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“Don't touch my junk man!”

Since: Nov 07

Middle of the Mitten, Michigan

#43 Sep 2, 2009
Compulsory Abortion for American Women

The trio prescribed a rigidly enforced, government-imposed limit of two children per family. Holdren and the Ehrlichs maintained "there exists ample authority under which population growth could be regulated." Hiding behind the passive voice, they note, "it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing constitutionif the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society." (Emphasis added.) To underscore they mean business, they conclude, "If some individuals contribute to general social deterioration by overproducing children, and if the need is compelling, they can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" (pp. 837-838). Moreover, if the United States government refuses to take proper measures, they authorize the United Nations to take compelling force.

Same link as above.

“Don't touch my junk man!”

Since: Nov 07

Middle of the Mitten, Michigan

#45 Sep 2, 2009
And my favorite quote, wait for it, it's from page 787-8:

Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control. Indeed, this would pose some very difficult political, legal, and social questions, to say nothing of the technical problems. No such sterilant exists today, nor does one appear to be under development. To be acceptable, such a substance would have to meet some rather stiff requirements: it must be uniformly effective, despite widely varying doses received by individuals, and despite varying degrees of fertility and sensitivity among individuals; it must be free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock.

Answer me this Arctic-was this-or was it not in a book co-authored by Holdren????

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#46 Sep 2, 2009
Ms Angie wrote:
And my favorite quote, wait for it, it's from page 787-8:
Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control. Indeed, this would pose some very difficult political, legal, and social questions, to say nothing of the technical problems. No such sterilant exists today, nor does one appear to be under development. To be acceptable, such a substance would have to meet some rather stiff requirements: it must be uniformly effective, despite widely varying doses received by individuals, and despite varying degrees of fertility and sensitivity among individuals; it must be free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock.
Answer me this Arctic-was this-or was it not in a book co-authored by Holdren????
Where does he say that he advocates doing it? Where? I don't see it.

I can write a report or talk about the concept of gas chambers and shipping prisoners to the moon but it doesn't mean I advocate doing it.

I'm still waiting for the part where Holdren proposes doing it or supports it. Where is it????
Sandy

United States

#47 Sep 2, 2009
Arctic49519 wrote:
<quoted text>
Where does he say that he advocates doing it? Where? I don't see it.
I can write a report or talk about the concept of gas chambers and shipping prisoners to the moon but it doesn't mean I advocate doing it.
I'm still waiting for the part where Holdren proposes doing it or supports it. Where is it????
You are being deliberately obtuse and you know it. Query me this...if say, Rudy Guliani or John McCain had co-authored such a book with these statements in them, would you be so willing to overlook it???? Knowing your stand on how you slam everything on the right and call them "extremists" and "kooks", I think it is a fair guess that you would not give them a pass. Once again, the double standard you exhibit is amazing.
Sandy

United States

#48 Sep 2, 2009
Ms Angie wrote:
And my favorite quote, wait for it, it's from page 787-8:
Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control. Indeed, this would pose some very difficult political, legal, and social questions, to say nothing of the technical problems. No such sterilant exists today, nor does one appear to be under development. To be acceptable, such a substance would have to meet some rather stiff requirements: it must be uniformly effective, despite widely varying doses received by individuals, and despite varying degrees of fertility and sensitivity among individuals; it must be free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock.
Answer me this Arctic-was this-or was it not in a book co-authored by Holdren????
Two thumbs up Angie!!!!! Great job! Two red hearts! I can't come up with enough praise for you! I'm not worthy!!!!! LOL
GR_Paul

Grand Rapids, MI

#49 Sep 2, 2009
Sandy wrote:
<quoted text>You are being deliberately obtuse and you know it. Query me this...if say, Rudy Guliani or John McCain had co-authored such a book with these statements in them, would you be so willing to overlook it???? Knowing your stand on how you slam everything on the right and call them "extremists" and "kooks", I think it is a fair guess that you would not give them a pass. Once again, the double standard you exhibit is amazing.
Put a book quote in front of Arctic:

"doesnt mean he supported it, even though he wrote it"

Put a video in front of Him:

"I dont care if he said it, he isnt hurting me!!"

