end up allowing gays a cival union but not marriage,
A Social Conservative would want their opinions and ideas forced down the throats of everyone regardless of their opinions and usually that opinion they own would be held and enforced by the Christian Right. Hence why the Republican Party is on the outside looking in.
If I could elaborate a tad. It's my understanding that it is very important with the Christian Right to "spread their faith" and basically shove down anyone's throat within earshot their religious beliefs, and they have carried that aspect into their political beliefs. People get tired of having just about anything shoved down their throats. JMO

Since: Oct 07

Big Rapids, MI

#12 May 18, 2009
John M wrote:
A fiscal Conservative would believe that neither the State or the Federal govt had any buisness in this mess and it should be left up to the private sector to determine this. WHich most likely end up allowing gays a cival union but not marriage,
A Social Conservative would want their opinions and ideas forced down the throats of everyone regardless of their opinions and usually that opinion they own would be held and enforced by the Christian Right. Hence why the Republican Party is on the outside looking in.
After an initial gagging reflex, I always have to laugh at how many people use the phrase "shoving something down others throats" when describing various social conservatives. Isn't that what they are disgusted about to begin with?

Just Kidding, Mostly!
GR Paul

West Bloomfield, MI

#13 May 18, 2009
Xenthan wrote:
True or false...a TRUE conservative would....
Respect a State's right to allow same sex marriages?
Constitutionalists would respect a state right to recognize a union between two people or whatever for legal or tax purposes.

However, they can also morally believe that recognition of unions between two men or two women or three people or a person and their dog, are completely wrong, and thus fight against THEIR state recognizing those.

“ACLU--Jihad with a law degree”

Since: Sep 08

Knoxville, TN

#14 May 18, 2009
Alvin wrote:
<quoted text>If I could elaborate a tad. It's my understanding that it is very important with the Christian Right to "spread their faith" and basically shove down anyone's throat within earshot their religious beliefs, and they have carried that aspect into their political beliefs. People get tired of having just about anything shoved down their throats. JMO
While this can be true, I don't consider telling one's beliefs about God 'shoving it down their throats'.

Christians have been commanded to witness about their faith and unfortunately, some take this too far. If you ask me about my beliefs, I will tell you. If you choose to ignore what I say, there is nothing I can do about it. That is as far as I will go.

As for the question, I think it's rather misleading. Obviously, I am very conservative. However, because we already as a state do legislate morality, I believe it is the gov't's responsibility to maintain the traditional family for the good of the country. This would also include not allowing no-fault divorces.

Morality is in many things, whether we like it or not.

I think it gets back to the root of the situation, what is goverment's purpose.

And since we are talking about homosexuality and what this debate is leading to, read this:

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Perspectives/Defaul...
Alvin

Grand Rapids, MI

#15 May 18, 2009
Constitutional Mark wrote:
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While this can be true, I don't consider telling one's beliefs about God 'shoving it down their throats'.
Christians have been commanded to witness about their faith and unfortunately, some take this too far. If you ask me about my beliefs, I will tell you. If you choose to ignore what I say, there is nothing I can do about it. That is as far as I will go.
As for the question, I think it's rather misleading. Obviously, I am very conservative. However, because we already as a state do legislate morality, I believe it is the gov't's responsibility to maintain the traditional family for the good of the country. This would also include not allowing no-fault divorces.
Morality is in many things, whether we like it or not.
I think it gets back to the root of the situation, what is goverment's purpose.
And since we are talking about homosexuality and what this debate is leading to, read this:
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Perspectives/Defaul...
That's the catch with this, you are "witnessing" when not asked and that can be considered to some, being shoved down their throat. Most don't care about your religious beliefs while talking about politics.

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Since: Sep 08

Dutchville

#16 May 18, 2009
I'm no expert on true conservatives- not being one or even being around them very much, but it seems to me a "true" conservative, when faced with the state making a law he/she deems immoral, will do whatever they can to have that law overturned.

So I would answer Xen's question: False, they would NOT respect the states right to allow gar marriage (not civil union, but true marriage, right?)
Busket

Rockford, MI

#17 May 18, 2009
Constitutional Mark wrote:
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While this can be true, I don't consider telling one's beliefs about God 'shoving it down their throats'.
Christians have been commanded to witness about their faith

I believe it is the gov't's responsibility to maintain the traditional family for the good of the country.
You seem to have a lot more in common with al qaeda than mainstream Americans. They think they have been commanded to impose their religious moral values too.

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Since: May 09

Grand Rapids, MI

#18 May 18, 2009
It's a fascinating question. I consider myself a conservative but NOT a member of the GOP. I do not currently attend a church but here is what I believe.

"Marriage" ceremonies are typically done in a church setting and with a member of the clergy so it is to be in the "eyes of God". It is a ceremony of a 'promise' to the one you love under the eyes of the Lord and those whom attend the ceremony.

Same sex marriages are not supported in the bible and thus there should not be 'marriages' done in that same ceremony. However, I DO believe that Gays deserve the same 'rights' under our constitution that is allowed under a marriage. Particularly as it pertains to healthcare, pensions, divorce, etc.

We are a country based on religious freedom and to not allow freedom's based on a religion is as dangerous as forcing one religion on the whole.

“ACLU--Jihad with a law degree”

Since: Sep 08

Knoxville, TN

#19 May 18, 2009
Alvin wrote:
<quoted text>That's the catch with this, you are "witnessing" when not asked and that can be considered to some, being shoved down their throat. Most don't care about your religious beliefs while talking about politics.
Then don't read my posts. Very simple.

And you will notice that other than homosexual 'marriage' and abortion, it is very infrequent that I speak of my religion.

“ACLU--Jihad with a law degree”

Since: Sep 08

Knoxville, TN

#20 May 18, 2009
Busket wrote:
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You seem to have a lot more in common with al qaeda than mainstream Americans. They think they have been commanded to impose their religious moral values too.
Good to see you have such a great command of the English language that you can't comprehend what I wrote.

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