When I see people with oval stickers on their car that say "26.2" or "tri", I

Created by OJ Simpson on Aug 6, 2011

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laugh at their desperation

think running is an activity, not a sport

ignore their pretentiousness

predict a heart attack waiting to happen

find it to be an annoying cliche'

pull in front of them and then slam on my brakes

Fred

Grand Blanc, MI

#21 Aug 8, 2011
Bikola wrote:
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SO...let me get this straight..You are pointing out that I mentioned my vacations, which I did - to make a point about how I don't need a sticker to let everyone know where I went. Apparently you were trying to make an inference that I was bragging? Not at all, just making a point. Of course it's not sour grapes. Why would it be? Maybe if I couldn't go on vacation, or vacationed in a porta-potty or something, I would have sour grapes. Your argument, however, doesn't make sense.
Regarding Dave Ramsey...if people want to celebrate getting out of debt - you are right - that's great. But do you see people putting stickers on their cars that say "56K" because they paid off $56,000 in debt? No! Of course, now that I say that, it'll probably happen somewhere!
You are correct, Bikola. It's all about shameless self-promotion for these people with the oval stickers. Why can't they be quietly proud of their achievements? Some of these people are desperate to make some kind of statement. Maybe they have nothing going on in their lives, or are having a mid-life crisis or something. It's all about "Keeping Up With the Joneses" or "Keeping Up With the Kardahsians" for these people. It's the "People Magazine" mentality that rots our culture.

“Hooray for summer!”

Since: Nov 08

Somewhere up north

#22 Aug 8, 2011
Bikola wrote:
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SO...let me get this straight..You are pointing out that I mentioned my vacations, which I did - to make a point about how I don't need a sticker to let everyone know where I went. Apparently you were trying to make an inference that I was bragging? Not at all, just making a point. Of course it's not sour grapes. Why would it be? Maybe if I couldn't go on vacation, or vacationed in a porta-potty or something, I would have sour grapes. Your argument, however, doesn't make sense.
Regarding Dave Ramsey...if people want to celebrate getting out of debt - you are right - that's great. But do you see people putting stickers on their cars that say "56K" because they paid off $56,000 in debt? No! Of course, now that I say that, it'll probably happen somewhere!
I just have a more "live and let live" attitude I suppose.

However, my argument isn't flawed in the fact that you did roll out personal status to make whatever point you were trying to make. Sour grapes-not necessarily, but keeping up with the Jones' that you are ranting against...imo, yes. Not that it bothers me, everyone has their own reasons to toot their own horn how they need to. You did the same thing, just in a different venue.
Fred

Grand Blanc, MI

#23 Aug 8, 2011
strong woman wrote:
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I just have a more "live and let live" attitude I suppose.
However, my argument isn't flawed in the fact that you did roll out personal status to make whatever point you were trying to make. Sour grapes-not necessarily, but keeping up with the Jones' that you are ranting against...imo, yes. Not that it bothers me, everyone has their own reasons to toot their own horn how they need to. You did the same thing, just in a different venue.
Why are you attacking Bikola? It's unwarranted, and just simply wrong. Bikola was just creating a scenario to make a point.

I think you're just trying to make excuses for all the self-promotion.
Bikola

Cumming, GA

#24 Aug 8, 2011
Well, if mentioning my 2 vacations to prove a point about how I don't put a sticker on my car to show off is "tooting my own horn," can I ask why you use the user ID "strong woman?" Isn't that sort of tooting your own horn? I mean, clearly it's the opposite of saying "Weak Dude" or something like that. You use it because you want other people to a) think you are a strong woman or b) you are trying to convince yourself of that. Correct? I am assuming it's choice 'A.' If you use that kind of user name, you are trying to project to other people some sort of message about who you are. Just like the people who put stickers on their cars: they are trying to project an image of themselves to other people. Their message is: look at me, I'm important.

I'm not saying that the use of 'strong woman' is comparable to putting a sticker on your car, don't get me wrong. I am just saying that you are using it to project a certain image. And people who put stickers on their cars use those to project a different image.

