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<quoted text>You still haven't given me any proof that our founding fathers wanted firearm registration. Instead of providing facts, you question my knowledge of history which is certainly better than yours. I've read over 500 books on American history with subjects ranging from King Phillips War to the Reagan years. I also own many books covering the 2nd Amendment including my favorite, The Founders' Second Amendment; Origins of the Right to Bear Arms by Stephen P. Halbrook. I've never read ANYTHING suggesting registration of firearms during the colonial period with the exception of the British who wished to confiscate them. Also, please lay off the NRA. They are the safeguard against your masters plan of turning America into a European-style socialist hellhole. You are obviously in dire need of a remedial history class, something you were probably never taught in your inner-city public school. FAIL!
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Okay Prof, show us what your right wing fanatic definition of WELL REGULATED is......

Pre-Revolutionary history shows that many outlaying communities in the colonies required that every male between the ages of 16 to 60 own a weapon and belong to the local militia. Officers held drills and the citizen-soldiers were required to show up with their weapons. Citizens who didn't show up for drills or who didn't own a suitable weapon were subject to penalties. These militias were formed to ward off attacks such as those that the colonists faced during the French-Indians Wars.

Just prior to the revolution breaking out, loyalists and British rulers wanted to disband and confiscate these weapons and to stop the sale of weapons and ammunition in an effort to stop the so-called rebels.

Taking all of this into consideration, I can understand how someone could see that an armed citizenry as a deterrent to an oppresive government. But the article starts out on the premise of a WELL REGULATED militia.

When groups such as the NRA and some of its more fanatical followers start to quote the 2nd Amendment, you just never hear them mention anything to do with being well regulated. As a matter of fact, they scream that everyone is allowed to purchase or own any weapon they want with no questions asked.

Why is that? How is that regulated?
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"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
Okay Prof, show us what your right wing fanatic definition of WELL REGULATED is......
Pre-Revolutionary history shows that many outlaying communities in the colonies required that every male between the ages of 16 to 60 own a weapon and belong to the local militia. Officers held drills and the citizen-soldiers were required to show up with their weapons. Citizens who didn't show up for drills or who didn't own a suitable weapon were subject to penalties. These militias were formed to ward off attacks such as those that the colonists faced during the French-Indians Wars.
Just prior to the revolution breaking out, loyalists and British rulers wanted to disband and confiscate these weapons and to stop the sale of weapons and ammunition in an effort to stop the so-called rebels.
Taking all of this into consideration, I can understand how someone could see that an armed citizenry as a deterrent to an oppresive government. But the article starts out on the premise of a WELL REGULATED militia.
When groups such as the NRA and some of its more fanatical followers start to quote the 2nd Amendment, you just never hear them mention anything to do with being well regulated. As a matter of fact, they scream that everyone is allowed to purchase or own any weapon they want with no questions asked.
Why is that? How is that regulated?
What are you asking here Bob? My position was clear about asking St.Stephan where his/her proof was regarding the charge that our founding fathers wanted firearm registration. You seem to be injecting another 2nd Amendment argument here, that being the argument of what the 2nd Amendment actually means. That's a question that has been answered by SCOTUS although with limitations. That's where the argument actually lays. What are the limitations? And if there are limitations, why? This argument has never gone away and never will. By the way, God bless the NRA!
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<quoted text>What are you asking here Bob? My position was clear about asking St.Stephan where his/her proof was regarding the charge that our founding fathers wanted firearm registration. You seem to be injecting another 2nd Amendment argument here, that being the argument of what the 2nd Amendment actually means. That's a question that has been answered by SCOTUS although with limitations. That's where the argument actually lays. What are the limitations? And if there are limitations, why? This argument has never gone away and never will. By the way, God bless the NRA!
You stated; "I've never read ANYTHING suggesting registration of firearms during the colonial period with the exception of the British who wished to confiscate them."

