Pope Benedict XVI - Debunks Parts of Jesus Narrative

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#1 Nov 23, 2012
Good Day,

As a Catholic and student of history, I find this fascinating. I like what this Pope is doing.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/22/world/europe/va...

Steelie
Its all fiction

Rockford, MI

#2 Nov 23, 2012
If he had any integrity he would admit the whole jesus story is a myth and quit milking cash out of gullible suckers.

It has never been a secret that christmas was originally a pagan holiday celebrating the lengthening of the days after the solstice.

The whole christian religion is fiction, a game of chinese whispers, much of it stolen from earlier religions.

“lover”

Since: Feb 09

Dorr MI

#3 Nov 24, 2012
Its all fiction wrote:
If he had any integrity he would admit the whole jesus story is a myth and quit milking cash out of gullible suckers.
It has never been a secret that christmas was originally a pagan holiday celebrating the lengthening of the days after the solstice.
The whole christian religion is fiction, a game of chinese whispers, much of it stolen from earlier religions.
Jesus loves you Arctic.... you know that.
Its all fiction

Rockford, MI

#4 Nov 24, 2012
Living Large2 wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus loves you
The Flying Spaghetti Monster loves you.

“lover”

Since: Feb 09

Dorr MI

#5 Nov 24, 2012
Its all fiction wrote:
<quoted text>
The Flying Spaghetti Monster loves you.
:-) shoot any deer?
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#6 Nov 26, 2012
Steelie wrote:
Good Day,
As a Catholic and student of history, I find this fascinating. I like what this Pope is doing.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/22/world/europe/va...
Steelie
It doesn't seem that long ago that the xtians were on here howling about some heretic preacher that was trying to change THE WORD, and predicting that he was on the fast track to the lower regions......

I guess the pope gets a free pass!

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#7 Nov 26, 2012
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
It doesn't seem that long ago that the xtians were on here howling about some heretic preacher that was trying to change THE WORD, and predicting that he was on the fast track to the lower regions......
I guess the pope gets a free pass!
Good Day,

Bob - I don't remember that discussion, maybe I missed it.

As a Catholic and student of history - I think it is interesting that this Pope is doing this in terms of clarifying the narrative. Oh sure I know there are those out there, who for whatever reason, still believe the Earth is only a few thousand years old.(I am not on that wagon...) There are all kinds of historically interesting bits of history of "The Church". I think anyone of a belief who is "rational" understands that while many aspects of the scritures do in fact report actual historical events, many portions are really more anecdotal in terms of teaching a "lesson" if you will. Take Jonah and the whale for example.

Noah - an interesting story perhaps that may not have happened as described, but in fact may actually be based on vocal tradional story telling. What do I mean by that? Ancient peoples vocally reported history though a verbal tradition over hundreds if not thousands of years. The "Great Flood" appears to have actually occured, but not of rain, but a geological event. The geological record seems to indicate that the Black see was once in fact a freshwater inland sea. Then, thousands of years ago the natural dam that held the Black Sea and Mediterranean separate failed and the Mediteranean, in a "great flood" inundated the Black Sea. This event perhaps could have been the genesis to the story of Noah.

Not too many know that in the early church (Roman Catholic) preists were allowed to marry. In fact, St. Peter (the first Pope) was not only married, but had children! Oh yes... I wonder how the church might be different if preists could marry today (post ordination).

Did you know that for decades (starting post WWII) the Church was at war with its very own Knights of the Church - the Jesuits. It got so bad that Pope John Paul II actually considered disbanding the Jesuits all together!

I could go on...

Steelie
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#8 Nov 27, 2012
I'm not sure how you missed it unless it was because you couldn't find a way to tie Obama to it.

The real question now should be when is Christmas?

August?

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#9 Nov 27, 2012
Good Day,

Bob - depending on how one reads certain scriptural entries in the New Testament, it seems to indicate that Jesus may have been born during the Jewish month of Tashir.(Most likely during the feast of the Tabernacles - hence no rooms being available.) So it is actually quite likely he was born in perhaps mid-October.

