Death Panels, Here We Come

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Jun 5, 2013
 
If it were a Republican administration that made these comments, the progressives would be frothing at the mouth and spitting all over themselves, however, since it is a progressive administration, it's considered "fair" that Sebelius has taken this stance. And the progessives claim to be the champions of the "little people." yeah right.

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Jun 5, 2013
 
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Bottom line its not Sebelius' place to pick and choose transplant recipients. If a federal judge wants to intervene on this issue and waive the under 12 rule so be it, which is just what has happened today in this case.
I cant imagine anything worse than one individual getting to pick who lives and who dies, she said. Putting Sarah next in line would disadvantage other young people who have also been waiting for transplants including three others at Childrens's Hospital of Philadelphia who are just as sick as Sarah Murnaghan. Helping one child could possibly hurt another.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/sarah-m...
LMAO!!

I loooooooooooooooove how Sebelius is busily trying to convince people that this move would put Sarah at the "head of the line". That is NOT what the ruling was about. The ruling was about moving her to the adult list - NOT putting her at the head of line.

This gives her a better chance at getting a transplant, but does not guarantee her a transplant. She could potentially be next in line, but if the donor lung is not a match, she gets passed by in favor of someone who IS a match. Organ donation isn't like changing out lego pieces.

But here is the best line of the article...I cant imagine anything worse than one individual getting to pick who lives and who dies, she said at a House hearing on Tuesday.

But yet, she is one individual who gets to pick who lives or who dies, just by her answer.
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#23
Jun 5, 2013
 
Go ahead and laugh your fat a$$ off all you want. Bottom line is Sebelius doesn't make the rules -- the Organ Transplant Procurement Network (OTPN) in concert with the U.S. Congress establishes policies, rules and regulations. If you don't like the rules, take it up with the organization that makes them.

http://optn.transplant.hrsa.gov/policiesAndBy...
Really

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Jun 5, 2013
 
pipedream wrote:
Go ahead and laugh your fat a$$ off all you want. Bottom line is Sebelius doesn't make the rules -- the Organ Transplant Procurement Network (OTPN) in concert with the U.S. Congress establishes policies, rules and regulations. If you don't like the rules, take it up with the organization that makes them.
http://optn.transplant.hrsa.gov/policiesAndBy...
what part of "she could bypass the rule" don't you understand? That is what her job is, of course, asking a progressive to do their job is pretty close to spitting against the wind.
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Jun 5, 2013
 
pipedream wrote:
Bottom line its not Sebelius' place to pick and choose transplant recipients. If a federal judge wants to intervene on this issue and waive the under 12 rule so be it, which is just what has happened today in this case.
I cant imagine anything worse than one individual getting to pick who lives and who dies, she said. Putting Sarah next in line would disadvantage other young people who have also been waiting for transplants including three others at Childrens's Hospital of Philadelphia who are just as sick as Sarah Murnaghan. Helping one child could possibly hurt another.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/sarah-m...
Apparently you did not read your own article. If you did you missed the opening statement.

"A federal judge on Wednesday ordered HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to allow 10-year-old Sarah Murnaghan to be moved to the adult lung transplant list, giving her a better chance of receiving a potentially life-saving transplant."

What was that? "Giving her a better chance of receiving a potentially life saving transplant." Neecer was right.

Pipester this is not a laughing matter. The point is no one should have the right to say who lives or who dies. Yet that is just exactly what Sebelius said. Someone lives, someone dies. Your right it is not her rules, but she has the power to override them.
pipedream

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Jun 5, 2013
 
Really wrote:
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what part of "she could bypass the rule" don't you understand? That is what her job is, of course, asking a progressive to do their job is pretty close to spitting against the wind.
Who says "she could bypass the rule?" Where does it say that?

At best it is a legal question as to what authority she has to intervene and waive the rule.

Bottom line is the policies rules pertaining to to Organ transplants are established by physicians and other medical professional who have determined the best outcome for the organs available.

It is indeed an agonizing dilemma as there are about 40 other seriously ill individuals in Pennsylvania over age 12 are waiting for a lung transplant, as well as three children in the same hospital as Murnaghan. There are not enough organs to go around and, despite what some doctors are saying, there remains a great deal of uncertainty regarding the outcome of putting an adult lung into a child who is only 10 years of age.
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Jun 5, 2013
 
Really wrote:
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what part of "she could bypass the rule" don't you understand? That is what her job is, of course, asking a progressive to do their job is pretty close to spitting against the wind.
What? Sebelius' job is to bypass the rules and change established policies, rules and regulations?

You advocate that she alone can and should decide who shall live and die?

Crazies like yourself are screaming death panels but out of the other side of their big mouths are saying Sebelius and Sebelius alone should decide by intervening and changing rules.

What happens the next time this situation arises. Should she intervene and change the rules again or do nothing?

