One killed in Ottawa crash

Ottawa County dispatch has confirmed that a vehicle near the intersection of Tyler Street and 96th Avenue has flipped over and is upside down in a water-filled ditch. Full Story
unbelievable

Alto, MI

#45 Dec 26, 2008
My heart goes out to the families of these two kids, what a good looking young man! To the family and friends of Tyler I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers I could not even begin to imagine what your going through right now, I am so sorry for your loss. To the inconsiderate comments on this site you should be ashamed of yourself a young man lost his life and another has to live with the fact that he was driving, and some on here are rude and extremely inconsiderate why make comments at all if your going to be nasty. If this was a family member of yours would you be making the same kind of comments?
A parent

Troy, MI

#46 Dec 26, 2008
When will we finally realize it's time to do a better job training our children how to drive, especially on icy roads? This tragedy probably could have been avoided.
Snowed

Grand Blanc, MI

#47 Dec 26, 2008
very sad. so young to have a life ended.
El Barracho

Ypsilanti, MI

#48 Dec 26, 2008
Ice and budget cuts = Death.

Who cares, right? Salt is expensive. Death is cheaper for the road commission.
jte555

United States

#49 Dec 26, 2008
Yooper wrote:
My condolences to the families of these two young people. But I am curious as to why they were taken to Spectrum when Zeeland Community Hospital was much closer?
i live in zeeland and spectrem has a very very good childrens trama center that anyone would want thteir child to go after such a bad accident.
Bunnie

Saint Charles, IL

#50 Dec 26, 2008
El Barracho wrote:
Ice and budget cuts = Death.
Who cares, right? Salt is expensive. Death is cheaper for the road commission.
G-d forbid any common sense be thrown into the equation

Sympathy to the young man's family and friends
Painter

Holland, MI

#51 Dec 26, 2008
To both familes involved,
Sorry for your loss and heartaches. I pray for the driver that he can overcome this awful accident and grow to become what he was planning on becoming before this happened! I know those kids (young adults) at Zeeland (and other schools) have had so much the past few years to deal with but I also know those same kids have pulled togeter and have gotten through it "Together" just like they will this time! All our in my thoughts & prayers!
nope

United States

#52 Dec 26, 2008
El Barracho wrote:
Ice and budget cuts = Death.
Who cares, right? Salt is expensive. Death is cheaper for the road commission.
Wrong, I travel this area on a regular basis and although not a priority of the road crews it wouldn't have made a difference. Besides, with the heavy melt and refreeze salt wouldn't have had any effect once it dropped. Ottawa County has 5,000 hours in OT thus far in December alone. There is a point where the driver has to accept blame. I am willing to bet the roadway surface was the same from the driveway they left to the point of loss of control.

Why would any parent allow their child to drive in icy conditions? Age 17, you don't have enough experience for the conditions that existed. I wouldn't be suprised if the driver gets charged with negligent homicide in the following weeks.
Bunnie

Saint Charles, IL

#53 Dec 26, 2008
tooltime66 wrote:
<quoted text>
You dont have to be going fast to roll a into a ditch.
No, but going too fast certainly doesn't decrease your chances of rolling a vehicle; The slower you're going, the higher your chances are of regaining control of your vehicle
Bunnie

Saint Charles, IL

#54 Dec 26, 2008
The number one cause of death in 16-21 age group is: CAR ACCIDENTS

SO, here is MY question:

When the roads were what they were, WHY, for the Love of G-d, was a 17 year old allowed to be driving????????
local resident

Leawood, KS

#55 Dec 26, 2008
My prayers are with both of these boy's families. They are also with my family members that came upon the scene as they left our family gathering and tried to save a life and just couldn't before any rescue personnel had arrived. As I drove those roads last night I did not go over 20 miles an hour. We do not know how fast they were going, but it would not have taken much to get pulled to the edge and the ditches out there are 6-10 feet deep so the truck rolling was inevitable.

Since: Oct 08

Holland

#56 Dec 26, 2008
I was driving secondary roads last night about the same time frame. The roads were iced over and not restricted to isolated patches. My full size truck in 4WD slid out from under me while going 30 MPH or less.

The passengers death is a sad loss. Looking at his facebook pics makes it a tragedy. I'm faulting no one person in this crash. I'd like for the parents of teenager drivers to remember this accident before you allow your son/daughter to drive or ride a vehicle in such conditions.

