Senate passes ban on smoking in bars,...

Senate passes ban on smoking in bars, restaurants

There are 191 comments on the WZZM Grand Rapids story from May 8, 2008, titled Senate passes ban on smoking in bars, restaurants. In it, WZZM Grand Rapids reports that:

The state Senate voted today to ban smoking in public places including restaurants and bars, sending the issue back to the House, which has passed a similar bill.

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lori

Centerville, UT

#41 May 8, 2008
Baruch HaShem wrote:
Finally someone with the strength, determination and education to understand fully how harmful and dangerous second hand smoking is, nothing ruins a good dinner then someones else smoke coming across your table.
If we are serious about the danger of smoking, then it is our responsibility as a nation to stand up against the special interest of the smoking establishments.
If people or business owners feel that this will hurt there business, they are wrong. there is more then enough statistics, studies, or examples to prove otherwise. In fact, most restaurants will find an increase in business.
Not to mention, a break in there health care cost if they offer there employees insurance. This has been long over-due.
God Bless America.
I agree!!!!!!!!!!
Don

Grand Rapids, MI

#42 May 8, 2008
Nothing ruins a good country than someone else that decides the rules of their own home should apply to my business.#%$!*#$@& you. Stay home. You don't deserve my services. You are invited.
Patty

Virginia Beach, VA

#43 May 8, 2008
Doesn't matter what the Senate does, it will hurt the businesses in the end. Smokers are not the only people who hurt other people,drinkers do also. When is the last time you saw an accident caused by a smoker. People drink alcohol and then get behind the wheel. Think about it.

Since: Jul 07

Key West

#44 May 8, 2008
major findings are that the passage of the state smoking ban in 2003 has directly resulted in a dramatic loss in revenue and jobs in New York’s bars, taverns and clubs.



Specifically, the following statewide economic losses have occurred in New York’s bar and tavern industry as a direct result of the statewide smoking ban:



* 2,000 jobs (10.7% of actual employment)
*$28.5 million in wages and salary payments
*$37 million in gross state product



In addition, there are indirect losses to other businesses which supply and service the state’s bars and taverns:



* 650 jobs
*$21.5 million in labor earnings
*$34.5 million in gross state product



In summary, the enactment of the New York State smoking ban has had a dramatic negative impact on the bar and tavern business and related businesses. The total economic impact is:



* 2650 jobs
*$50 million in worker earnings
*$71.5 million in gross state product (output)

JJB

Grand Rapids, MI

#45 May 8, 2008
This is all because non-smokers don't voice their opinions to the establishments. I ran several restaurants and bars and never once got someone that said they wanted the places to be 100% smoke free. If I got enough of them I would have made them smoke free. A law is unnecessary here. People just get off on using the club of government to get their way. Cowards.
Don

Grand Rapids, MI

#46 May 8, 2008
Mary Sunshine wrote:
major findings are that the passage of the state smoking ban in 2003 has directly resulted in a dramatic loss in revenue and jobs in New York’s bars, taverns and clubs.
Specifically, the following statewide economic losses have occurred in New York’s bar and tavern industry as a direct result of the statewide smoking ban:
* 2,000 jobs (10.7% of actual employment)
*$28.5 million in wages and salary payments
*$37 million in gross state product
In addition, there are indirect losses to other businesses which supply and service the state’s bars and taverns:
* 650 jobs
*$21.5 million in labor earnings
*$34.5 million in gross state product
In summary, the enactment of the New York State smoking ban has had a dramatic negative impact on the bar and tavern business and related businesses. The total economic impact is:
* 2650 jobs
*$50 million in worker earnings
*$71.5 million in gross state product (output)
Exactly. All the studies that show a positive economic impact were done by groups supporting the bans. You won't find an objective study that says the ban helps the economy. The scariest part of any ban is the legal precedent for other bans. Food is next. Religion is coming.(If you don't believe me look at what has been going on in Europe) Nobody has a right to a tell someone what to do with their property. Anyone that thinks that is an enemy of mine. Go to a place that doesn't allow smoking? Why threaten me?

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#47 May 8, 2008
Poison your livers but keep your lungs nice and pink? Makes no sense to me. I may marginally agree with restraunts wanting a ban...but bars?

This is something that needs to be left up to the owners of the establishments in my opinion, at least until they owtlaw smoking period.
Scott

Ann Arbor, MI

#48 May 8, 2008
Similar bans of this type in Ohio resulted in many small bars and restaurants being closed. In these dire economic times, doing things that may well harm small business owners not only makes no sense, it is ridiculous. I realize that second-hand smoke has become a major issue these days, but this is more about economics than a smoking issue. When instituting any bill one must ask if it is good for the economy...this ban isn't. But then again, when is the last time our government did anything that really made sense???

“Go Red Wings!!!”

