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#111 Feb 18, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Exaggerating just a little aren't you there Blue? got your undies in a bunch again? the deficit you speak of wasn't at 10.6 Trillion when GW left, but nice try. you would get a whole lot further with your temper tantrums if you had the stones to post some links to your information or did your get your "facts" from an AP story, again?
If it was'nt $10.6 trillion, then it was more.....perhap's you have some proof, but i doubt it....
pipedream

Flint, MI

#112 Feb 18, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Exaggerating just a little aren't you there Blue? got your undies in a bunch again? the deficit you speak of wasn't at 10.6 Trillion when GW left, but nice try. you would get a whole lot further with your temper tantrums if you had the stones to post some links to your information or did your get your "facts" from an AP story, again?
You're too stupid to understand it but I'll say it again for you. Most of that deficit you say was added by Obama actually was Georges. In the form of unfunded wars, prescription coverage, TARP, The Great Recession, the tax breaks to the 1%'ers, etc., etc., etc. Its all out there on the web and elsewhere. Go find it big shot. Come back and report when you do.
Really

Berrien Springs, MI

#113 Feb 18, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>If it was'nt $10.6 trillion, then it was more.....perhap's you have some proof, but i doubt it....
Ummmm, here's just one of many for you Blue. And it's from CNN, NOT Fox News. The Deficit as of January 20, 2009 when Barack Obama took over. Not even close to the $10.6 Trillion BS you quoted.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/13/news/economy/...

here's another one from ABC News....have fun!
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/09/...

Now,perhaps you would like to post YOUR links proving the $10.6 Trillion number you have been throwing around lately???
I don't think you will, however, in fact, I suspect you will just ignore this and pretend I didn't answer you.
Really

Berrien Springs, MI

#114 Feb 18, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
You're too stupid to understand it but I'll say it again for you. Most of that deficit you say was added by Obama actually was Georges. In the form of unfunded wars, prescription coverage, TARP, The Great Recession, the tax breaks to the 1%'ers, etc., etc., etc. Its all out there on the web and elsewhere. Go find it big shot. Come back and report when you do.
IF you can read, which I highly doubt, follow the links I put up for your buddy Blue. Neither of you have a clue what the actual numbers were, but you sure love to blame Bush for everything. And by the way? The TARP funds were paid back and the government pissed them away instead of paying down the debt as they promised they would do. And the TARP? 50% of it was spent by GW and the other 50% was released to OBAMA per his request. In addition, the $787 billion stimuless was added to the deficit as well. Go find it and read it for yourself. Sorry, most economic news doesn't come with pictures for the edification of the ignorant.

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#115 Feb 18, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Ummmm, here's just one of many for you Blue. And it's from CNN, NOT Fox News. The Deficit as of January 20, 2009 when Barack Obama took over. Not even close to the $10.6 Trillion BS you quoted.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/13/news/economy/...
here's another one from ABC News....have fun!
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/09/...
Now,perhaps you would like to post YOUR links proving the $10.6 Trillion number you have been throwing around lately???
I don't think you will, however, in fact, I suspect you will just ignore this and pretend I didn't answer you.
What more can i say but....I AM EMBARRASSED FOR YOU.....THOSE ARE BOTH ARTICLES ABOUT THE YEAR'S TOTALS.....if you are truly that lame, please don't try so hard.....maybe, there is a night course, that might help you....

“The One and Only”

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#116 Feb 18, 2013
Quack.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#117 Feb 18, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>IF you can read, which I highly doubt, follow the links I put up for your buddy Blue. Neither of you have a clue what the actual numbers were, but you sure love to blame Bush for everything. And by the way? The TARP funds were paid back and the government pissed them away instead of paying down the debt as they promised they would do. And the TARP? 50% of it was spent by GW and the other 50% was released to OBAMA per his request. In addition, the $787 billion stimuless was added to the deficit as well. Go find it and read it for yourself. Sorry, most economic news doesn't come with pictures for the edification of the ignorant.
I'm trying to figure out what you're getting at here other than the deficit wasn't $10.6Trillion.

