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Ronald

United States

#41 Dec 27, 2012
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

No emotions. Just the law. Good I'm glad you said that.
What does regulated mean then?
"regulated militia"

not

"regulated gun"

" the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Not

the right of the people to keep and bear regulated arms, shall not be infringed.
SeenItBefore

Three Rivers, MI

#42 Dec 27, 2012
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
The States have their own militia and comes with their regs... The Constitution also allows the natural right of the individual to keep and bear arms not for hunting but for the security of the community.
United States Constitution
Article 1
Section 8
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Note the "To provide for organizing, arming,..."

So you'd better get a better grasp on "the law" of it as opposed to the "emotion" of it, as you said.

I will say it again, I own several firearms. I am opposed to repealing and/or altering the Second Amendment. However you and so many others have taken a far broader view of the Second Amendment than was ever intended by the founders. They did not intend the Second Amendment to be a sweeping grant for the citizenry to own and do with their arms whatever they so pleased. Even to the point that the "shall not be infringed" was for the security of the country but to be used responsibly.

And it is a stretch to say "for the security of the community" when the Constitution specifically says "execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions". In other words, for the purpose(s) of the United States.
SeenItBefore

Three Rivers, MI

#43 Dec 27, 2012
Regulated means regulated. That means the Militia at whole. What they use, how they use it and when they use it.

Some know NOTHING about the legal aspects of the Constitution while they spew their self defined drivel.
Ronald

United States

#44 Dec 27, 2012
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>United States Constitution
Article 1
Section 8
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Note the "To provide for organizing, arming,..."

So you'd better get a better grasp on "the law" of it as opposed to the "emotion" of it, as you said.

I will say it again, I own several firearms. I am opposed to repealing and/or altering the Second Amendment. However you and so many others have taken a far broader view of the Second Amendment than was ever intended by the founders. They did not intend the Second Amendment to be a sweeping grant for the citizenry to own and do with their arms whatever they so pleased. Even to the point that the "shall not be infringed" was for the security of the country but to be used responsibly.

And it is a stretch to say "for the security of the community" when the Constitution specifically says "execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions". In other words, for the purpose(s) of the United States.
"To provide for organizing, arming,..."

Not

"To provide for organizing, regulated arming,..."

Or

"To provide for organizing, arming of regulated guns,..."
Ronald

United States

#45 Dec 27, 2012
SeenItBefore wrote:
Regulated means regulated. That means the Militia at whole. What they use, how they use it and when they use it.

Some know NOTHING about the legal aspects of the Constitution while they spew their self defined drivel.
"Regulated means regulated. That means the Militia at whole. "
Correct, the Militia as a whole not the guns. Regulated or organized Militia
"What they use, how they use it and when they use it."
Is not what they were talking about
Ronald

United States

#46 Dec 27, 2012
SeenItBefore wrote:
Regulated means regulated. That means the Militia at whole. What they use, how they use it and when they use it.

Some know NOTHING about the legal aspects of the Constitution while they spew their self defined drivel.
Yes you are confused but we can try to help you understand because we are not full of hate and venom like yourself.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Plymouth, MI

#47 Dec 27, 2012
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>
United States Constitution
Article 1
Section 8
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
Note the "To provide for organizing, arming,..."
So you'd better get a better grasp on "the law" of it as opposed to the "emotion" of it, as you said.
I will say it again, I own several firearms. I am opposed to repealing and/or altering the Second Amendment. However you and so many others have taken a far broader view of the Second Amendment than was ever intended by the founders. They did not intend the Second Amendment to be a sweeping grant for the citizenry to own and do with their arms whatever they so pleased. Even to the point that the "shall not be infringed" was for the security of the country but to be used responsibly.
And it is a stretch to say "for the security of the community" when the Constitution specifically says "execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions". In other words, for the purpose(s) of the United States.
The Federalist Paper also has much insight to the intent of the founders....... I was a messy process.....

“November 12th, 2011”

Since: Nov 07

up a tree

#48 Dec 27, 2012
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
"regulated militia"
not
"regulated gun"
" the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
Not
the right of the people to keep and bear regulated arms, shall not be infringed.
Excellent post.

“November 12th, 2011”

Since: Nov 07

up a tree

#49 Dec 27, 2012
SeenItBefore wrote:
Regulated means regulated. That means the Militia at whole. What they use, how they use it and when they use it.
Some know NOTHING about the legal aspects of the Constitution while they spew their self defined drivel.
Mere opinion here. Nothing more.

