ACA Sticker Shock? You're Just Stupid

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Oneal

Three Rivers, MI

#1 Dec 23, 2013
http://news.yahoo.com/health-plan-sticker-sho...

[Increasingly, experts in health insurance are becoming concerned that many of these first-time buyers will be in for a shock when they get medical care next year and discover they're on the hook for most of the initial cost...

For those without insurance — about 15 percent of the population— "the lesson is it's important to understand the total cost of ownership of a plan," said Matt Eyles, a vice president of Avalere Health, a market analysis firm. "You just don't want to look only at the premium."...

Hospitals are worried that those who rack up uncovered medical bills next year won't be able to pay them, perpetuating one of the problems the new health care system is supposed to solve...

The complexities of insurance are eye-glazing even for those who have it. Only 14 percent of American adults with insurance understand deductibles, according to one recent study...]

So, if you wind up paying through the teeth for your fancy new Obama Tinfoil plan, don't blame the democrats - you're obviously just too stupid to understand the complexities of health care, Obama-style.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Hart, MI

#2 Dec 23, 2013
We Conservatives warned the "USEFUL IDIOTS" this would happen...... Nice eh? My penalty will be over $1,000 instead of the much touted $95.00 they repeated in the media...... You see, they inserted a provision that they will take 1% of your Gross income which ever is greater........ Dems are going down.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#3 Dec 24, 2013
Oneal wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/health-p lan-sticker-shock-ahead-buyers -160838205.html
[Increasingly, experts in health insurance are becoming concerned that many of these first-time buyers will be in for a shock when they get medical care next year and discover they're on the hook for most of the initial cost...
For those without insurance — about 15 percent of the population— "the lesson is it's important to understand the total cost of ownership of a plan," said Matt Eyles, a vice president of Avalere Health, a market analysis firm. "You just don't want to look only at the premium."...
Hospitals are worried that those who rack up uncovered medical bills next year won't be able to pay them, perpetuating one of the problems the new health care system is supposed to solve...
The complexities of insurance are eye-glazing even for those who have it. Only 14 percent of American adults with insurance understand deductibles, according to one recent study...]
So, if you wind up paying through the teeth for your fancy new Obama Tinfoil plan, don't blame the democrats - you're obviously just too stupid to understand the complexities of health care, Obama-style.
The second half of this article is especially revealing with regards to obamacare imploding in on itself...and the massive tab the taxpayers are going to have to pay.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/with-gift-to-ho...

“Where I came from”

Since: Jan 09

the universe

#4 Dec 24, 2013
Fundamental transformation. Why oh why did not one media outlet question him on this statement? They never did and now we see some of the result of course we got three more years of things yet to be revealed by the tyrant and chief.

Just remeber all of BHO apologists we told you back in 2004 about this guy.
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#5 Dec 24, 2013
Shoeless Eluder wrote:
Fundamental transformation. Why oh why did not one media outlet question him on this statement? They never did and now we see some of the result of course we got three more years of things yet to be revealed by the tyrant and chief.
Just remeber all of BHO apologists we told you back in 2004 about this guy.
For the same reason the little progressive trolls on this site refuse to engage in an intelligent conversation regarding who and what they really voted for ... twice. They support the anti-American revolution.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Fenton, MI

#6 Dec 24, 2013
Oneal wrote:
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For the same reason the little progressive trolls on this site refuse to engage in an intelligent conversation regarding who and what they really voted for ... twice. They support the anti-American revolution.
That's if they have any intelligence....... So far I see no logic in their arguments.....

“It ain't gonna suck itself.”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#7 Dec 24, 2013
“During the 3-1/2 years of World War 2 that started with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in December 1941 and ended with the Surrender of Germany and Japan in 1945, the U.S. produced; 22 aircraft carriers, 8 battleships, 48 cruisers, 349 destroyers, 420 destroyer escorts, 203 submarines, 34 million tons of merchant ships, 100,000 fighter aircraft, 98,000 bombers, 24,000 transport aircraft, 58,000 training aircraft, 93,000 tanks, 257,000 artillery pieces, 105,000 mortars, 3,000,000 machine guns, and 2,500,000 military trucks.

We put 16.1 million men in uniform in the various armed services, invaded Africa, invaded Sicily and Italy, won the battle for the Atlantic, planned and executed D-Day, marched across the Pacific and Europe, developed the atomic bomb and ultimately conquered Japan and Germany.

It’s worth noting, that during the almost exact amount of time, the Obama administration couldn’t build a functioning web site.”
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#8 Dec 24, 2013
Oneal wrote:
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For the same reason the little progressive trolls on this site refuse to engage in an intelligent conversation regarding who and what they really voted for ... twice. They support the anti-American revolution.
What a joke!

So you want to engage in an intelligent conversation and we have to rely on it being with a collection of so called patriots that pollute these threads.

