West Michigan watches Obama, Romney debate: Add your reactions here

Oct 3, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: MLive.com

Joe Doyle and about 15 to 20 other "Democratic faithful" plan to gather tonight in a northwest Grand Rapids home for a presidential debate watch party.

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There's a tsunami coming if we don't get our financial house in order.....and Obama hasn't a clue. Spain got downgraded to junk bond status... France at 75% tax on wealthy... BLS putting out BS.... And an algorithm caused problems the other day. Two triple digit downs in a row....

And Obama trying to cover up a terrorist attack on 9-11.
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What if you lived in the year 1820 except you had the relics of some highly advanced civilization surrounding you which were broken and inoperable?

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GW tried to stop the fanny Freddy mess, and you Dem's wouldn't go for it.

Also about 70 democrat senators made vwrt tough speeches to get rid of Sodom, including Hillary.

Obama has wasted the money ,if it was so bad with GW, then why did Obama make it worse.? He squandered the money all because of that liberal philosophy, nothing logical he just trashed USA stem to stern.
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<quoted text>Absolutely not....IF YOU CAN LOOK AT WHERE THIS COUNTRY WAS ECONOMICALLY IN 2008.......THEN, TELL ME, WE ARE WORSE OFF NOW......You have no understanding of economics at all....Sandy, be honest, it's not all about politics....
It's all in how you spin it.

The economy is no longer in a tailspin, thank God, but there's no evidence one way or another that Barack's $780 billion stimulus dump made a difference, or that we just reached a bottom and leveled out. Jobs have been added, which is good, but not enough to even keep up with the number of people added to the job market, which is bad.

Middle-class income is down by just over $4,000 per year while gas prices have increased by 106 percent, from $1.85 for a gallon of regular to $3.82. Home values are down by 11 percent while worker health insurance costs are up by 23 percent, despite the passage of Obamacare. And, as the critics of Obamacare predicted, many Americans have lost their health insurance as a result of the new law, never mind the president's promise that people who liked what they had could keep it.

Under Obama the federal debt has increased by more than half and is now over $16 trillion while the debt per person has increased by just over $16,000. College tuition is up by 25 percent, the number of Americans living in poverty has gone from 39.8 million to 46.2 million and a record 47 million of our family, friends, and neighbors are now receiving food stamps.

There are some places where America is, under Obama, now No. 1ólike the corporate tax rate, which earlier this year became the highest in the world.

At best, Go Blue, you can argue we're better off in some areas than we were at our very worst. But I can argue we're much worse than we were in some areas than in 2008 - and just provided the facts that back me up. Either way, you cannot possibly point to anything Barack Obama has done specifically that has grown the economy, lowered our deficit, or provided full-time career jobs like those we enjoyed before the financial meltdown.

In the end it appears at best Barack Obama has been ineffective one way or the other in regards to jobs and the economy. Basically, he's presided over this mess for 4 years and aside from enacting one of the most unpopular (and unread) laws this country has ever seen, has voted "present" everywhere else.
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Go Blue wrote:
$10.7 trillion in debt...Two wars and a mortgage crisis on the taxpayers credit card....I'd say, GW did more than his share, would'nt you? Many had a hand in this crisis, but acting like you have amnesia, only makes it worse....
Some facts....I know you don't like them!

Reagan 8 years added 1.7 trillion to the debt and led us out of a recession

Clinton 8 years added 1.5 Trillon to the debt and had a republican house and senate so he worked with them and not against them.

George W 8 years added 5 trillion to the debt, but also had to deal with 911 and Katrina, but we all agree that was too much!

Obama 45 months Added 5.4 trillion to the debt, more than the first 41 presidents combined, 3 credit downgrades. If W was bad Obama is worse! I truly believe if he had and R behind his name, the Democrats would be going insane trying to get rid of this guy.

division in this country along with poverty is at an all time high.

So even If Romney is not the best guy ( he may actually be), He deserves the chance simply because he is the only other option, and another 4 years like the last 4 would be devistating to future generations, and the debt would be over 21 trillion wich would be 10.4 trillion in 8 years added.....remember all presidents thru W combined added up to 10.7 trillion, Obama has the potential of matching that all by himself if given 8 years!

Again OMG
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http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-P...