Steelie
Mark

Rockford, MI

#10 Nov 27, 2012
Steelie wrote:
Good Day,
Bob - depending on how one reads certain scriptural entries in the New Testament, it seems to indicate that Jesus may have been born during the Jewish month of Tashir.(Most likely during the feast of the Tabernacles - hence no rooms being available.) So it is actually quite likely he was born in perhaps mid-October.
Steelie
There is not a single firsthand account of jesus, it's far more likely he was never born or existed at all.
Really

Holland, MI

#11 Nov 27, 2012
Mark wrote:
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There is not a single firsthand account of jesus, it's far more likely he was never born or existed at all.
Says the disgruntled Jew who doesn't believe in the New Testament at all.
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#14 Nov 29, 2012
Steelie wrote:
Good Day,
Bob - depending on how one reads certain scriptural entries in the New Testament, it seems to indicate that Jesus may have been born during the Jewish month of Tashir.(Most likely during the feast of the Tabernacles - hence no rooms being available.) So it is actually quite likely he was born in perhaps mid-October.
Steelie
Or that he wasn't really born at all, in any month!

As a former member of the church, I found that the bible is not much more than a bunch of stories written by people who didn't witness anything that they wrote about, and, it is subject to the same changes this pope is trying to make, while being held up as the one and only ultimate guide to some glorious afterlife.

So the next question should be..... When is The Bible #3 coming out, and who gets to write it?
Really

Holland, MI

#15 Nov 29, 2012
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Or that he wasn't really born at all, in any month!
As a former member of the church, I found that the bible is not much more than a bunch of stories written by people who didn't witness anything that they wrote about, and, it is subject to the same changes this pope is trying to make, while being held up as the one and only ultimate guide to some glorious afterlife.
So the next question should be..... When is The Bible #3 coming out, and who gets to write it?
Really Bob? But you wished that the Pope be sent to a place you don't believe in?? Interesting how you want to send people to a place you don't believe in. Be careful what you wish for Bob, YOU may get what you wish for others. You and Stevie both.
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#16 Nov 30, 2012
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Really Bob? But you wished that the Pope be sent to a place you don't believe in?? Interesting how you want to send people to a place you don't believe in. Be careful what you wish for Bob, YOU may get what you wish for others. You and Stevie both.
It must take quite a bit of effort to be as ignorant as you are.....

Nowhere in any of my posts did I say that I thought this pope was going anywhere. Rather, I said that WM bible thumpers climbed all over the preacher who tried to stray from the narrow minded teachings of this supposedly holy book.

A holy book which is and has been subject to constant revision from others.
Really

Traverse City, MI

#17 Nov 30, 2012
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
It must take quite a bit of effort to be as ignorant as you are.....
Nowhere in any of my posts did I say that I thought this pope was going anywhere. Rather, I said that WM bible thumpers climbed all over the preacher who tried to stray from the narrow minded teachings of this supposedly holy book.
A holy book which is and has been subject to constant revision from others.
No effort for you apparently. See post #6 from you. Apparently you suffer from CRS these days?
stuffing

Caledonia, MI

#18 Nov 30, 2012
Bob wrote:
I'm not sure how you missed it unless it was because you couldn't find a way to tie Obama to it.
The real question now should be when is Christmas?
August?
Silly Boob, it's up to King Obama.
stuffing

Caledonia, MI

#19 Nov 30, 2012
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Or that he wasn't really born at all, in any month!
As a former member of the church, I found that the bible is not much more than a bunch of stories written by people who didn't witness anything that they wrote about, and, it is subject to the same changes this pope is trying to make, while being held up as the one and only ultimate guide to some glorious afterlife.
So the next question should be..... When is The Bible #3 coming out, and who gets to write it?
Silly Boob, King Obama will write it.
Who

Wyoming, MI

#20 Nov 30, 2012
CNN (Communist News Network), there's a "reliable" source.
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#21 Dec 2, 2012
Steelie wrote:
Good Day,
Bob - depending on how one reads certain scriptural entries in the New Testament, it seems to indicate that Jesus may have been born during the Jewish month of Tashir.(Most likely during the feast of the Tabernacles - hence no rooms being available.) So it is actually quite likely he was born in perhaps mid-October.
Steelie
Or, since it was the season that shepherds spent the nights in the fields with their flocks (lambing season), it could be in February or early March. Interesting to think that the one referred to as 'the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world' would be born during lambing season, don't you think?

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