Put audio in front of him:

"This is all lies from Fixed News and Glenn Beeeeeeck!"

This joker is totally out of avenues to defend any of the garbage coming from DC, so he is just now going to stick his fingers in his ears and whistle and hopes he can make it all go away.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#50 Sep 2, 2009
Sandy wrote:
<quoted text>You are being deliberately obtuse and you know it. Query me this...if say, Rudy Guliani or John McCain had co-authored such a book with these statements in them, would you be so willing to overlook it???? Knowing your stand on how you slam everything on the right and call them "extremists" and "kooks", I think it is a fair guess that you would not give them a pass. Once again, the double standard you exhibit is amazing.
I could write a book about the nuts you support and academically talk about their positions or whatever else, but that doesn't automatically mean I endorse those positions. Let's see the proof. Let's see where Holdren supports those ideas. There isn't any.

The "useful idiots" are merely taking Beck's word for it that this guy wants to poison your water so they can run around like crazed zombies screaming "communism."

Doesn't it tell you something when the mainstream elected GOP officials aren't touching it?
Most of the "useful idiots" are also birthers who didn't learn their lesson about crying wolf even after the GOP threw them (the birthers)under the bus last month.

How far do you think these nonsense attempts at distraction are going to help these nuts?

“Pleasantly Deranged”

Since: Apr 08

West Michigan

#51 Sep 2, 2009
ya'll would be better off shutting off the idiot box for a week or 2.

“Pleasantly Deranged”

Since: Apr 08

West Michigan

#52 Sep 2, 2009
is that even possible?

Since: Sep 07

Grand Rapids, MI

#53 Sep 2, 2009
I don't understand how these kooks praying for the Presidents death is any different from Air America running skits about President Bush being shot, or about a movie about him being assinated?

And I'm sure Arctic or Pete NEVER once closed they're eyes and wished Bush dead...did they?

Once again, praying for the presidents death isn't cool, but it is freedom of speech, no matter how much you don't like it.

Arctic and Pete only like the first amendment when it suits they're beliefs....

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#54 Sep 2, 2009
dragon_fly121 aka steve wrote:
I don't understand how these kooks praying for the Presidents death is any different from Air America running skits about President Bush being shot, or about a movie about him being assinated?
And I'm sure Arctic or Pete NEVER once closed they're eyes and wished Bush dead...did they?
Once again, praying for the presidents death isn't cool, but it is freedom of speech, no matter how much you don't like it.
Arctic and Pete only like the first amendment when it suits they're beliefs....
That's just brilliant Steve.
So condemning someone for hate speech and attempting to incite violence now becomes an attack on the 1st amendment...
Gotta love that republican logic. About the same as their irrational belief that if you didn't support the failed Bush invasion/occupation of Iraq then you didn't support the troops.
GR_Paul

Denver, CO

#55 Sep 2, 2009
Arctic49519 wrote:
<quoted text>

How far do you think these nonsense attempts at distraction are going to help these nuts?
Oh Arctic, you are sooooo adorable when you're crashing and burning.

“Lost my mind”

Since: Apr 07

be back later

#56 Sep 2, 2009
Arctic49519 wrote:
<quoted text>
That's just brilliant Steve.
So condemning someone for hate speech and attempting to incite violence now becomes an attack on the 1st amendment...
Gotta love that republican logic. About the same as their irrational belief that if you didn't support the failed Bush invasion/occupation of Iraq then you didn't support the troops.
But it was ok for the movie about Bush assassination, and it was ok for Air America to spew their garbage. That falls underneath first amendment rights correct?

BUT heaven forbid if someone speaks out against Dear Leader. We're not allowed to do that. You won, therefore only YOU can say anything and we're just suppose to sit down and shut up correct?