I'm just saying that I have read something that says that there was a form of registration during colonial times. Also, the phrase Well Regulated sounds a lot like some form of federal regulation. I gave you the option of explaining that phrase, in your own words. That option is still there.
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Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>What are you asking here Bob? My position was clear about asking St.Stephan where his/her proof was regarding the charge that our founding fathers wanted firearm registration. You seem to be injecting another 2nd Amendment argument here, that being the argument of what the 2nd Amendment actually means. That's a question that has been answered by SCOTUS although with limitations. That's where the argument actually lays. What are the limitations? And if there are limitations, why? This argument has never gone away and never will. By the way, God bless the NRA!
The founding fathers didn't WANT firearm registration, they MANDATED it and there WAS registration! Follow along here Dr. X-lax!
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You stated; "I've never read ANYTHING suggesting registration of firearms during the colonial period with the exception of the British who wished to confiscate them."
I'm just saying that I have read something that says that there was a form of registration during colonial times. Also, the phrase Well Regulated sounds a lot like some form of federal regulation. I gave you the option of explaining that phrase, in your own words. That option is still there.
Any regulating of firearms in the colonial period would have been done at the request of the British. The Tories may have asked for registration simply because they were loyal to the crown. However, the Tories were not in any way part of the founding fathers plan for America. As to your question about what "Well Regulated" means in the 2nd Amendment; 'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. You need to read this charge carefully to understand what it truly means. The words "well regulated" refer to the organization of men into a fighting force with rules that apply specifically to them. In other words, it says that they are to be regulated and guided by the principals of the Constitution of The United States government as to not become a rogue unit fighting for causes other then the freedom of a free state. That's also in there. Think about what the words free State" refer to. It basically says that the Federal government gives the right for the individual states to maintain a militia as a hedge against possible future tyranny coming out of Washington DC. It is the ultimate checks and balances act. How about the words "the right of the people to bear arms"? This means that the people that reside in a state (all 50) have the right to have firearms to secure the state in which they reside. The arguments about what the "regulated" part of the 2nd Amendment have NOTHING to do with the firearm in particular. I would argue that point to the president himself if I could. That answer your question?
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Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>Any regulating of firearms in the colonial period would have been done at the request of the British. The Tories may have asked for registration simply because they were loyal to the crown. However, the Tories were not in any way part of the founding fathers plan for America. As to your question about what "Well Regulated" means in the 2nd Amendment; 'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. You need to read this charge carefully to understand what it truly means. The words "well regulated" refer to the organization of men into a fighting force with rules that apply specifically to them. In other words, it says that they are to be regulated and guided by the principals of the Constitution of The United States government as to not become a rogue unit fighting for causes other then the freedom of a free state. That's also in there. Think about what the words free State" refer to. It basically says that the Federal government gives the right for the individual states to maintain a militia as a hedge against possible future tyranny coming out of Washington DC. It is the ultimate checks and balances act. How about the words "the right of the people to bear arms"? This means that the people that reside in a state (all 50) have the right to have firearms to secure the state in which they reside. The arguments about what the "regulated" part of the 2nd Amendment have NOTHING to do with the firearm in particular. I would argue that point to the president himself if I could. That answer your question?
I don't know Dr.X.... You used some big words and complicated sentence structure.... Not sure the Progressive can process the information....
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Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>Any regulating of firearms in the colonial period would have been done at the request of the British. The Tories may have asked for registration simply because they were loyal to the crown. However, the Tories were not in any way part of the founding fathers plan for America. As to your question about what "Well Regulated" means in the 2nd Amendment; 'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. You need to read this charge carefully to understand what it truly means. The words "well regulated" refer to the organization of men into a fighting force with rules that apply specifically to them. In other words, it says that they are to be regulated and guided by the principals of the Constitution of The United States government as to not become a rogue unit fighting for causes other then the freedom of a free state. That's also in there. Think about what the words free State" refer to. It basically says that the Federal government gives the right for the individual states to maintain a militia as a hedge against possible future tyranny coming out of Washington DC. It is the ultimate checks and balances act. How about the words "the right of the people to bear arms"? This means that the people that reside in a state (all 50) have the right to have firearms to secure the state in which they reside. The arguments about what the "regulated" part of the 2nd Amendment have NOTHING to do with the firearm in particular. I would argue that point to the president himself if I could. That answer your question?
Nope, your version of history is incorrect.

Villages in colonial times consisted of both loyalists and rebels, and in many cases, the leadership of the militias were destined to fight the British during the revolution.

When you read anything, the very first part of what is written should lay the groundwork for any writings that come after it.

Yes, a well regulated militia is refering to an organized group formed to protect the state. To be well regulated implies that the group had leaders, rules, and most likely a roster. A militia is nothing more than a civilian form of a military unit. If you've been in the real military, you know that those rules exist.

"The right of the people to bear arms" is the second portion of that statement. That is the problem with most modern day NRA followers. You can't cherry pick part of what is said and use it to fit whatever context what you want it to meet.

