Challenge Manufacturing Laying Off Wo...

Challenge Manufacturing Laying Off Workers

There are 96 comments on the WZZM Grand Rapids story from Mar 8, 2008, titled Challenge Manufacturing Laying Off Workers. In it, WZZM Grand Rapids reports that:

The strike at American Axle will leave hundreds of people out of work in the city of Walker.

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Since: Mar 08

Rockford, MI

#65 Mar 10, 2008
Im sure we all had a father or grandfather who went on strike for better wages ,pension plans. I for one dont like strikes ,But yet my grandfather made it better by standing up for a better future for me. If not we all should be happy making minimum wages! And quit fighting for better pay,health benifits, Why shouldnt they fight for what some of our parents and grandparents fought so hard for.Maybe Im wrong,But I dont want to be making minimum wage .And if we give into these Companys thats what will happen I bet,could be wrong.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#66 Mar 10, 2008
Batch 37 Pain is Good wrote:
The Union should reimburse the State for the unemployment claims filed by all the auto related layoffs. This is an optional layoff.
The workers on strike do not collect unemployment. The union pays them only $200 per week for strike pay,plus pays for the continuation of their medical benefits during the strike.
Batch 37 Pain is Good

United States

#67 Mar 10, 2008
Arctic49519 wrote:
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The workers on strike do not collect unemployment. The union pays them only $200 per week for strike pay,plus pays for the continuation of their medical benefits during the strike.
Right, I was talking about the other factories that are laying off as a result of actions taken by American axle.
Taxpayer

Grand Rapids, MI

#68 Mar 10, 2008
Vivian wrote:
I wish the workers at American Axle would think about how they are very Directly effecting Michigans already suffering economy. So many families that are struggling to make ends meet as it is are going to suffer because of their strike.I certainly hope that they are proud of themselves for putting so many others out of work, and for what more money? Are they going to be willing to help all these other families make the mortgage payments, feed their kids, keep the utilities on with what they get? No, because what they are doing only concerns them and what they can get out of it without any regard for all the others they are putting out of work.
Oh, sure, the shareholders get out their box of tissues and cry each time they cash a dividend check and say to themselves "we really need to think of the workers more" and take a financial loss.

Think and don't hurt yourself.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#69 Mar 10, 2008
Batch 37 Pain is Good wrote:
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Right, I was talking about the other factories that are laying off as a result of actions taken by American axle.
The union isn't responsible for those layoffs, and you know already know that.
Those layoffs are just another unfortunate consequence of corporate greed. Big business doesn't care about what's best for america or americans, only profits.

“Taz say Hi”

Since: Jan 08

Holland,MI

#70 Mar 10, 2008
Just think a moment how these companies came to be. American Axle, Delphi, and Challenge Manufacturing were spun off by GM, along with others, to put the parts makers in the position where they could pressure them to cut, cut, cut which GM could not do with them as part of GM. And GM was not the only automaker to do that. Each of these companies is in the position that they only have one customer which puts them in a bind to even survive.
Batch 37 Pain is Good

United States

#71 Mar 10, 2008
Arctic49519 wrote:
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The union isn't responsible for those layoffs, and you know already know that.
Those layoffs are just another unfortunate consequence of corporate greed. Big business doesn't care about what's best for america or americans, only profits.
Arctic, Profits is the only reason they exist in a free market. That said, the consumer really is driving the bus here. Consumer can change corporate thinking by not buying overseas products. Corporations are not there to provide jobs they are there to provide profits to investors like you and me.

“Dude, Where's my car?”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#72 Mar 10, 2008
Shane wrote:
Hey I think its time they bring in some scab workers no one likes to hear it but the strike is hurting to many people and the pay cut sucks but it looks like they would have to change some things in order to make it but hey if they dont want to do it theirs plenty of other people that are willing to take their jobs
... And then when the company decides that you are making too much they will get some more scabs to take your job at even less pay...

“Dude, Where's my car?”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#73 Mar 10, 2008
Gentle Taz wrote:
Just think a moment how these companies came to be. American Axle, Delphi, and Challenge Manufacturing were spun off by GM, along with others, to put the parts makers in the position where they could pressure them to cut, cut, cut which GM could not do with them as part of GM. And GM was not the only automaker to do that. Each of these companies is in the position that they only have one customer which puts them in a bind to even survive.
Add to the list... Prince, to JCI (which is now spitting it's automotive and controls divisions to be able to cut their unprofitable interiors division) to Plastec (currently in bankruptcy), to Royal Plastics (minimum wage and no bennies).

“Taz say Hi”

Since: Jan 08

Holland,MI

#74 Mar 10, 2008
Batch 37 Pain is Good wrote:
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Arctic, Profits is the only reason they exist in a free market. That said, the consumer really is driving the bus here. Consumer can change corporate thinking by not buying overseas products. Corporations are not there to provide jobs they are there to provide profits to investors like you and me.


I guess I can't buy another american nameplate car as most of their parts are made outside the country. Korean nameplate maybe? I understand that one of the Korean companies has an operation in the south that makes most of the parts for their cars that they make there much like the american nameplate companies used to.