It does clearly point out the track for it reaching the $7.2Trillion was set during the Bush years.
"The deficit has ballooned in the first quarter of the fiscal year as the Treasury, Federal Reserve and FDIC began spending record amounts of the $7.2 trillion committed so far to bailouts, financial stabilization efforts and capital investments. The numerous emergency actions began as a result of the credit crisis that started in mid-September.

A decline in tax receipts, stemming from the 1.5 million jobs lost in the first three months of the fiscal year, also contributed to the soaring deficit."
http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/13/news/economy/...
The article being written in January 2009
pipedream

Flint, MI

#118 Feb 18, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>What more can i say but....I AM EMBARRASSED FOR YOU.....THOSE ARE BOTH ARTICLES ABOUT THE YEAR'S TOTALS.....if you are truly that lame, please don't try so hard.....maybe, there is a night course, that might help you....
The fact is Really is incapable of understanding budgets, deficits, or cause and effect of policies,spending, taxes under Bush that led the the Great Recession. If they still make guys like him sit at the front of the class with a dunce cap on, Really is there all the time. No more intellect or critical thinking skills than the neanderthal man.

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#119 Feb 18, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact is Really is incapable of understanding budgets, deficits, or cause and effect of policies,spending, taxes under Bush that led the the Great Recession. If they still make guys like him sit at the front of the class with a dunce cap on, Really is there all the time. No more intellect or critical thinking skills than the neanderthal man.
I just can't get over that...she succeeded in finding two articles...not even close to the conversation.....
Really

Berrien Springs, MI

#120 Feb 18, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>What more can i say but....I AM EMBARRASSED FOR YOU.....THOSE ARE BOTH ARTICLES ABOUT THE YEAR'S TOTALS.....if you are truly that lame, please don't try so hard.....maybe, there is a night course, that might help you....
You don't like those numbers? Okay, google "deficit total as of January 20, 2009"..those are the numbers Obama took over with. I can't help it if you disagree with the numbers. And they are from sources you should approve of. Of course, I'm not surprised you don't like the numbers. In fact, I predicted you wouldn't and that you would do exactly what you did. Your comprehension skills are lacking, not mine.
Really

Berrien Springs, MI

#121 Feb 18, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm trying to figure out what you're getting at here other than the deficit wasn't $10.6Trillion.
It does clearly point out the track for it reaching the $7.2Trillion was set during the Bush years.
"The deficit has ballooned in the first quarter of the fiscal year as the Treasury, Federal Reserve and FDIC began spending record amounts of the $7.2 trillion committed so far to bailouts, financial stabilization efforts and capital investments. The numerous emergency actions began as a result of the credit crisis that started in mid-September.
A decline in tax receipts, stemming from the 1.5 million jobs lost in the first three months of the fiscal year, also contributed to the soaring deficit."
http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/13/news/economy/...
The article being written in January 2009
It was written in January 2009 because Blue claimed that Obama took over with a 10.6 TRILLION deficit. These articles refute his numbers totally. I can also find articles that explain how the deficit ballooned as quickly as it did after Obama took over. I didn't post that one because it was not addressing what he said. You clowns don't like Fox News, you don't like CNN, you don't like ABC News... apparently if it isn't NBC or CBS you can't stomache it???? WTH??????
Really

Berrien Springs, MI

#122 Feb 18, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact is Really is incapable of understanding budgets, deficits, or cause and effect of policies,spending, taxes under Bush that led the the Great Recession. If they still make guys like him sit at the front of the class with a dunce cap on, Really is there all the time. No more intellect or critical thinking skills than the neanderthal man.
You are the one with the neanderthal brain. You and your buddy Blue. I said that GW did NOT leave a 10.6 Trillion $$ deficit for Obama. Both articles confirm what the deficit was when Obama took office. I refuse to lead you to water and then cram your empty head into the pond to force you to drink. Now, go back to Mommy's basement and resume your drugs and video games.
Really

Berrien Springs, MI

#123 Feb 18, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>I just can't get over that...she succeeded in finding two articles...not even close to the conversation.....
Don't like the numbers? PUT UP NUMBERS PROVING YOUR 10.6 TRILLION ASSERTION. Otherwise, shut up about the size of the deficit which you truly don't know what it was when Obama took over and you don't know OR care what it is now.