Since: Oct 07

Plainfield Township MI

#49 May 8, 2008
fluteman greg wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks. You'd be amazed how many gay references I receive. It's fun to waste their time.
LOL!
Scott

Ann Arbor, MI

#50 May 8, 2008
OK, having read all earlier posts, let me point out a few things...teling smokers to "Go somewhere else" just shows ignorance. If they ban smoking in all restaurants and bars, then where do the smokers go? This whole issue has become all about selective discrimination. If I told you that you couldn't go to a bar or restaurant because you were or weren't Caucasian, were male or female, or gay or straight then there would be MAJOR uproar over this. But because it is smoking, the only thing that matters is that non-smokers don't like it. So basically, we get to pick and choose when to discriminate as long as it is the way WE want it to be. Not only is this selfish, it is moronic. The more we let goverment determine what we can or cannot do, the more they will take away from us and the less control we will have over our own lives. Grow up people and learn that not everything in this life is going to be to your liking. Learn to accept it instead of whining and crying everytime things don't go your way.

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#51 May 8, 2008
Whuteva wrote:
Poison your livers but keep your lungs nice and pink? Makes no sense to me. I may marginally agree with restraunts wanting a ban...but bars?
This is something that needs to be left up to the owners of the establishments in my opinion, at least until they owtlaw smoking period.
Whuteva - PLEASE. You are freaking me out with that avatar! LOL! That guy was the creepiest, scariest character in a movie that I've seen since Freddy! PLEASE change it! LOL!!
fluteman greg

Jeffersonville, OH

#52 May 8, 2008
Bobbiez wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!
Actually, if you've been on Topix for any length of time, you probably wouldn't be amazed by anything.

Since: Apr 08

Chagrin Falls, OH

#53 May 8, 2008
Lucy in Rockford wrote:
Hey, Uniontown! I was thinking about you last night! Hubby and I were channel surfing, and just happened to light on Wife Swap; we heard that one family was from Michigan, and the other was from Ohio!
Pretty interesting show - I'll leave it at that.:-0
You'll have to tell me about it the kids ruled over the t.v. last night and didn't get to watch anything noncartoonish.

“Pets-at-Play”

Since: Apr 08

Grand Haven

#54 May 8, 2008
Whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
If you don't like it, go to a smoke-free restaurant or bar or better yet, don't go to a bar at all.
You said it ...
and it applys to you aswell ......
If you don't like the new law DONT GO TO THE BAR!!! Look how much money you will save hmm what is a pack if cigs now? 50.00 for 10 packs hmmm that alone should make everyone STOP!!

“Lost my mind”

Since: Apr 07

be back later

#55 May 8, 2008
Freddi wrote:
It's about time. Everyone complains about the high cost of health care and smoking realated illnesses cost a fortune to treat. It will also be great to be able to go into a bar and not leave smelling like an ash tray. Other states have done this and it works!
No it doesn't. Look at the Twin Cities.. look at the state of Ohio... Look at the state of Hawaii.

We have the highest unemployment rate in Michigan, and yet the government has just accomplished something that will make sure Michigan looses more jobs.

Great Job Lansing!

So tell me, will all you nonsmokers flock to all the establishments now like they promised in Ohio they will do? If so, then we are most certainly guaranteed to loose more jobs!

“God Save The Queen”

Since: Jan 08

Grand Haven

#56 May 8, 2008
The bigger question.
How much of an increase in taxes will the state require of its citizens so this can be enforced?

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#57 May 8, 2008
Lucy in Rockford wrote:
<quoted text>
Whuteva - PLEASE. You are freaking me out with that avatar! LOL! That guy was the creepiest, scariest character in a movie that I've seen since Freddy! PLEASE change it! LOL!!
OK...ok since you said please.

This should be a little more on the lighter side.
fluteman greg

Jeffersonville, OH

#58 May 8, 2008
ho0olly wrote:
<quoted text>
You said it ...
and it applys to you aswell ......
If you don't like the new law DONT GO TO THE BAR!!! Look how much money you will save hmm what is a pack if cigs now? 50.00 for 10 packs hmmm that alone should make everyone STOP!!
How about standing up for private property rights and let the owner decide how he wants to run his business that sits on his private property? Smokers, non-smokers and antis can either decide to enter or find another one that suits their needs. Smokers and non-smokers have no problem with that. Antis on the other hand would rather tell the owner how to run his business and in the process strip away his private property rights. You (antis) also prefer telling people how to live their lives (as shown in your post), behave and believe as antis do. How pathetic and un-American is that? We all know the answer to that. Antis are just too embarrassed to admit it. What a pathetic group.

“A world within a world”

Since: Feb 08

Lovington, NM

#59 May 8, 2008
Pipingdude wrote:
The bigger question.
How much of an increase in taxes will the state require of its citizens so this can be enforced?
Non smokers don't care, until it actually happens; then it will be ... why should we have to pay for it the government did it...!
pegisue

Colorado Springs, CO

#60 May 8, 2008
Will this affect smoking at American Legion, Amvets clubs and similar halls and lodges?

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