Whether or not we all have a need to 'toot our own' horn is debatable. Again, mentioning my vacations was meant merely as a basis for comparing my actions to other people's. I don't walk around daily pointing out the destinations to which I've traveled. However, using it one time in a thread to make a point would hardy classify, IMO, as tooting my own horn. No one here knows me. No one sees who I am. I'm not driving around in my vehicle every day shouting it out to people. So, I'd hardly call that tooting my own horn.
Bikola

Cumming, GA

#25 Aug 8, 2011
I'm just trying to point out certain things.

“Hooray for summer!”

Since: Nov 08

Somewhere up north

#26 Aug 8, 2011
Fred wrote:
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Why are you attacking Bikola? It's unwarranted, and just simply wrong. Bikola was just creating a scenario to make a point.
I think you're just trying to make excuses for all the self-promotion.
No attacking (albeit there are plenty of examples of attacks on this and other threads), just engaging in discussion. Disagreements don't have to be synonymous with attacks, I do however, enjoy debating with others.

Bikola created a scenario to make a point that employed a similar tactic than the people he or she was speaking against. That's fair to bring up in debate.

“Hooray for summer!”

Since: Nov 08

Somewhere up north

#27 Aug 8, 2011
Bikola wrote:
Well, if mentioning my 2 vacations to prove a point about how I don't put a sticker on my car to show off is "tooting my own horn," can I ask why you use the user ID "strong woman?" Isn't that sort of tooting your own horn? I mean, clearly it's the opposite of saying "Weak Dude" or something like that. You use it because you want other people to a) think you are a strong woman or b) you are trying to convince yourself of that. Correct? I am assuming it's choice 'A.' If you use that kind of user name, you are trying to project to other people some sort of message about who you are. Just like the people who put stickers on their cars: they are trying to project an image of themselves to other people. Their message is: look at me, I'm important.
I'm not saying that the use of 'strong woman' is comparable to putting a sticker on your car, don't get me wrong. I am just saying that you are using it to project a certain image. And people who put stickers on their cars use those to project a different image.
Whether or not we all have a need to 'toot our own' horn is debatable. Again, mentioning my vacations was meant merely as a basis for comparing my actions to other people's. I don't walk around daily pointing out the destinations to which I've traveled. However, using it one time in a thread to make a point would hardy classify, IMO, as tooting my own horn. No one here knows me. No one sees who I am. I'm not driving around in my vehicle every day shouting it out to people. So, I'd hardly call that tooting my own horn.
Sure, I could see where one would think my moniker is tooting my own horn, and I'm okay with that. Remember, I am debating on the side of those bumper stickers being no big deal. Does that offend you though?

We do, in life, choose how we present ourselves to the world, whether that comes from our clothing, our language, our behavior patterns, how we treat others, and yes, what we choose to put on (or remove from) our cars. No one lives in a benign bubble of total neutrality...at least I HOPE no one does. We are all on these threads because we have a desire to express our opinions, in the slippery slope of this discussion, that too can be thought of as tooting our own horns.

Do I believe you NEED to tell others about your vacations? Not by any means. And good for you for having the resources available to you to take those. But do you see how easy it is for any little statement (verbal or otherwise) we make to be construed as "bragging"?

I don't believe that marathon runners are trying to project some sense of superiority above others by the bumper stickers in question. But if that is one of the ways they measure their worth-more power to 'em. I say congratulations on a job well done. Who knows how much they may have overcome to achieve that little number-much like I believe you stated that it would be great for someone to celebrate getting off food stamps, or I referenced getting out of debt. Heck, if I saw someone with a bumper sticker that said "I paid off all my credit card debt!" I would genuinely be happy for that person. What I haven't understood in this discussion is why you (and others) take issue with someone else's successes.
Nubbin