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#29
Jun 5, 2013
 
The fact remains that the government is making decisions for peoples personal health. I don't have any answer for this dilemma but its going to get worse. I can see a lottery system for transplants.
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Jun 5, 2013
 
pipedream wrote:
Bottom line its not Sebelius' place to pick and choose transplant recipients. If a federal judge wants to intervene on this issue and waive the under 12 rule so be it, which is just what has happened today in this case.
I cant imagine anything worse than one individual getting to pick who lives and who dies, she said. Putting Sarah next in line would disadvantage other young people who have also been waiting for transplants including three others at Childrens's Hospital of Philadelphia who are just as sick as Sarah Murnaghan. Helping one child could possibly hurt another.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/sarah-m...
She is evil.....
Dr X

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Jun 5, 2013
 
Oh pipedream, or should I say "pipedreams"?? Seems as if we've been posting on multiple computers haven't we? I know there are two of you (friends, brothers, sisters, etc). One posts from a certain location machine, the other from a different location. Sometimes, you share your machines and post from the same computer.
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Oh pipedream, or should I say "pipedreams"?? Seems as if we've been posting on multiple computers haven't we? I know there are two of you (friends, brothers, sisters, etc). One posts from a certain location machine, the other from a different location. Sometimes, you share your machines and post from the same computer.
Not only that, sometimes they even play with each others pipe.
Really

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Jun 6, 2013
 
pipedream wrote:
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What? Sebelius' job is to bypass the rules and change established policies, rules and regulations?
You advocate that she alone can and should decide who shall live and die?
Crazies like yourself are screaming death panels but out of the other side of their big mouths are saying Sebelius and Sebelius alone should decide by intervening and changing rules.
What happens the next time this situation arises. Should she intervene and change the rules again or do nothing?
It's a mute point there pipehead. The court has ruled that the child can be put on the adult transplant list. Doesn't say she is first, just that she will have a better chance at a transplant. Again, answer the question. If this was a Republican administration, would you feel the same way about them saying no to a transplant for a child? I am guessing the answer to THAT question is no, you would be filling your diaper with excrement because the administration dared to not forego the rules for a child. As it stands, as a progressive who feels life should be "fair", apparently that "fairness" applies to only adults and not children? Guess that explains your willingness to see a child die. Shame on you.

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Jun 6, 2013
 
pipedream wrote:
Go ahead and laugh your fat a$$ off all you want. Bottom line is Sebelius doesn't make the rules -- the Organ Transplant Procurement Network (OTPN) in concert with the U.S. Congress establishes policies, rules and regulations. If you don't like the rules, take it up with the organization that makes them.
http://optn.transplant.hrsa.gov/policiesAndBy...
They are already looking at waiving the rule in emergency situations. I guess you forgot to read that part in the original article you posted.
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Jun 6, 2013
 
neecer wrote:
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They are already looking at waiving the rule in emergency situations. I guess you forgot to read that part in the original article you posted.
did it have a picture? If not, the pipester wouldn't understand.

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Jun 6, 2013
 
Really wrote:
If it were a Republican administration that made these comments, the progressives would be frothing at the mouth and spitting all over themselves, however, since it is a progressive administration, it's considered "fair" that Sebelius has taken this stance. And the progessives claim to be the champions of the "little people." yeah right.
Yep just imagine the faux anger of Matthews an Schultz. Just imagine if she was black.

The fact still remains that there is a middle man in the health care industry and it is the federal government judges and secretaries making medical decisions and its going to get worse. This just the beginning.
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While I'm happy that this child is being put onto the larger adult transplant waiting list, it has to make me smile to see so many of you demanding that the government get involved in health care decisions.......

Now we only have to wait to see if they find a suitable donor before time runs out and you can all climb back on the smaller government - keep your hands off our medical care bandwagon!
pipedream

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Jun 6, 2013
 
Bob wrote:
While I'm happy that this child is being put onto the larger adult transplant waiting list, it has to make me smile to see so many of you demanding that the government get involved in health care decisions.......
Now we only have to wait to see if they find a suitable donor before time runs out and you can all climb back on the smaller government - keep your hands off our medical care bandwagon!
One minute the crazies are demanding Govt (HHS) out of health care (Sebelius is a one person death panel -- some will live, some will die), the next they're demanding she intervene and waive established policies, rules and make exceptions.
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Shoeless Eluder wrote:
<quoted text>just imagine the faux anger
No imagination necessary. Your faux anger is apparent.
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Really wrote:
<quoted text>life should be "fair", apparently that "fairness" applies to only adults and not children? Guess that explains your willingness to see a child die. Shame on you.
Never suggested the girl should not be be put on the adult lung transplant list or considered for extraordinary life saving measures. I am saying your faux angst is misdirected towards Sebelius and you and other crazies are twisting this into a political issue and talking out of both sides of your big mouths.

SO YOU can Answer MY question. What do you expect HHS do the next time a similar situation occurs? Intervene and break the rules or follow the rules? Keep in mind they are not HHS rules - they are rules made by experts who make up the Organ Transplant and Procurement Network and United Network for Organ Sharing both of which are private-non profit non-governmental organizations?
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Dr X wrote:
Oh pipedream, or should I say "pipedreams"?? Seems as if we've been posting on multiple computers haven't we? I know there are two of you (friends, brothers, sisters, etc). One posts from a certain location machine, the other from a different location. Sometimes, you share your machines and post from the same computer.
And you need your meds adjusted again. I have no idea what you're talking about. In any case you're apparently too stupid to notice your bastard cousin, weirdo newsmaster 'Rob' is now posting using a anonymous proxy server with a Fairfax, VA ISP and with multiple other names and ISPs. You ought to ask him why he has to do that.

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