“November 12th, 2011”

Since: Nov 07

up a tree

#50 Dec 27, 2012
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>
United States Constitution
Article 1
Section 8
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
Note the "To provide for organizing, arming,..."
So you'd better get a better grasp on "the law" of it as opposed to the "emotion" of it, as you said.
I will say it again, I own several firearms. I am opposed to repealing and/or altering the Second Amendment. However you and so many others have taken a far broader view of the Second Amendment than was ever intended by the founders. They did not intend the Second Amendment to be a sweeping grant for the citizenry to own and do with their arms whatever they so pleased. Even to the point that the "shall not be infringed" was for the security of the country but to be used responsibly.
And it is a stretch to say "for the security of the community" when the Constitution specifically says "execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions". In other words, for the purpose(s) of the United States.
It seems to me our founding fathers had state of the art weaponry and used those weapons to overthrow their tyrannical government. You really expect anyone to believe they would then craft a Constitution and deny future generations the very same right? I don't.
Ronald

United States

#51 Dec 27, 2012
MIbowhunter wrote:
<quoted text>Excellent post.
Thank you! Some people respect and are very thankful for what so many have died for! It's terrible that Some know NOTHING about the legal aspects of the Constitution while they spew their self defined drivel.

“Russian ties?”

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#52 Dec 27, 2012
Bob wrote:
Just another worn out NRA reply to cover the lax laws that allow convicted felons and the insane to get their hands on a gun.
Nobody cares if it was the chicken or the egg that got here first, and nobody cares about this question either!
Which laws are those that allow convicted felons, and the insane to get their hands on guns?
SeenItBefore

Three Rivers, MI

#53 Dec 27, 2012
MIbowhunter wrote:
<quoted text>It seems to me our founding fathers had state of the art weaponry and used those weapons to overthrow their tyrannical government. You really expect anyone to believe they would then craft a Constitution and deny future generations the very same right? I don't.
They absolutely set it up for the American people to overthrow the government and re-craft it. But their intent was and they set it up to be done with laws. Not guns. A good knowledge of the Constitution shows that clearly. That's why they gave the People the rights to rule their government.
SeenItBefore

Three Rivers, MI

#54 Dec 27, 2012
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you! Some people respect and are very thankful for what so many have died for! It's terrible that Some know NOTHING about the legal aspects of the Constitution while they spew their self defined drivel.
Oh now that's funny. ANYONE with a law degree, or even an actual knowledge of the law and the Constitution is laughing there azzes off that you know any legal aspect of the Constitution.
SeenItBefore

Three Rivers, MI

#55 Dec 27, 2012
Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>Which laws are those that allow convicted felons, and the insane to get their hands on guns?
Now that's an open ended question. First off it would be the Second Amendment if interpreted as so many on here do that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. After all the Second Amendment says nothing about mental capacity or standing in the law...now does it.
Ronald

United States

#56 Dec 27, 2012
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>Now that's an open ended question. First off it would be the Second Amendment if interpreted as so many on here do that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. After all the Second Amendment says nothing about mental capacity or standing in the law...now does it.
Jim can't handle it done because his hands get to lube up playing with his boyfriend Jason and the rainbow club. What makes me laugh at that his black ass schlong is supposed to be little longer than everyone elses but the pinwheel it say about the river with told me that his was lacking and in the longitude of the purpose to the flight was supposed to be going on there.
whodathunkit

Grand Rapids, MI

#57 Dec 27, 2012
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>
They absolutely set it up for the American people to overthrow the government and re-craft it. But their intent was and they set it up to be done with laws. Not guns. A good knowledge of the Constitution shows that clearly. That's why they gave the People the rights to rule their government.
um...yeah...because the Law MAKERS really represent the will of the people and we can simply just vote them out right? No chance that the law MAKERS have crafted laws to protect themselves from voters and protect their own interests. It's not like they have a private army aka the police, TSA, homeland security, the ATF, FBI, and all the other law enforcers that serve the Law MAKERS and their special interests. Yeah...who needs guns.
SuckItBefore

Wayland, MI

#58 Dec 27, 2012
I'm giving all my guns to president Obama.
Jim

United States

#59 Dec 28, 2012
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>Oh now that's funny. ANYONE with a law degree, or even an actual knowledge of the law and the Constitution is laughing there azzes off that you know any legal aspect of the Constitution.
That's your best come back!! Lol!! You miss understand they are laughing at you not me!! Lol!!
Jim

United States

#60 Dec 28, 2012
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>Now that's an open ended question. First off it would be the Second Amendment if interpreted as so many on here do that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. After all the Second Amendment says nothing about mental capacity or standing in the law...now does it.
No, actually it's a simple question just quit the bu!!sh!t and answer it!

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