Grand Blanc, MI

#28 Aug 8, 2011
strong woman wrote:
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Sure, I could see where one would think my moniker is tooting my own horn, and I'm okay with that. Remember, I am debating on the side of those bumper stickers being no big deal. Does that offend you though?
We do, in life, choose how we present ourselves to the world, whether that comes from our clothing, our language, our behavior patterns, how we treat others, and yes, what we choose to put on (or remove from) our cars. No one lives in a benign bubble of total neutrality...at least I HOPE no one does. We are all on these threads because we have a desire to express our opinions, in the slippery slope of this discussion, that too can be thought of as tooting our own horns.
Do I believe you NEED to tell others about your vacations? Not by any means. And good for you for having the resources available to you to take those. But do you see how easy it is for any little statement (verbal or otherwise) we make to be construed as "bragging"?
I don't believe that marathon runners are trying to project some sense of superiority above others by the bumper stickers in question. But if that is one of the ways they measure their worth-more power to 'em. I say congratulations on a job well done. Who knows how much they may have overcome to achieve that little number-much like I believe you stated that it would be great for someone to celebrate getting off food stamps, or I referenced getting out of debt. Heck, if I saw someone with a bumper sticker that said "I paid off all my credit card debt!" I would genuinely be happy for that person. What I haven't understood in this discussion is why you (and others) take issue with someone else's successes.
Lady, you are all about yourself. No one wants to hear this.
Fred

Grand Blanc, MI

#29 Aug 8, 2011
Old Rocker wrote:
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Certainly you can communicate on a higher level than that...
Wait...
Maybe you can't.
Hey old man, how about a nice warm glass of shut the hell up for you
Bikola

Cumming, GA

#30 Aug 8, 2011
strong woman wrote:
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What I haven't understood in this discussion is why you (and others) take issue with someone else's successes.
I do have to say that your arguments are well thought out and well presented. I appreciate a debate in which the arguments are rational.
However, I still disagree with you on the sticker thing.
The reasoning behind my disagreement with you is what I am not apparently conveying successfully.
I disagree with the stickers, not because of what they stand for inherently, but for what they collectively say about our society.
Thirty years ago, the only stickers you saw on the bumpers of cars were in relation to political candidates, or some silly slogan. Today, the things that adorn cars are all aimed at self-praise and attention to things, places and accomplishments.
If, for example, a few of these stickers existed on various vehicles around the country, I would probably more easily be persuaded that someone was honestly "celebrating" an accomplishment. However, because that is not the case and because I see these stickers on just about every car on the planet, my conclusion is that everyone is attempting to keep up with the Joneses. I have seen cars where there are so many stickers, I'm not quite sure where my attention is supposed to be. Is it on the sticker that says the son plays football? Is it on the sticker that tells me where they vacation? Is it supposed to be on the sticker that says they ran a marathon?
Think about it: What is the rational for all the stickers? Do you really think it's for 'celebration' rather than attention? If it's for personal celebration, why put it on your automobile?
Let me state it this way: If I want to celebrate that I ran a marathon, couldn't I just throw myself a celebratory dinner at my home, or that of my friend or family member and really celebrate that accomplishment with people who KNOW ME AND CARE? Why on earth would I care if the hundreds of people who pass by me on the road know whether or not I've completed a marathon?
The intention behind these stickers is plain and simple: it' to draw attention to self. People are obsessed with self these days, and it trickles down to our children, and then we wonder why everyone is so screwed up.
I am not at all against celebration of personal victory or accomplishment. I am against the force-feeding of it, and shoving it down my throat. I'm not interested in seeing it on everyone's cars. Totally overdone, and totally over-used.

“Hooray for summer!”