We could start by asking Shoeless about the warning he gave us about a president FOUR YEARS before he was elected to that office. I don't see any reason to say anything to someone who should already know what I was going to say in this reply back in 2009!

Should we have this intelligent conversation on this specific thread, or do we have to repeat it on all of the hundred or so threads you've started because you don't want to buy health insurance?

How about the good doctor and all of the others who think it would be a waste of good arms and ammunition to talk about anything?

Will we include Gville Jimmy, or is he too busy trying to figure out how many rounds of golf this current president is playing?

I'm sure you'll want the pole dancing pervert to pitch in with more of his brilliant posts!

Once you've rounded up your merry band of clueless idiots, then we can start out with how the majority of elected officials voted for a program, and how that is anti-American. Because until the Retardicans take over running the government, your version of the constitution must have a clause that says the minority rules!
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Fenton, MI

#9 Dec 24, 2013
Bob wrote:
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What a joke!
So you want to engage in an intelligent conversation and we have to rely on it being with a collection of so called patriots that pollute these threads.
We could start by asking Shoeless about the warning he gave us about a president FOUR YEARS before he was elected to that office. I don't see any reason to say anything to someone who should already know what I was going to say in this reply back in 2009!
Should we have this intelligent conversation on this specific thread, or do we have to repeat it on all of the hundred or so threads you've started because you don't want to buy health insurance?
How about the good doctor and all of the others who think it would be a waste of good arms and ammunition to talk about anything?
Will we include Gville Jimmy, or is he too busy trying to figure out how many rounds of golf this current president is playing?
I'm sure you'll want the pole dancing pervert to pitch in with more of his brilliant posts!
Once you've rounded up your merry band of clueless idiots, then we can start out with how the majority of elected officials voted for a program, and how that is anti-American. Because until the Retardicans take over running the government, your version of the constitution must have a clause that says the minority rules!
Yet you still don't have any useful information....... Just the same old name calling and vulgarities.... I think your band of "useful idiots"(your patriarch's phrase, not mine) are at the door trying to open it..... There is a sign on it that they refuse to read.......... Pull to Open....... They keep pushing.....

“Where I came from”

Since: Jan 09

the universe

#10 Dec 24, 2013
Just waiting for the backlash and glad I will never have deal with it. Is it not so wonderful he / they granted and extra day, oh thank youu Mr President you arrre sooOO caring and kind to us for allowing us to have another day weee cant thank you enough oh powerful BHO we know that you knew what the American people want oh wise and wonderful BHO . Oh benevolent leader grant us all our worldly needs with a wave of your perfect hand you cast your spell with your hypnotizing hand gestures.
Robin Jernigan

Euless, TX

#11 Dec 24, 2013
Protest Obamacare! Join the Amish Church at amishhomechurch.com . This qualifies as an exemption under Obamacare. I did.

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#12 Dec 25, 2013
Bob wrote:
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What a joke!

Will we include Gville Jimmy, or is he too busy trying to figure out how many rounds of golf this current president is playing?
I'm sure you'll want the pole dancing pervert to pitch in with more of his brilliant posts!
You really are a joke Bob, You see, as I've said in the past, I really don't care about President Obama playing golf. You seem to have some sort of comprehension problem. I like to play golf myself. I don't keep track of how often Obama play's golf.

Merry Christmas!
Phil

Oxford, MI

#13 Dec 25, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>What a joke!

So you want to engage in an intelligent conversation and we have to rely on it being with a collection of so called patriots that pollute these threads.

We could start by asking Shoeless about the warning he gave us about a president FOUR YEARS before he was elected to that office. I don't see any reason to say anything to someone who should already know what I was going to say in this reply back in 2009!

Should we have this intelligent conversation on this specific thread, or do we have to repeat it on all of the hundred or so threads you've started because you don't want to buy health insurance?

How about the good doctor and all of the others who think it would be a waste of good arms and ammunition to talk about anything?

Will we include Gville Jimmy, or is he too busy trying to figure out how many rounds of golf this current president is playing?

I'm sure you'll want the pole dancing pervert to pitch in with more of his brilliant posts!

Once you've rounded up your merry band of clueless idiots, then we can start out with how the majority of elected officials voted for a program, and how that is anti-American. Because until the Retardicans take over running the government, your version of the constitution must have a clause that says the minority rules!
So are you trying to convince us you are not the one and only poledancer. Sure boob whatever you say it's Christmas.

“Where I came from”

Since: Jan 09

the universe

#14 Dec 25, 2013
Here is a fix just thought of it, 15% of your premium should be returned to you if you used none of your insurance and if you did then it should be averaged for every other expense .