For those who want proof

Notice the first graph ends 6/30/12

This is by year and by president and yes Obama did raise the National debt more than the first 41 presidents combined it is at 16 trillion now!

Bush W added just under 5 trillion and obama has added 5.4 trillion already and is projected to add 1.3 trillion per year moving forward.
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Diggs wrote:
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Under Obama the federal debt has increased by more than half and is now over $16 trillion while the debt per person has increased by just over $16,000. College tuition is up by 25 percent, the number of Americans living in poverty has gone from 39.8 million to 46.2 million and a record 47 million of our family, friends, and neighbors are now receiving food stamps.
There are some places where America is, under Obama, now No. 1ólike the corporate tax rate, which earlier this year became the highest in the world.
At best, Go Blue, you can argue we're better off in some areas than we were at our very worst. But I can argue we're much worse than we were in some areas than in 2008 - and just provided the facts that back me up. Either way, you cannot possibly point to anything Barack Obama has done specifically that has grown the economy, lowered our deficit, or provided full-time career jobs like those we enjoyed before the financial meltdown.
In the end it appears at best Barack Obama has been ineffective one way or the other in regards to jobs and the economy. Basically, he's presided over this mess for 4 years and aside from enacting one of the most unpopular (and unread) laws this country has ever seen, has voted "present" everywhere else.
Diggs, i think we probably need to exclude the gas prices from any real comparisn, because i don't think Bush or Obama have any real control over global oil pricing.....Regarding entitlements, i am all for paring them down, especially the ones that don't work, like Section 8 housing, EBT system(due to fraud)...Social Security needs reworked....College tuition pricing is up to the states, but we don't need places like California, making it so illegal aliens pay cheaper, instate fees......When you bring up the deficit, i recall shouting for Obama to cut spending, so he suggested cutting our bloated defense spending...then they shouted, He's harming our troops!....Really?.... As for the Stimulus package, i saw tons of highway and infrastructure work down here, even all the way to Tennessee, as we drove up there during that period. You are aware that even Mitt Romney has admitted the Stimulus, produced jobs? Tailspin is a good term, for what was happening in 2008, even worse than that....we were in huge(stock market, banks, financial institutions, euro-economy,etc.) trouble....As far as what Obama did or did'nt do...i say, look at the improvements? I know, this is a heated election, but many don't give him much credit when he does good stuff(huge illegals deported, Bin Laden, etc.)....Recall the rate that we were losing jobs, during the meltdown, and we know now, that momentum like that, is very dangerous.....Until we can be honest about the real danger then, we cannot honestly deal with levels of economic relativity....The Dow-Jones was at 6500, then..it is 13,500 now....Housing starts have finally come around...Auto and truck sales are way up and consistantly up.....Building permits are up, a great sign....Consumer confidence is up....Bankruptsys are down....Home prices rising, very important......We need to average 200-300,000 new jobs a year, to actually catch up on heavily improved employment numbers....We can ask, could it be better?..Of course it could, and we all hope for improvement, but to say what was actually going on in 2008, was'nt worse...i just can't trust anyone who says that.......We need to not exxagerate....$16 trillion is not double,$10.6 trillion, plus charged wars...Okay? After all, like you say, things are tough enough...and your correct...we need more progress, but a slow recovery is, in the end, just what we need. Anything too fast or overheated, would be a prescription for a repeat crash....We need both parties to put aside the partisan BS, and start working for country, rather than party....I am afraid, we also need to start having a conversation about, the new and future normal....Agree?...
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Diggs wrote:
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It's all in how you spin it.
The economy is no longer in a tailspin, thank God, but there's no evidence one way or another that Barack's $780 billion stimulus dump made a difference, or that we just reached a bottom and leveled out. Jobs have been added, which is good, but not enough to even keep up with the number of people added to the job market, which is bad.
Middle-class income is down by just over $4,000 per year while gas prices have increased by 106 percent, from $1.85 for a gallon of regular to $3.82. Home values are down by 11 percent while worker health insurance costs are up by 23 percent, despite the passage of Obamacare. And, as the critics of Obamacare predicted, many Americans have lost their health insurance as a result of the new law, never mind the president's promise that people who liked what they had could keep it.