Since: Nov 08

Somewhere up north

#31 Aug 9, 2011
Bikola wrote:
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I do have to say that your arguments are well thought out and well presented. I appreciate a debate in which the arguments are rational.
However, I still disagree with you on the sticker thing.
The reasoning behind my disagreement with you is what I am not apparently conveying successfully.
I disagree with the stickers, not because of what they stand for inherently, but for what they collectively say about our society.
Thirty years ago, the only stickers you saw on the bumpers of cars were in relation to political candidates, or some silly slogan. Today, the things that adorn cars are all aimed at self-praise and attention to things, places and accomplishments.
If, for example, a few of these stickers existed on various vehicles around the country, I would probably more easily be persuaded that someone was honestly "celebrating" an accomplishment. However, because that is not the case and because I see these stickers on just about every car on the planet, my conclusion is that everyone is attempting to keep up with the Joneses. I have seen cars where there are so many stickers, I'm not quite sure where my attention is supposed to be. Is it on the sticker that says the son plays football? Is it on the sticker that tells me where they vacation? Is it supposed to be on the sticker that says they ran a marathon?
Think about it: What is the rational for all the stickers? Do you really think it's for 'celebration' rather than attention? If it's for personal celebration, why put it on your automobile?
Let me state it this way: If I want to celebrate that I ran a marathon, couldn't I just throw myself a celebratory dinner at my home, or that of my friend or family member and really celebrate that accomplishment with people who KNOW ME AND CARE? Why on earth would I care if the hundreds of people who pass by me on the road know whether or not I've completed a marathon?
The intention behind these stickers is plain and simple: it' to draw attention to self. People are obsessed with self these days, and it trickles down to our children, and then we wonder why everyone is so screwed up.
I am not at all against celebration of personal victory or accomplishment. I am against the force-feeding of it, and shoving it down my throat. I'm not interested in seeing it on everyone's cars. Totally overdone, and totally over-used.
I can agree that it is not the most original practice in the country, but we just difference on whether or not it bothers us. or instance, I find this "poll" obnoxious with the lame choices of answers to the original questions. Where is the "silently appreciate them for passing on the fast food and keeping insurance rates down" button?

I just don't see oval stickers as a "shoving down one's throat" situation. And I really don't agree that this is something that damages children...especially when we talk about honor roll or sports stickers. I think that having parents take tangible pride in their kids' lives is a really good thing for kids. I know too many who feel ignored by their family.

I don't think you are a terrible person for your opinion, but I think that in terms of the sociological impact of these, we differ greatly. I would reference a worse cosmetic choice for a car would be things like vulgar language, or those nasty testicles on some vehicles. Sure, they are free to do that, but is it necessary? No, and I believe it shows a lack of class. My feelings about those things are probably just a different side of the same coin. But you have to admit, this poll is too biased to lead to a real productive conversation...

“Hooray for summer!”

Since: Nov 08

Somewhere up north

#32 Aug 9, 2011
Just out of curiousity, do you take offense to people putting college stickers on their cars?
Bikola

Cumming, GA

#33 Aug 9, 2011
strong woman wrote:
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I don't think you are a terrible person for your opinion, but I think that in terms of the sociological impact of these, we differ greatly. I would reference a worse cosmetic choice for a car would be things like vulgar language, or those nasty testicles on some vehicles. Sure, they are free to do that, but is it necessary? No, and I believe it shows a lack of class. My feelings about those things are probably just a different side of the same coin. But you have to admit, this poll is too biased to lead to a real productive conversation...
By far, the dangling 'balls' on the back of vehicles are worse than the oval stickers. I guess I just figure that those are placed on vehicles by people who have a) very little education b)a lack of morals or c) no regard for anyone else.

The stickers, to me, are an indication of the person's desire to get attention or 'props' from other people driving around. Why would someone seek to gain attention from strangers in other vehicles? Even those dangling 'balls' are done for more of a shock value than for bragging rights, agreed? In fact, some have argued on this and other threads that it's done to compensate for a lack of something! So, those things are just sad and pathetic. I think most people agree.

My supposition is that the stickers are mostly put on cars by middle-class Americans who have taken a trip somewhere, or run in a 5K and then want to brag about it to everyone. These are the same parents who sign their child up fo every sport and force them to go to football practice in 100 degree + heat, and then are surprised when they collapse and die. Really? That's a shocker? Last week, at least two high school students DIED because they were out playing football in weather that had the heat index of over 100 degrees. Who does that to their child? We get all upset when someone leaves their child in a car in this heat and that child dies. What's the difference between that and forcing your child to put on 30+ pounds of football gear and practice that sport in over 100 degree weather? I just don't get it. Their parents, however, probably have a football helmet magnet on the back of their car, with their child's name on it - just to let you know that their child plays football.

If I was convinced that every parent out there placed all these stickers on their cars simply because they wanted to build up their child, and make their child feel great, I'd applaud it. Unfortunately, there are far too many parents who are trying to live vicariously through their children, or who just want the praise for themselves, and don't really care about how their child feels at all.

