Death Panels, Here We Come

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Ben Dover

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Kathleen Sebelius said to day "Someone lives, and someone dies." This is response to a plea for help for a 10 year old to get a lung transplant. For all those who laughed and mocked us this is just the beginning. More of this type of behavior from the left is sure to follow.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sebelius-wont-w...
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

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Not only a corrupt Administration but the most evil... The created the REGULATION that is going to cost lives...... Torches and pitchforks are coming...... Massive Demonstrations will occur....

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The first time I ever laid eyes on Sebelius I could tell that she was a cold calculating person she has dead eyes. And to think she has so much power in her hands is unacceptable. And all of you who thought BHO was going to improve your life with the wave of his pointy finger will regret you ever heard his name.

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And if this was Ms. Sebelius' child or grandchild, you can bet your ass the kid would be next in line for a transplant.

Must be nice to sit up high and look down your nose at everyone and chose who lives or who dies.
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Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
Not only a corrupt Administration but the most evil... The created the REGULATION that is going to cost lives...... Torches and pitchforks are coming...... Massive Demonstrations will occur....
Buddy, you got that right, except it won't be torches and pitchforks and it probably won't be a demonstration. They made their bed and will have to sleep in it.
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neecer wrote:
And if this was Ms. Sebelius' child or grandchild, you can bet your ass the kid would be next in line for a transplant.
Must be nice to sit up high and look down your nose at everyone and chose who lives or who dies.
I wounder if the appeal came from a democrat rep, would she have said the same thing?
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

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Doctor X wrote:
<quoted text>Buddy, you got that right, except it won't be torches and pitchforks and it probably won't be a demonstration. They made their bed and will have to sleep in it.
Remember Italy.......

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Ben Dover wrote:
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I wounder if the appeal came from a democrat rep, would she have said the same thing?
Probably.. but then there would have been the great gnashing of teeth and the lame stream media jumping all over it, and she would have changed her mind.
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Ben Dover wrote:
Kathleen Sebelius said to day "Someone lives, and someone dies." This is response to a plea for help for a 10 year old to get a lung transplant. For all those who laughed and mocked us this is just the beginning. More of this type of behavior from the left is sure to follow.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sebelius-wont-w...
What a cold blooded b@@@@!!!!!!
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Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
Not only a corrupt Administration but the most evil... The created the REGULATION that is going to cost lives...... Torches and pitchforks are coming...... Massive Demonstrations will occur....
If anti-progressives haven't stormed Washington DC by now with mass demonstrations why would this change anything? The leftist media will ignore or downplay this story. They'll spin it. Obama will deny any responsibility and blame republicans. Fox News will cover it and be summarily ridiculed by the liberal public opinion meat-grinding machine.

We've seen this play out a hundred times now.

The Tea Party can't fight progressives alone.
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Of course if the average bagger read the entire quote it probably wouldn't make a difference.....

“The medical evidence and the transplant doctors who are making the rule — and have had the rule in place since 2005 making a delineation between pediatric and adult lungs, because lungs are different that other organs — that it’s based on the survivability [chances].”

Facts you need to ignore:

It was the transplant doctors that set the standard of who qualified.

The protocol was set based on survivability chances, which logic says a doctor is more qualified to make such a decision.

The HHS director is simply following the guidelines set by the professionals, and refuses to allow Big Gov't to make an individual health care decision. Which just happens to be what so many baggers say is what they want to avoid.

And finally,

The rule was in place for over 5 years prior to Obamacare.

