Nearly one in 10 employers to drop health coverage

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Good Day,

So much for keeping your plan if you like it...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-po...

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As compared to the thosands of workers tha lost their health insurance, pensions, and a whole host of other benefits prior to this law was passed.

Why is it that your little social hasn't come out in favor of letting hospitals turn away the uninsured? I seem to remember a phrase about skin in the game!

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Steelie wrote:
Good Day,
So much for keeping your plan if you like it...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-po...
Steelie
Assuming it doesn't get dismantled, I think it will be higher.

"One in three respondents said they could stop offering coverage if the law requires them to provide more generous benefits than they do now, if a tax on high-cost plans takes effect in 2018 as scheduled or if they decide it would be cheaper for them to pay the penalty for not providing insurance."

Large companies will continue to offer it, but for smaller companies they will either drop it to pay the penallty, or they will shift workers from full time to part time in order to avoid the additional expense.

Contrary to liberal beliefs, folks in business aren't stupid and they will do what's best for the business. They may not want to drop their health insurance for their employees, but they may not have a choice. They will run the numbers and if it doesn't change their costs significantly, things won't change. If their costs go up, they will figure out how to bring them back down.

Pretty simple.
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There's this little clause in it that if you choose not to cover your full time employees, any fines are waived for the first 30. And then small business caps everyone other than the 30, at 29 hours. Another law that so effectively does nothing cause it's rife with loopholes...

Obamas signature achievement.
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Business with less than 50 employees do not pay any penalty. How fast do you think they will drop employees when rates skyrocket due to Odumbocare.

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This doesn't surprise me at all. Unions will be battling to keep their benefits. And the non union people better cross their fingers. It will likely have an effect on the employees much like a massive pay cut.
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"If you like your current doctor, you can keep'm!"
Barry O, 2009, 2010, 2011 ... I'm not sure he's still promising that whopper in 2012.
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Diggs wrote:
"If you like your current doctor, you can keep'm!"
Barry O, 2009, 2010, 2011 ... I'm not sure he's still promising that whopper in 2012.
"If you need to see a doctor, you can go to the emergency room for FREE"

Teabaggers - 2009, 2010, 2011...... Who cares what you people still think!
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Bob wrote:
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"If you need to see a doctor, you can go to the emergency room for FREE"
Teabaggers - 2009, 2010, 2011...... Who cares what you people still think!
A growing number of members of congress do, Bob, thanks for playing along.

Anyway, if you have to go to an emergency room you cannot by law be turned away - I've never heard a Tea Party person claim it was FREE. If they did - I agree, they were wrong. But the point of that argument has always been to counter pro-ACAers' sensational claims that poor people can't get emergency care and therefore die on the streets - which is clearly a lie.

Thanks for allowing me to continue to correct your misinformation.
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Bob wrote:
As compared to the thosands of workers tha lost their health insurance, pensions, and a whole host of other benefits prior to this law was passed.
The difference, Bob, and I'm making a huge assumption there that you're intellectually capable of understanding this, is this:

Those that lots health insurance, pension and other benefits prior to the law passing weren't told by the government that they must now attain those things with their own money or be fined by the government for failing to do so.
Get it?
We've been saying for months that employers will quickly figure out that the fines for failing to provide health insurance will cost them less than purchasing health insurance causing them to drop their coverage and send their employees out to fend for themselves on the exchanges.
Surprise..NOT...that's exactly what many of them are now doing.
And you know what? Many of those employees will quickly figure out that the fines for not purchasing insurance will be less than the cost of purchasing insurance and just not buy it...and still show up in the ER for care when they're sick knowing they can't be turned away for lack of insurance.
Tell me again how all this Obamatax is going to help? I just love a good fairy tale.
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If these employers drop health care coverage and dont increase wages and salaries to make up the difference it will backfire on them. Of course republicans are used to things backfiring on them because they most always have their head up someonesass.
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Elephant Gun wrote:
If these employers drop health care coverage and dont increase wages and salaries to make up the difference it will backfire on them. Of course republicans are used to things backfiring on them because they most always have their head up someonesass.
How would you know what Republicans do? You have your head stuck so far up Obama's ass you can't see what is or is not coming at you.

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Elephant Gun wrote:
If these employers drop health care coverage and dont increase wages and salaries to make up the difference it will backfire on them. Of course republicans are used to things backfiring on them because they most always have their head up someonesass.
Sooooo,.... you're blaming Obamacare on republicans.
Thats a good one!
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Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>Sooooo,.... you're blaming Obamacare on republicans.
Thats a good one!
Thats just the democrats plan, when it fails we just blame the republicans. Just like the finacial crisis, its a fact the democrat party caused the mess, but thats all we hear is blame the republicans. How many times have you heard Obastard blame Bush.
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Poor Obama though, if he gets elected look at the mess he is going to inherit.

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Chip wrote:
Poor Obama though, if he gets elected look at the mess he is going to inherit.
Just think about the mess Romney will inherate!
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for sure, Obama thought he inherited a mess last time! Well this time "IF" he gets re-elected, who does he blame this mess on?

The Nation is in Much worse condition now than 4 years ago.

Spin that lefty's
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Its beside me why the deficit always gets blamed on the president, and both sides do it.

Congress spends the money. That's why it exploded under Bush the last two years- Reid, and Pelousey. The first two years of Obama that got juiced on roids, under Reid and Pelousey. The last year and a half it's got a little better because Borhner doesn't always go along with Reid, but there's a reason Reid doesn't do a budget, because there's automatic spending, no cuts. It's not that R's don't spend money, just Ds just do it so much more masterfully
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Mark wrote:
Its beside me why the deficit always gets blamed on the president, and both sides do it.
Congress spends the money. That's why it exploded under Bush the last two years- Reid, and Pelousey. The first two years of Obama that got juiced on roids, under Reid and Pelousey. The last year and a half it's got a little better because Borhner doesn't always go along with Reid, but there's a reason Reid doesn't do a budget, because there's automatic spending, no cuts. It's not that R's don't spend money, just Ds just do it so much more masterfully
Sort of like how the R's under Dubyah didn't spend billions fighting a war in Iraq that didn't need to be fought at all. Of course the company that thumbed its nose at the USA by moving out of the country did get quite a few tax free no-bid contracts.

Dubyah didn't have anything to do with a completely unfunded Medicare Part D either as this was strictly a democratic plan to bring about a solcialist downfall of the country.
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Bob wrote:
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Sort of like how the R's under Dubyah didn't spend billions fighting a war in Iraq that didn't need to be fought at all. Of course the company that thumbed its nose at the USA by moving out of the country did get quite a few tax free no-bid contracts.
Dubyah didn't have anything to do with a completely unfunded Medicare Part D either as this was strictly a democratic plan to bring about a solcialist downfall of the country.
OK the republicans are responsible for a war in Iraq with the support of 82 democrats and cost us billions, I won't argue if it was worth it or not, I will let you argue that with the families of the military who gave the ultimate sacrifice.

The democrats are responsible for the financial crisis, I can submit the concrete facts if you need me to do this yet again. This cost us trillions.

If you are against part D, then wtf are you in support of obamacare?

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