The saying goes, "Parenting begins in the home." Right? It doesn't begin on your vehicle. If you want to praise your child, and make them feel good about themselves, bring them up the right way. Make sure they aren't watching garbage TV shows, playing video games all day, spending time with morally bankrupt people, listening to disgusting music on the radio. Be there every night to tuck them in. Tell them they are smart or pretty or talented. You don't need a sticker on your car to do that for you. Is that supposed to take the place of actually telling your child how great they are?
Bkyer

Wayland, MI

#34 Aug 9, 2011
Bikola wrote:
You know, if eveyone has the same sticker on their car, wat on earth is the point? It would mean something if only a few people had it. But when every other car on the planet has this 26.2 sticker on their car, I really don't find anything special about it. And, what's the deal with this anyway? Why does everyone need public recognition that they ran a marathon? What do they want, a cookie? I don't get it one bit. It's worse BY FAR than the people that put the "honor student" bumper stickers on their cars...honestly..it's all about people and their egos and their "Look at me" bragging attitudes. I'm fed up with it.
Why are you wasting your precious time on this frivolous rant! Aren't you quite busy looking out for all the babies being born into dire circumstances? C'mon get with it...start coughing up your time and money for these kids...there's millions of them, all because it's wrong for the moms to have abortions.
Chandra

United States

#35 Aug 9, 2011
Bkyer wrote:
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Why are you wasting your precious time on this frivolous rant! Aren't you quite busy looking out for all the babies being born into dire circumstances? C'mon get with it...start coughing up your time and money for these kids...there's millions of them, all because it's wrong for the moms to have abortions.
Why are YOU wasting your time on this frivolous rant? Is it because you are ignorant? Maybe you should just go out and spread STDs like you normally do and then causing abortions and expecting the government to pay for them? Your ignorance and bigotry is just sickening. Clearly you are uneducated and ignorant.
Doc Coathook

Caledonia, MI

#36 Aug 9, 2011
Bkyer wrote:
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Why are you wasting your precious time on this frivolous rant! Aren't you quite busy looking out for all the babies being born into dire circumstances? C'mon get with it...start coughing up your time and money for these kids...there's millions of them, all because it's wrong for the moms to have abortions.
Abort the moms to, problem solved.
Fred

United States

#37 Aug 9, 2011
Doc Coathook wrote:
<quoted text>Abort the moms to, problem solved.
And abort the gays, too. That would solve a lot of problems as well.
Fred

Byron Center, MI

#38 Aug 9, 2011
Fred wrote:
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And abort the gays, too. That would solve a lot of problems as well.
That's the other Fred. I don't care if someone is gay.
Fred

United States

#39 Aug 9, 2011
Fred wrote:
<quoted text>That's the other Fred. I don't care if someone is gay.
Which is why if abortion is OK, it is OK to abort a child that you think might turn out to be gay, because it's all a choice, right? No one should interfere with that choice.
Bikola

Cumming, GA

#40 Aug 9, 2011
Bkyer wrote:
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Why are you wasting your precious time on this frivolous rant! Aren't you quite busy looking out for all the babies being born into dire circumstances? C'mon get with it...start coughing up your time and money for these kids...there's millions of them, all because it's wrong for the moms to have abortions.
As always, I LOVE how pro-abortionists are the only ones allowed to hate. They HATE the pro-life movement because it's one moral topic that forces people to really look into why they support such a thing. Saying that killing unborn children is OK is really disgusting. And, so the pro-abortion people HATE on pro-life people.

Everyone goes all crazy when a white, urban, middle class college girl goes missing and winds up dead somewhere because some crack-pot killed her. People went nuts when the WTC and Pentagon were attacked. Thousands died.

But, millions have died at the hand of abortionists, and that's supposed to be OK? How sick are we, as a society, to allow the killing of our own children?

Also, I didn't know that you were the Grand Rapids Forum Moderator. I didn't realize that I was banned from commenting on more than one topic.

I'm assuming BKYER that you have a sticker on your car that says, "MY BODY, MY CHOICE" right? Or there's the one I love that says, "Keep the government's hands off my body." That's really classy too!

How about this for a bumper sticker: "Keep your pants zipped up."

Then, we wouldn't have to have a pro-life or pro-abortion debate.

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