Please carry on with all of your Faux Outrage!
Oneal

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... and the spin and insults begin.
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Bob wrote:
It was the transplant doctors that set the standard of who qualified.
Her doctors are saying they could do the transplant successfully and she's going to die without it. Yup...short bus bob is a cold hearted bastard just like the rest of the progressive camp. I have to wonder if you'd be singing the same tune if it was a member of your family about to die.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

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Oneal wrote:
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If anti-progressives haven't stormed Washington DC by now with mass demonstrations why would this change anything? The leftist media will ignore or downplay this story. They'll spin it. Obama will deny any responsibility and blame republicans. Fox News will cover it and be summarily ridiculed by the liberal public opinion meat-grinding machine.
We've seen this play out a hundred times now.
The Tea Party can't fight progressives alone.
When only half the country pays income tax then this will continue.... Tax the other half and the stupid will disappear at the polls......
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

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Bob wrote:
Of course if the average bagger read the entire quote it probably wouldn't make a difference.....
“The medical evidence and the transplant doctors who are making the rule — and have had the rule in place since 2005 making a delineation between pediatric and adult lungs, because lungs are different that other organs — that it’s based on the survivability [chances].”
Facts you need to ignore:
It was the transplant doctors that set the standard of who qualified.
The protocol was set based on survivability chances, which logic says a doctor is more qualified to make such a decision.
The HHS director is simply following the guidelines set by the professionals, and refuses to allow Big Gov't to make an individual health care decision. Which just happens to be what so many baggers say is what they want to avoid.
And finally,
The rule was in place for over 5 years prior to Obamacare.
Please carry on with all of your Faux Outrage!
Like the IRS, the HSS will rule on people's well being.....
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

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Libs are quiet tonight...... Seems they are afraid..... When Chrysler is asked to recall the Jeeps then all they have to say is People die..... Thanks HSS Secretary......

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Bob wrote:
Of course if the average bagger read the entire quote it probably wouldn't make a difference.....
“The medical evidence and the transplant doctors who are making the rule — and have had the rule in place since 2005 making a delineation between pediatric and adult lungs, because lungs are different that other organs — that it’s based on the survivability [chances].”
Facts you need to ignore:
It was the transplant doctors that set the standard of who qualified.
The protocol was set based on survivability chances, which logic says a doctor is more qualified to make such a decision.
The HHS director is simply following the guidelines set by the professionals, and refuses to allow Big Gov't to make an individual health care decision. Which just happens to be what so many baggers say is what they want to avoid.
And finally,
The rule was in place for over 5 years prior to Obamacare.
Please carry on with all of your Faux Outrage!
fact you need to ignore....

“Please, suspend the rules until we look at this policy,” Barletta, a Pennsylvania Republican, asked Sebelius during a House hearing Tuesday on behalf of Sarah Murnaghan, a 10-year-old girl who needs a lung transplant. She can’t qualify for an adult lung transplant until the age of 12, according to federal regulations, but Sebelius has the authority to waive that rule on her behalf. The pediatric lungs for which she currently qualifies aren’t available."

It's according to FEDERAL regulations that she can't get an adult lung transplant. AND Sebilius has the authority to waive the rule on her behalf. Instead, Sebilius decided to make a statement that proves that the "little people" don't matter to her at all.

After all, everyone lives and dies right??
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Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
Like the IRS, the HSS will rule on people's well being.....
And what should scare the crap out of people, even progressives because you know the pendulum will eventually swing back and a conservative will be in the White House, is that we have no guarantees or checks/balances to prevent targeting of political 'unfavorables' for lack of care, denying of transplants, etc. If it could happen at the IRS, it can happen in any agency in the government. These same people who were targeting political groups for unfair scrutiny and treatment may now have a say in whether you live or die...isn't that comforting?
I like Jay Leno's idea: forget about closing Gitmo...close the IRS and send them to Gitmo.
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free thinker wrote:
I have to wonder if you'd be singing the same tune if it was a member of your family about to die.
Nah...he'd be trying to find a way to blame it on Bush. You know the progressive mantra; never let a good death go to waste.
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Bottom line its not Sebelius' place to pick and choose transplant recipients. If a federal judge wants to intervene on this issue and waive the under 12 rule so be it, which is just what has happened today in this case.

“I can’t imagine anything worse than one individual getting to pick who lives and who dies,” she said. Putting Sarah next in line would disadvantage other young people who have also been waiting for transplants — including three others at Childrens's Hospital of Philadelphia who are just as sick as Sarah Murnaghan. Helping one child could possibly hurt another.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/sarah-m...

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