Death Panels Coming To America

Death Panels Coming To America

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#2 Aug 9, 2009
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#3 Aug 9, 2009

Since: Jul 09

SW Michigan

#4 Aug 9, 2009
They are coming to America - from where?

Are they on tour?
Clueless

Grandville, MI

#5 Aug 9, 2009
Bubbly4now wrote:
They are coming to America - from where?
Are they on tour?
I saw them in Canada one time. They were a pretty good band.
GR Paul

Denver, CO

#6 Aug 9, 2009
Bubbly4now wrote:
They are coming to America - from where?
Are they on tour?
Maybe you guys should try reading the articles, instead of judging posts.

You might learn something.

“Where I came from”

Since: Jan 09

the universe

#7 Aug 9, 2009
I don't think a lot of folks understand once the health care bill is passed and signed then the rules a regulations get written and who does that some innocuous board of beauracrats who don't have to answer to anyone and we all know how they work as slow as cold lava. Maybe what we have right now is not the best but it will get worse. When you have to have a hip replacement and your 65 years old good luck. The beauracrat will be the one deciding whether you get help not the doctor. And if you have a stoke and are bed ridden good luck you will become a burden and you will be left to fend for yourself no help from anyone. The whole aspect will change,, Hospice care, nursing homes, trauma centers, burn units, it will all change it has to for this plan to "save money". Cheaper to let you die.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#8 Aug 9, 2009
Clueless wrote:
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I saw them in Canada one time. They were a pretty good band.
Is that the band that dresses up in Gadsen flags and throws tea bags to the audience?
I heard they open their show with their song "You ain't nothin' but a Kenyan."

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#9 Aug 9, 2009
Arctic49519 wrote:
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Is that the band that dresses up in Gadsen flags and throws tea bags to the audience?
I heard they open their show with their song "You ain't nothin' but a Kenyan."
Ok, Arctic, you and your merry band of clowns, keep laughing. You all forget one basic principal, all these little "rules" they want to apply? They will apply to you kindergarten children as well..although, perhaps not you Arctic since you are in the Union...wait, is that all unions or just the SEIU??? Aren't you in the UAW? Does that exemption apply to you as well?? Maybe it's only bubbly/becky it applies to and Pete. See how good this will be for the country??? You get to be an elitist as well, Arctic. How nice for you....how is going to feel to be despised by the rest of the "common folk?" That's what they are doing, promoting class warfare, but go ahead a laugh while Rome burns. Eventually, when they discover the plan is bankrupting like their other ideas, your taxes will go through the roof as well. They will get you, one way or the other...but have fun laughing.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#10 Aug 9, 2009
sassysandy050 wrote:
<quoted text>Ok, Arctic, you and your merry band of clowns, keep laughing. You all forget one basic principal, all these little "rules" they want to apply? They will apply to you kindergarten children as well..although, perhaps not you Arctic since you are in the Union...wait, is that all unions or just the SEIU??? Aren't you in the UAW? Does that exemption apply to you as well?? Maybe it's only bubbly/becky it applies to and Pete. See how good this will be for the country??? You get to be an elitist as well, Arctic. How nice for you....how is going to feel to be despised by the rest of the "common folk?" That's what they are doing, promoting class warfare, but go ahead a laugh while Rome burns. Eventually, when they discover the plan is bankrupting like their other ideas, your taxes will go through the roof as well. They will get you, one way or the other...but have fun laughing.
Sandy, I have always been pro-union, but I've never said what exactly I do for a living or if I'm even in a union.
One thing I do know for certain is that the GOP is the enemy of working folk and only care about the rich.
My taxes are lower under Obama. Democrat labor policies are better for working folk. In short, there is not one good reason for me to not vote democrat. Sure, if I was making over $500,000 a year and didn't care about social issues I might vote republican.
GR Paul

Denver, CO

#11 Aug 9, 2009
Arctic49519 wrote:
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Sandy, I have always been pro-union, but I've never said what exactly I do for a living or if I'm even in a union.
One thing I do know for certain is that the GOP is the enemy of working folk and only care about the rich.
My taxes are lower under Obama. Democrat labor policies are better for working folk. In short, there is not one good reason for me to not vote democrat. Sure, if I was making over $500,000 a year and didn't care about social issues I might vote republican.
Can someone, other than this idiot, PLEASE explain to me what taxes were actually lowered under Obama?