Another thought a healthy person gets fined for being a non user for being someone who doesn't run to the doctor for any reason from a sniffle to a sliver. For being informed and aware of symptoms and knows his/her body and how it functions better than other doctor/politician knows
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#15 Dec 26, 2013
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>Yet you still don't have any useful information....... Just the same old name calling and vulgarities.... I think your band of "useful idiots"(your patriarch's phrase, not mine) are at the door trying to open it..... There is a sign on it that they refuse to read.......... Pull to Open....... They keep pushing.....
Just the same old name calling and vulgarities....

Okay......

So you want to slam me for calling names, and the very next sentence implies "useful idiots"?

Stick to the more Christian posts about sheep...... I'm sure in your book that isn't vulgar!
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#16 Dec 26, 2013
Phil wrote:
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So are you trying to convince us you are not the one and only poledancer. Sure boob whatever you say it's Christmas.
I'm sure that Dingbat is happy to see that you've risen above your normal drivel and made an effort to start a intelligent conversation.

Then again......... Just how many poles have you sniffed in your lifetime?
Phil

Oxford, MI

#18 Dec 26, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sure that Dingbat is happy to see that you've risen above your normal drivel and made an effort to start a intelligent conversation.

Then again......... Just how many poles have you sniffed in your lifetime?
Well thanks for the complement boob. It is true that I have been around many pole dancers in my younger years. The difference is they were female pole dancers and they did the dancing. Sometimes even my leg was the pole. Let's just face it, I'm not like you. I'm not into the same sex. To each his own boob. I hope that you got all the gay gifts you wanted. Happy New Year boob!
Oneal

Three Rivers, MI

#19 Dec 26, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
What a joke!
So you want to engage in an intelligent conversation and we have to rely on it being with a collection of so called patriots that pollute these threads.
We could start by asking Shoeless about the warning he gave us about a president FOUR YEARS before he was elected to that office. I don't see any reason to say anything to someone who should already know what I was going to say in this reply back in 2009!
Should we have this intelligent conversation on this specific thread, or do we have to repeat it on all of the hundred or so threads you've started because you don't want to buy health insurance?
How about the good doctor and all of the others who think it would be a waste of good arms and ammunition to talk about anything?
Will we include Gville Jimmy, or is he too busy trying to figure out how many rounds of golf this current president is playing?
I'm sure you'll want the pole dancing pervert to pitch in with more of his brilliant posts!
Once you've rounded up your merry band of clueless idiots, then we can start out with how the majority of elected officials voted for a program, and how that is anti-American. Because until the Retardicans take over running the government, your version of the constitution must have a clause that says the minority rules!
How about you start with one intelligent comment on ANY thread, Bob? You've trolled this site for over five years, yet I challenge anyone to find a single intelligent comment or insightful link you've provided toward any subject.
Oneal

Three Rivers, MI

#20 Dec 26, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sure that Dingbat is happy to see that you've risen above your normal drivel and made an effort to start a intelligent conversation.
Then again......... Just how many poles have you sniffed in your lifetime?
Case in point.
Oneal

Three Rivers, MI

#21 Dec 26, 2013
Shoeless Eluder wrote:
Here is a fix just thought of it, 15% of your premium should be returned to you if you used none of your insurance and if you did then it should be averaged for every other expense .
Another thought a healthy person gets fined for being a non user for being someone who doesn't run to the doctor for any reason from a sniffle to a sliver. For being informed and aware of symptoms and knows his/her body and how it functions better than other doctor/politician knows
That might have been a viable perk in the previous insurance system, but not under Obamacare. The fact is ACA needs every last nickel of healthy payers' contributions to make up for the massive amounts of users drawing from the service. There are so few young, healthy people signing up for this fiasco now that taxpayers are already going to be on the hook when Obamacare proves itself unsustainable. The last thing they're going to do is start refunding law-abiding participants' contributions.

You're going to see the same if not more people flooding the emergency rooms thanks to Obamacare.
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-05-...

[“There’s nothing more appalling than being treated in a hallway,” says James Dunford, medical director of the city of San Diego’s Emergency Medical Services system, who also works at Hillcrest.“Soon,” he says,“it’s going to be worse.”

Dunford anticipates that the Affordable Care Act will bring a surge of patients to his ER and those around the country—the opposite of what’s supposed to happen. The law’s backers argued it would help alleviate stress on overcrowded emergency rooms. The 25 million people expected to receive insurance under Obamacare, they reasoned, would make appointments with a doctor instead of turning to ERs for care.

Yet a nationwide shortage of primary-care doctors, especially in poor and rural areas, will make it difficult for many of the newly insured to find a personal physician. ER managers say they’re bracing for previously uninsured patients who came to the hospital when they needed acute medical attention to begin showing up, insurance cards in hand, for routine medical care. The overcrowding “we see now is going to pale in comparison with what we’ll see” once the health-care overhaul takes full effect starting in 2014, says Ryan Stanton, director of emergency medicine at UK HealthCare Good Samaritan Hospital in Lexington, Ky.]

Liberalism always results in the exact opposite of it's stated intent!

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