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#124 Feb 18, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Biggest recession, since the great depression, 500,000 monthly job losses,$10.6 Trillion in deficit and two unfunded wars.....that is what GW, left when he flew back to Crawford....DISPUTE THAT.....
Isnt that back when the dems had complete control of the House AND Senate?
Go figure?
What's the debt now?
It's almost $17 trillion!
Good thing we have a $150 Million dollar battery plant up here with 100 employee's that hasn't produced one battery yet!

John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton voted to enter those "unfunded" wars.
It's odd that I dont see you putting any blame on them.
Just Bush for some reason,.......
Go figure......
Really

Berrien Springs, MI

#125 Feb 18, 2013
Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>Isnt that back when the dems had complete control of the House AND Senate?
Go figure?
What's the debt now?
It's almost $17 trillion!
Good thing we have a $150 Million dollar battery plant up here with 100 employee's that hasn't produced one battery yet!
John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton voted to enter those "unfunded" wars.
It's odd that I dont see you putting any blame on them.
Just Bush for some reason,.......
Go figure......
I have no idea how they will survive when they can't blame Bush anymore for anything. Their entire world will collapse and I envision them assuming the fetal position with their thumbs in their mouth.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#126 Feb 18, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text> It was written in January 2009 because Blue claimed that Obama took over with a 10.6 TRILLION deficit. These articles refute his numbers totally. I can also find articles that explain how the deficit ballooned as quickly as it did after Obama took over. I didn't post that one because it was not addressing what he said. You clowns don't like Fox News, you don't like CNN, you don't like ABC News... apparently if it isn't NBC or CBS you can't stomache it???? WTH??????
I have to refute that. You clowns(?) don't like....ABC News? You don't remember me posting a rebuttal to you using ABC and you tried to slam me against the wall for using the left wing ABC News?

I'm not afraid of the none you didn't post because it explained how the deficit ballooned as quickly as it did after Obama.

For one thing "In January 2009, just before President Obama took office, the budget office projected a $1.2 trillion deficit for 2009 and deficits in subsequent years, based on continuing Mr. Bush’s policies and the effects of recession. Mr. Obama’s policies in 2009 and 2010, including the stimulus package, added to the deficits in those years but are largely temporary.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sun... ;

My point being here, I'm not trying to "blame it all on Bush". I'm showing it's not all on Obama's shoulders. Especially for not being a magic man and just cleaning it all up the way so many say he should just have been able to.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#127 Feb 18, 2013
Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>Isnt that back when the dems had complete control of the House AND Senate?
Go figure?
What's the debt now?
It's almost $17 trillion!
Good thing we have a $150 Million dollar battery plant up here with 100 employee's that hasn't produced one battery yet!
John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton voted to enter those "unfunded" wars.
It's odd that I dont see you putting any blame on them.
Just Bush for some reason,.......
Go figure......
Oh come on. In one breath it's "Isn't that back when the dems had complete control of the House and Senate, while in the next breath it's "what's the debt now"? Missing the House is strangle hold in control of the House now?

And the $150million battery plant? It's during this administration that they repaid the $84million? And then again it wasn't LG Chem's doing the money was misused in the first place?

So to counter the chances a private corporation is going to misuse the subsidies the government gives them to help build up business we should stop subsidizing businesses altogether? It's about time you start agreeing with me. I've been saying all along we need to stop subsidizing these private corporations, both domestic and foreign, that don't need the money in the first place. Just taking the hand outs to improve their profit margins, investor returns, executive salaries and bonuses etc. Subsidies that only reduce their risk at the tax payer expense while the conservatives are so fond of saying business takes the risk so they deserve the profits. So where is the tax payers share of the profits for taking the risks?