Since: Jul 09

SW Michigan

#12 Aug 9, 2009
Arctic49519 wrote:
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Is that the band that dresses up in Gadsen flags and throws tea bags to the audience?
I heard they open their show with their song "You ain't nothin' but a Kenyan."
The other Maverick- will be lead singer for the Death Panel.

Leading off --The Grateful Dead.
Clueless

Grandville, MI

#13 Aug 9, 2009
Bubbly4now wrote:
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The other Maverick- will be lead singer for the Death Panel.
Leading off --The Grateful Dead.
Aren't the Dead Kennedys on this same tour also?

Does anyone know what cities they're playing?

Since: Jul 09

SW Michigan

#14 Aug 9, 2009
Shoeless Eluder wrote:
I don't think a lot of folks understand once the health care bill is passed and signed then the rules a regulations get written and who does that some innocuous board of beauracrats who don't have to answer to anyone and we all know how they work as slow as cold lava. Maybe what we have right now is not the best but it will get worse. When you have to have a hip replacement and your 65 years old good luck. The beauracrat will be the one deciding whether you get help not the doctor. And if you have a stoke and are bed ridden good luck you will become a burden and you will be left to fend for yourself no help from anyone. The whole aspect will change,, Hospice care, nursing homes, trauma centers, burn units, it will all change it has to for this plan to "save money". Cheaper to let you die.
Guess what Shoeless,

The Palin family is "entitled" to free National Healthcare. Isn't that special?

http://washingtonindependent.com/13924/palin-...

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#15 Aug 9, 2009
Bubbly4now wrote:
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Guess what Shoeless,
The Palin family is "entitled" to free National Healthcare. Isn't that special?
http://washingtonindependent.com/13924/palin-...
And your totally useless point is???? See, Bubbly, you do the same stuff,day after day after day...we want to discuss important issues and you go into "Barbie Doll Blonde" mode and throw something out that is totally off base. The Palin family is NOT entitled to free national healthcare...HR3200 stipulates they have to have AGI of 400% BELOW the federal poverty level..do you even know what that means??? I'm not sure you do.

Since: Jul 09

SW Michigan

#16 Aug 9, 2009
sassysandy050 wrote:
<quoted text>And your totally useless point is???? See, Bubbly, you do the same stuff,day after day after day...we want to discuss important issues and you go into "Barbie Doll Blonde" mode and throw something out that is totally off base. The Palin family is NOT entitled to free national healthcare...HR3200 stipulates they have to have AGI of 400% BELOW the federal poverty level..do you even know what that means??? I'm not sure you do.
I'm glad you brought up poverty level. What do people do for healthcare - if they don't qualify for help, but are too poor to purchase it on the free market? If they don't have healthcare and have a healthcare emergency - who ends up paying for it in the end?

The healthcare system is broken, Sandy. It's time to fix it, and it's going to be the hardest thing this country has done in a long time.

Sandy, a person like you - because you do understand the problem, can be a champion for those with no healthcare. You can contribute a lot of positive ideas.

Or... like Palin, you can add- nothing. It's easy to shoot down every idea. It's more difficult to solve the problem.

By the way, that is an entitlement program for Native Americans (Todd Palin's family). Sarah Palin's family is now wealthy, and it is quite likely - they had healthcare provided by the State of Alaska. I doubt very much they would ever WANT to be in the positon - to apply for this program. But still, it's good to have a backup plan - death panel and all.
GR Paul

Denver, CO

#17 Aug 9, 2009
Bubbly4now wrote:
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I'm glad you brought up poverty level. What do people do for healthcare - if they don't qualify for help, but are too poor to purchase it on the free market? If they don't have healthcare and have a healthcare emergency - who ends up paying for it in the end?
The healthcare system is broken, Sandy. It's time to fix it, and it's going to be the hardest thing this country has done in a long time.
Most people in the US have health insurance.