I personally don't think 17 year-old drivers have enough experience to operate in our weather conditions. Take your kids to a desolate parking lot and if safe to do so, practice skid control and brake failure. The most important things can't be addressed in basic drivers training.
lookout

Saint Joseph, MI

#57 Dec 26, 2008
Bunnie wrote:
The number one cause of death in 16-21 age group is: CAR ACCIDENTS
SO, here is MY question:
When the roads were what they were, WHY, for the Love of G-d, was a 17 year old allowed to be driving????????
just because these kids were only 17 doesn't mean they don't know how to drive. Don't blame age on this tradgic accident. It could have easily been an older person too. Even if the roads weren't in the best driving conditions. Does this mean theat all teenagers need to stay home because of it.Would you say this if it were your child it happened to I THINK NOT. Accidents happen in all ages not just teens. The roads might have been bad but the weather was not Christnas was a nice day if I remember correctly. So why wouldn't or shouldn't people be out driving. If he would have survived then what would have said. God Bless both families.

Since: Oct 08

Holland

#58 Dec 26, 2008
lookout wrote:
<quoted text>
just because these kids were only 17 doesn't mean they don't know how to drive. Don't blame age on this tradgic accident. It could have easily been an older person too. Even if the roads weren't in the best driving conditions. Does this mean theat all teenagers need to stay home because of it.Would you say this if it were your child it happened to I THINK NOT. Accidents happen in all ages not just teens. The roads might have been bad but the weather was not Christnas was a nice day if I remember correctly. So why wouldn't or shouldn't people be out driving. If he would have survived then what would have said. God Bless both families.
No one dispute kids in that age bracket are more likely than adults to become involved in serious traffic crashes, the stats are there.

Christmas was a nice day and the 24TH was even nicer causing much snow to melt. After dark, the temperature dropped below freezing resulting in many icy roads. Road conditions were slick, all over. There are time when parents let their children drive in these conditions because it's convienent and later regret it.
concerned parent

AOL

#59 Dec 26, 2008
Can someone tell me what Jordans parents names are?
Prayers to both families involved
michael g

United States

#60 Dec 26, 2008
El Barracho wrote:
Ice and budget cuts = Death.
Who cares, right? Salt is expensive. Death is cheaper for the road commission.
Ice and poor judgement = Death

If they would have slowed down to an appropriate speed for the conditions, this wouldn't be news.
Renee

United States

#61 Dec 26, 2008
Bunnie wrote:
The number one cause of death in 16-21 age group is: CAR ACCIDENTS
SO, here is MY question:
When the roads were what they were, WHY, for the Love of G-d, was a 17 year old allowed to be driving????????
My dear nephew was killed last year on Dec. 30,2007. He was 22 years old. We miss him very much. It was snowy, icey. he was only traveling to the store. Wasnt his fault. Another Car slide into his.[snowplows dont always keep road cleared.] Just One of those things.

“Just be you. ”

Since: May 08

Muskegon,MI

#62 Dec 26, 2008
When the roads are ice, speed does not matter.You could be going 2mph and slide off into the ditch. On the way to my parents for Christmas, the back roads were sheer ice. I was going extremely slow and my vehicle was still sliding. Ice is just that...ICE.

Why does everyone rush to blame when an accident happens?

These teens were someones children and now these families have to deal with a loss. The teen that survived this horrible accident,will probably relive it everyday.

Maybe a few kind words and a thoughtful comment would help them more than blaming someone for an ACCIDENT...just a thought.
ElectraGlide

Cadillac, MI

#63 Dec 26, 2008
PRAY wrote:
Maybe we could pray for all of them! The driver, who will have to live with this for the rest of his life, the family, who will dread every Christmas, the witness who pulled him out of the truck--who all will remember this every Christmas and also whenever they pass the scene of this accident; and the medics and police who were at the scene.
Additionally, I will pray for Offering My Truth, Tugboat, and Broke College Kid. Accusing someone of being drunk, telling someone to choose their right to remain silent, and claiming "bragging rights" -- that you will be healed of the insecurity resulting in your inappropriate comments regarding this Christmas Day tragedy!
Are you a moron or just retarded?! Offering and Broke were chastizing that b@stard Tugboat for completely heartless comments! Pray for yourself not to be a worthless @@shat every day of your life. Like that's gonna work out!
wtf

Grand Rapids, MI

#64 Dec 26, 2008
Humble in God wrote:
God's will be done.
Silence all you false Christians.
If you really believe in the God of the Bible then you know not to question his power, will, or glory.
Fear the will of almighty God.
Praise God, his will be done and there's nothing we can do about it.
Praise God.
God failed,if "god" were on earth right now he would be a terrorist every other entity that says bow down and worship me is considered a dictator amirite yes i am,if god does exist i want no part of your god he failed,hence stife and miserable conditions.These are conditions to which anyone else who created them would be considered a failure so in reflection
god=fail

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