“Dude, Where's my car?”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#75 Mar 11, 2008
Gentle Taz wrote:
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I guess I can't buy another american nameplate car as most of their parts are made outside the country. Korean nameplate maybe? I understand that one of the Korean companies has an operation in the south that makes most of the parts for their cars that they make there much like the american nameplate companies used to.
You are right GT. It's Hyundai. They have a huge plant south of Montgomery, Alabama. The plant literally goes on for miles. You can see part of it from I-65. The process they use is call "Foundry to Finish" meaning basically everything needed for the vehicles is built on site. No outsourcing, no fuel costs for delivery of parts or shipping cost from importing them from over-seas etc. Other than a few electrical parts it is all built right there.

http://www.hmmausa.com/
Batch 37 Pain is Good

United States

#76 Mar 11, 2008
In the end, it may be that an automotive job is not a high paying job it once was. Pay structures evolve.
jonny

United States

#77 Mar 12, 2008
So, you're trying to say that the CEO of Countrywide Mortgage has a "right" to make a multi-million dollar bonus while his company is losing tens of millions of dollars per week while laying off thousands of workers & all the while their stock(YOUR MONEY)is falling like a brick? Or, the SteelCase Porker-President was right in keeping bonuses for himself & fellow execs even though they failed to meet their corporate (SOMEBODY'S RETIREMENT) goals (and of course laid off 100's of workers)? Haven't even talked about Home Depot & other companies who pd off their CEO's big money to get lost,despite their stocks plummeting(NEIGHBORS NEST EGG). Goals & dreams should come before greed.
Investor wrote:
Remember now that CEO's are getting paid good money for what they do... raising shareholder value! In most cases, the stock market is where employee pensions and retirement plans are invested. We want our american companies to make money, this will increase the value of pensions, 401ks, etc. Maybe a deal can be made to decrease the salaries of the employees while giving then a ownership interest in the company? Stock options maybe? CEO's pay is directly affected by the companys performance, why don't we make the employees wage directly linked to the companies performance. In addition, why don't we take the companys debt and make the employees responsible for a portion of it. This way they can find out exactly what it is like to be a buisness owner. If the company files bankruptsy because of the strike, so should the workers. The buisnes has to compete globally, why shouldn't the workers?
jonny

United States

#78 Mar 12, 2008
Alabama has a Mercedes,Hyndai & Chrysler(?-1 of the big 3). Honda's made in Ohio. S. Carolina has BMW, Tennessee has Saturn & Nissan & now Mississippi will soon have a Toyota(after the union problems in Coopersville,MI scared them away). Unions have been a big part (not the only) of the reason why Michigan is where it's @. My former union (UAW)president got to keep his job,while I took the ax. All I got from the union was a pat on the back & the words, "sorry we have to lay you off, but times are tough". Why did I ever pay those dues?(To help pay for my former pres' salary)
Gentle Taz wrote:
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I guess I can't buy another american nameplate car as most of their parts are made outside the country. Korean nameplate maybe? I understand that one of the Korean companies has an operation in the south that makes most of the parts for their cars that they make there much like the american nameplate companies used to.
terry from bowling

AOL

#79 Mar 12, 2008
FRANNY MOIT wrote:
at least there will be a little unemployment $$$. i too hope this is short lived.
look at how the chips fell when these butts decided to go on strike. not only them out of work but others who depend on the next step in the job.
I do not know who you are, but the Fran Moit I know does not live in Nashvillie TN, You really should use another name and stop making nasty remarks under her name.
Tim Kidder

Monroe, MI

#80 Mar 12, 2008
I have read every comment made in this forum. There is a lot of truth to be said on both sides and there is an answer somewhere in the middle. Both the companies, who answer to the stock holders have become greedy and so have the unions and there workers. Many union workers cannot honestly tell you they truly earn what they make. Many take it easy and when someone really tries hard and makes the others look bad they are condemned for it. There needs to be a little give and take on both sides or many many more jobs will be lost and not just at American Axle. Maybe a cut of only half of the reduction will work for everyone. Lets not be bull headed, work out something soon.

Since: Oct 07

Holland, MI

#81 Mar 12, 2008
jonny wrote:
Alabama has a Mercedes,Hyndai & Chrysler(?-1 of the big 3). Honda's made in Ohio. S. Carolina has BMW, Tennessee has Saturn & Nissan & now Mississippi will soon have a Toyota(after the union problems in Coopersville,MI scared them away). Unions have been a big part (not the only) of the reason why Michigan is where it's @. My former union (UAW)president got to keep his job,while I took the ax. All I got from the union was a pat on the back & the words, "sorry we have to lay you off, but times are tough". Why did I ever pay those dues?(To help pay for my former pres' salary)
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Excellent post! I have been saying this exact thing. Funny how all the union members scream corporate greed while the automakers and their employees migrate and flourish to right to work states.

Gee I wonder why?
Yeah Right

Sparta, MI

#82 Mar 13, 2008
Arctic? Come on? The key word is "raised". The union USED to do all of that but what goes up...must come down. In this case it's the union and they're bringing everyone down with them. Republican or Democrat don't you be an axx. Oh..wait a second. It's you.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#83 Mar 14, 2008
Mark is blown away wrote:
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Excellent post! I have been saying this exact thing. Funny how all the union members scream corporate greed while the automakers and their employees migrate and flourish to right to work states.
Gee I wonder why?
The companies might flourish in the "right-to-work-for-less " states, but the workers do not. It's called exploitation.
It's a shame we have no federal legislation to level the playing field and prevent poor states from being America's "cambodia".
Batch 37 Pain is Good

United States

#84 Mar 14, 2008
Arctic49519 wrote:
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The companies might flourish in the "right-to-work-for-less " states, but the workers do not. It's called exploitation.
It's a shame we have no federal legislation to level the playing field and prevent poor states from being America's "cambodia".
If companies want to higher cheap labor then they run the risk of only obtaining low quality employees. They know that will cost them big time in absences, medical, and other problems associated with having low income workers. The market will force the wages to work to both sides interests. Govt. intervention will only screw thing up.

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