Most people are satisfied with their health insurance.

People from all over the world come for health care even though they live in nations with socialized medicine.

There are non-profits, and charities that can and do help people who are short and cant afford certain procedures. There are plenty on S. Division that are there for the homeless alone.

Americans have quicker recovery times and better hospital conditions than anywhere in the world.

Most of the world's medical breakthroughs come from the US.

Most of the world's top doctors study in the US.

And from that you come to the conclusion "The healthcare system is broken"? Based on what again?

And try an answer other than peanuts and light bulbs.

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#19 Aug 9, 2009
Bubbly4now wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm glad you brought up poverty level. What do people do for healthcare - if they don't qualify for help, but are too poor to purchase it on the free market? If they don't have healthcare and have a healthcare emergency - who ends up paying for it in the end?
The healthcare system is broken, Sandy. It's time to fix it, and it's going to be the hardest thing this country has done in a long time.
Sandy, a person like you - because you do understand the problem, can be a champion for those with no healthcare. You can contribute a lot of positive ideas.
Or... like Palin, you can add- nothing. It's easy to shoot down every idea. It's more difficult to solve the problem.
By the way, that is an entitlement program for Native Americans (Todd Palin's family). Sarah Palin's family is now wealthy, and it is quite likely - they had healthcare provided by the State of Alaska. I doubt very much they would ever WANT to be in the positon - to apply for this program. But still, it's good to have a backup plan - death panel and all.
Fix it, yes. Throw the baby out with the bathwater? NO!!!!! And yes I am aware of the programs. As to your questions about the poor?? Tell me, Bubbly, ever seen the DHS building on Franklin St???? Believe me, there is plenty of help available right now for those who seek it and there are plenty of agencies out there that seek out those who need the assistance. I am friends with several people who work in that field. While the poverty can be overwhelming, the help is there. Now, do we need to provide "free" healthcare for every person for their entire life?? I don't think so...I think people receive many benefits from being encouraged to provide for themselves and their families. You, on the other hand, feel that we should just hand stuff over continually ad nauseum until they die. That particular thought process has created several generations of people who have no clue how to take care of themselves or their families and they have NO desire to do so. I have solutions, I have suggested several of those solutions over the last several months and NONE of them meet with your approval because I require people to be responsible and accountable. If you don't like my solutions, that is your right, but do NOT accuse me of not offering them!

Since: Sep 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#20 Aug 9, 2009
sassysandy050 wrote:
<quoted text>Ok, Arctic, you and your merry band of clowns, keep laughing. You all forget one basic principal, all these little "rules" they want to apply? They will apply to you kindergarten children as well..although, perhaps not you Arctic since you are in the Union...wait, is that all unions or just the SEIU??? Aren't you in the UAW? Does that exemption apply to you as well?? Maybe it's only bubbly/becky it applies to and Pete. See how good this will be for the country??? You get to be an elitist as well, Arctic. How nice for you....how is going to feel to be despised by the rest of the "common folk?" That's what they are doing, promoting class warfare, but go ahead a laugh while Rome burns. Eventually, when they discover the plan is bankrupting like their other ideas, your taxes will go through the roof as well. They will get you, one way or the other...but have fun laughing.
Give it up, the Teabagger crap is going to kill you guys. You keep repeating these lies until I think you convnice yourselves they are true when you know they are not.

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#21 Aug 9, 2009
GR Pete wrote:
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Give it up, the Teabagger crap is going to kill you guys. You keep repeating these lies until I think you convnice yourselves they are true when you know they are not.
Actually, unlike some of the people here, I do investigate before I post, Pete and these are not lies, they are what is happening out there. The "teabagger crap" as you are so fond of calling it is honest American citizens who do not like the way this country is headed. See, they were deceived by your party and your hero and that is going to bite your party and them in the behind.
Seenitbefore

Three Rivers, MI

#22 Aug 10, 2009
GR Paul wrote:
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Maybe you guys should try reading the articles, instead of judging posts.
You might learn something.
Ya, lets pay attention to the actual information rather than the conjecture on what does not exist.
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/08/09/gingri...

http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article...

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