Perhaps you need to sit back and take a detached view of the subject instead of reading it while holding you shooting iron!
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Nope, your version of history is incorrect.
Villages in colonial times consisted of both loyalists and rebels, and in many cases, the leadership of the militias were destined to fight the British during the revolution.
When you read anything, the very first part of what is written should lay the groundwork for any writings that come after it.
Yes, a well regulated militia is refering to an organized group formed to protect the state. To be well regulated implies that the group had leaders, rules, and most likely a roster. A militia is nothing more than a civilian form of a military unit. If you've been in the real military, you know that those rules exist.
"The right of the people to bear arms" is the second portion of that statement. That is the problem with most modern day NRA followers. You can't cherry pick part of what is said and use it to fit whatever context what you want it to meet.
Perhaps you need to sit back and take a detached view of the subject instead of reading it while holding you shooting iron!
So by your logic only the First Amendment should be paid attention to...... Bye 2,3,4,5 etc.......
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<quoted text>So by your logic only the First Amendment should be paid attention to...... Bye 2,3,4,5 etc.......
Ya want to know something? You are one F'd up dude. Maybe you ought to lay of the hot sauce, and take some basic courses in U.S. history, business history, economics, elementary reading. And has their been a lull in your internet business lately. I see you've posted dozen of comments the past couple of days on a number of Topics. Why don't you also try finding a real job?
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Bob wrote:
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Nope, your version of history is incorrect.
Villages in colonial times consisted of both loyalists and rebels, and in many cases, the leadership of the militias were destined to fight the British during the revolution.
When you read anything, the very first part of what is written should lay the groundwork for any writings that come after it.
Yes, a well regulated militia is refering to an organized group formed to protect the state. To be well regulated implies that the group had leaders, rules, and most likely a roster. A militia is nothing more than a civilian form of a military unit. If you've been in the real military, you know that those rules exist.
"The right of the people to bear arms" is the second portion of that statement. That is the problem with most modern day NRA followers. You can't cherry pick part of what is said and use it to fit whatever context what you want it to meet.
Perhaps you need to sit back and take a detached view of the subject instead of reading it while holding you shooting iron!
You're beyond help Bob. You and the leftists ARE cherry-picking the 2nd Amendment so that you can separate "militia" from "individual". I see the scheme. What you don't understand is that the individual IS the state and the state is the individual. Now run along and get yourself an online degree in American history then call me in 4 years when you've learned the truth, because right now, you just can't accept it.
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Ya want to know something? You are one F'd up dude. Maybe you ought to lay of the hot sauce, and take some basic courses in U.S. history, business history, economics, elementary reading. And has their been a lull in your internet business lately. I see you've posted dozen of comments the past couple of days on a number of Topics. Why don't you also try finding a real job?
Give BatchyBoi a break.......

It was the first time all day he didn't mention his child molesting fetish!

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the nra should be stepped down they are out of touch and out of date with us new americans
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Hassan al Madji wrote:
the nra should be stepped down they are out of touch and out of date with us new americans
I'm putting you on the terrorist watch list.

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<quoted text>I'm putting you on the terrorist watch list.
and i'm putting you on the gay watch
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pipedream wrote:
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Ya want to know something? You are one F'd up dude. Maybe you ought to lay of the hot sauce, and take some basic courses in U.S. history, business history, economics, elementary reading. And has their been a lull in your internet business lately. I see you've posted dozen of comments the past couple of days on a number of Topics. Why don't you also try finding a real job?
No, I got a sweet job and am an industry leader. Weekends allow me to play on here. Whoops, got to get going, have another big deal to make from my at home office...... Cha-Ching....... Frickin Progressives will not stop success..... losers......
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and i'm putting you on the gay watch
Funny, I understand their is a lot of ass raping going on where you come from...... Donkey abuser.......
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<quoted text>Funny, I understand their is a lot of ass raping going on where you come from...... Donkey abuser.......
So, finally confessing about where you go on vacations?

Is it true that virgin wool only comes from sheep that you can't get to?
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So, finally confessing about where you go on vacations?
Is it true that virgin wool only comes from sheep that you can't get to?
Is that why you moved near Remus? I noticed a car parked off of M20 next to the sheep farm. Next time I will stop and say hello........

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<quoted text>Funny, I understand their is a lot of ass raping going on where you come from...... Donkey abuser.......

not rape my friend they are willing in Greenfield

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<quoted text>Is that why you moved near Remus? I noticed a car parked off of M20 next to the sheep farm. Next time I will stop and say hello........
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