And here all this time I thought you'd never some around.
Really

Berrien Springs, MI

#129 Feb 19, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>
I have to refute that. You clowns(?) don't like....ABC News? You don't remember me posting a rebuttal to you using ABC and you tried to slam me against the wall for using the left wing ABC News?
I'm not afraid of the none you didn't post because it explained how the deficit ballooned as quickly as it did after Obama.
For one thing "In January 2009, just before President Obama took office, the budget office projected a $1.2 trillion deficit for 2009 and deficits in subsequent years, based on continuing Mr. Bush’s policies and the effects of recession. Mr. Obama’s policies in 2009 and 2010, including the stimulus package, added to the deficits in those years but are largely temporary.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sun... ;
My point being here, I'm not trying to "blame it all on Bush". I'm showing it's not all on Obama's shoulders. Especially for not being a magic man and just cleaning it all up the way so many say he should just have been able to.
And I was NOT attempting to address the causes of the deficit. Nor was I trying to give the numbers that Obama has spent since being in office. We have had that argument ad nauseum and it got us nowhere because we don't like each others numbers. I was addressing Blue's "Bush left Obama a $10.6 Trillion $$ deficit" comment. I merely proved, with 2 sources, that the deficit on January 20, 2009 was NOT 10.6 Trillion $$. As for us saying Obama should have been a "magic man", perhaps you forgot is campaign of 2008 where he said, "I will cut the deficit in half by the end of my first term"? While the left was so busy screaming and crying about Bush not keeping promises, you are very busy making excuses for Obama. Just to name a couple: gas prices (Bush was blamed completely for the gas prices), unemployment (Bush blamed entirely). With Obama we hear: "The President has nothing to do with gas prices" and "Bush lost all those jobs, Obama is not to blame for the unemployment." So, I dispute your assertion that you are not blaming Bush entirely. That is all that has been done for 4+ years. I foresee (to quote a commercial) that the next 4 years will only be more of the same. I have a new name for Mr. Obama,"President dodge and weave".
Really

Berrien Springs, MI

#130 Feb 19, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>
I have to refute that. You clowns(?) don't like....ABC News? You don't remember me posting a rebuttal to you using ABC and you tried to slam me against the wall for using the left wing ABC News?
I'm not afraid of the none you didn't post because it explained how the deficit ballooned as quickly as it did after Obama.
For one thing "In January 2009, just before President Obama took office, the budget office projected a $1.2 trillion deficit for 2009 and deficits in subsequent years, based on continuing Mr. Bush’s policies and the effects of recession. Mr. Obama’s policies in 2009 and 2010, including the stimulus package, added to the deficits in those years but are largely temporary.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sun... ;
My point being here, I'm not trying to "blame it all on Bush". I'm showing it's not all on Obama's shoulders. Especially for not being a magic man and just cleaning it all up the way so many say he should just have been able to.
"Mr. Obama's policies in 2009 and 2010 including the stimulus package, added to the deficits in those years but are largely temporary." Really?? I didn't realize "temporary" was a relative term. Apparently the NYT didn't know what the actual deficit numbers were when this piece was published? More likely, they were ignoring the actual numbers because they didn't fit with the "agenda."

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#131 Feb 19, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Ummmm, here's just one of many for you Blue. And it's from CNN, NOT Fox News. The Deficit as of January 20, 2009 when Barack Obama took over. Not even close to the $10.6 Trillion BS you quoted.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/13/news/economy/...
here's another one from ABC News....have fun!
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/09/...
Now,perhaps you would like to post YOUR links proving the $10.6 Trillion number you have been throwing around lately???
I don't think you will, however, in fact, I suspect you will just ignore this and pretend I didn't answer you.
These articles discuss year's deficits....NOT CLOSE TO THE SUBJECT....PLEASE DON'T CONTINUE YOUR ACTING THE FOOL.......

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