WRONGO! We had to deal with your whining and hissy fits for the past 8 years. We are STILL dealing with Pete's constant hard-on for war crimes. Guess you get to listen to the disagreements as well Artic. Free speech really does work both ways, whether you like it or not.
GRR

Denver, CO

#57 Sep 2, 2009
Wide_Stance wrote:
ya'll would be better off shutting off the idiot box for a week or 2.
No, its too quiet. They fear the silence.
GRR

Denver, CO

#58 Sep 2, 2009
Wide_Stance wrote:
is that even possible?
No it isn't. The dumbing down has reached the bottom.
Palin is Good

Grand Rapids, MI

#59 Sep 2, 2009
Seems to me the real people are outdoing the the real astroturfs.

Funny how Glenn AND FOXNEWS is cleaning house on vierwers, funny how the top selling books are all conservative.

But, how in the hell can you dem-Obama lovers not say a thing about getting our factories back in USA.?
I hear nothing about our tax money I think $3 billin,going to Brazil to drill for friggen oil.
Nothing about that Morgans rum getting $145 million to build on some Island someplace.

It must be oh Glenny is beating you propaganda lefty websites, go ahead, smear all you want, because you done wore out your welcome by bashing Bush for 8 years, Soros funded, now you are just insignifigant idiots.
Sandy

United States

#60 Sep 2, 2009
GRR wrote:
<quoted text>
No it isn't. The dumbing down has reached the bottom.
No it hasn't, you're still posting. Apparently you haven't reached the bottom yet. Promoting the dumbing down of America is high on the left's list of things to accomplish.

Since: Jun 09

GR

#61 Sep 3, 2009
Arctic49519 wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm the atheist. I believe Pete is a catholic.
I'm not a communist.
I believe in regulated capitalism with the socialization of basic services like health care, public schools, sanitation, infrastructure, as well as natural resource management.
One Marxist principle is that the competition of capitalism would eventually create a larger and larger proletariot class that would become more and more desperate and unable to compete with the elite few getting richer and richer and holding the power. This would inevitably lead to a breaking point where the masses overthrow the greedy capitalists.
What you don't seem to understand is that my stance on regulated capitalism and socialized services avoids the overthrow of unbridled capitalism.
Your stance on "let the free market" do what it wants just marches you towards that communist takeover at double-time, especially at the point this country is in, the way the wealth is distributed compared to what it was just a few decades ago, and the way wealth keeps trickling upward with more and more Americans getting poorer. If you want that communist takeover then keep telling Americans it's "patriotic" and "freedom" to have nothing while it's OK for business to exploit people because that's the American way.
Well, I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question with something other than insults. But I don't understand how you could believe in concepts like "regulated capitalism", and socializing basic services without recognizing the clear communistic nature in both of those notions. Furthermore, I don't except the theory that capitalism or "free market" left on it's own leads to communism. That's simply absurd and has never once been proven.

In fact, in 200 years plus under the basic principles of capitalism this country has flourished and provided services, goods and technological advancements that dwarf anything other countries have offered while countries that try socialism fail, much to the suffering of the very people you claim to be concerned about.

It's only when the government steps in and f's with the system by implementing the kind of socialized regulations you promote that things go belly-up. You have only to look at the sub-prime lending debacle as proof.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

United States

#62 Sep 3, 2009
The lefties get it wrong again. They fail every time their dream is tried.

“Fear causes hesitation”

Since: Mar 09

Holland, MI

#63 Sep 3, 2009
_Dingo wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question with something other than insults. But I don't understand how you could believe in concepts like "regulated capitalism", and socializing basic services without recognizing the clear communistic nature in both of those notions. Furthermore, I don't except the theory that capitalism or "free market" left on it's own leads to communism. That's simply absurd and has never once been proven.
In fact, in 200 years plus under the basic principles of capitalism this country has flourished and provided services, goods and technological advancements that dwarf anything other countries have offered while countries that try socialism fail, much to the suffering of the very people you claim to be concerned about.
It's only when the government steps in and f's with the system by implementing the kind of socialized regulations you promote that things go belly-up. You have only to look at the sub-prime lending debacle as proof.
Well said Dingo.

The Left doesn't want to count the last 200 years of economic growth.

They think since we had a recession, we must change. That recessions can be avoided when in reality they can't.

Karl Marxist biggest complaint on Capitalism was the hills and valleys of bubbles, recessions and depressions. And he was right.

But it's still the best economic form out there.

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