Under Obama the federal debt has increased by more than half and is now over $16 trillion while the debt per person has increased by just over $16,000. College tuition is up by 25 percent, the number of Americans living in poverty has gone from 39.8 million to 46.2 million and a record 47 million of our family, friends, and neighbors are now receiving food stamps.
There are some places where America is, under Obama, now No. 1ólike the corporate tax rate, which earlier this year became the highest in the world.
At best, Go Blue, you can argue we're better off in some areas than we were at our very worst. But I can argue we're much worse than we were in some areas than in 2008 - and just provided the facts that back me up. Either way, you cannot possibly point to anything Barack Obama has done specifically that has grown the economy, lowered our deficit, or provided full-time career jobs like those we enjoyed before the financial meltdown.
In the end it appears at best Barack Obama has been ineffective one way or the other in regards to jobs and the economy. Basically, he's presided over this mess for 4 years and aside from enacting one of the most unpopular (and unread) laws this country has ever seen, has voted "present" everywhere else.
You are correct that it could be much better than we are....But, those that distort how bad it actually was, during that meltdown, for political point, are not honest, to themselves or others....What is up now...Home sales, Auto and Truck sales, Building permits, Consumer confidence, Productivity....Wall street-Dow Jones was 6500 then, and is 13,500 now...Could thing be better?...Sure, they could and we all hope for better times ahead....Perhaps we should consider having a serious talk about the new and future normal....Also, these politicians seriously need to start working for the good of the country more, and the good of the party less....all of them....As for the Stimulus, i saw all kinds of infrastructure work, down here and up to Tennessee....Heck, even Romney admitted, the Stimulus produced jobs....As for Obama, i look at the big picture and to me, we are much more stable than during the meltdown, when he arrived...so, that's me....He never gets any credit for all the illegal's he deported or Osama dead...i just hear all the slams.....He escorted us all, through a treacherous period, did'nt he?....And lets not exxagerate...$16 trillion is not double, what $10.6 plus two wars charged is....We just need to agree, that the height of the meltdown, the huge job losses and economic dangers around every corner, was much worse than present day's tasks.....Once we can agree on where we came from, well you likely understand.....
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Sorry, topix is wierd...at first it erased my first post for being too long,,,oh well...lol...
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Blue,
Here is a GR Press Article stating that Grand Rapids Home Builders had a good third quarter.
http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/i...
Go Blue wrote:
<quoted text>Diggs, i think we probably need to exclude the gas prices from any real comparisn, because i don't think Bush or Obama have any real control over global oil pricing.....Regarding entitlements, i am all for paring them down, especially the ones that don't work, like Section 8 housing, EBT system(due to fraud)...Social Security needs reworked....College tuition pricing is up to the states, but we don't need places like California, making it so illegal aliens pay cheaper, instate fees......When you bring up the deficit, i recall shouting for Obama to cut spending, so he suggested cutting our bloated defense spending...then they shouted, He's harming our troops!....Really?.... As for the Stimulus package, i saw tons of highway and infrastructure work down here, even all the way to Tennessee, as we drove up there during that period. You are aware that even Mitt Romney has admitted the Stimulus, produced jobs? Tailspin is a good term, for what was happening in 2008, even worse than that....we were in huge(stock market, banks, financial institutions, euro-economy,etc.) trouble....As far as what Obama did or did'nt do...i say, look at the improvements? I know, this is a heated election, but many don't give him much credit when he does good stuff(huge illegals deported, Bin Laden, etc.)....Recall the rate that we were losing jobs, during the meltdown, and we know now, that momentum like that, is very dangerous.....Until we can be honest about the real danger then, we cannot honestly deal with levels of economic relativity....The Dow-Jones was at 6500, then..it is 13,500 now....Housing starts have finally come around...Auto and truck sales are way up and consistantly up.....Building permits are up, a great sign....Consumer confidence is up....Bankruptsys are down....Home prices rising, very important......We need to average 200-300,000 new jobs a year, to actually catch up on heavily improved employment numbers....We can ask, could it be better?..Of course it could, and we all hope for improvement, but to say what was actually going on in 2008, was'nt worse...i just can't trust anyone who says that.......We need to not exxagerate....$16 trillion is not double,$10.6 trillion, plus charged wars...Okay? After all, like you say, things are tough enough...and your correct...we need more progress, but a slow recovery is, in the end, just what we need. Anything too fast or overheated, would be a prescription for a repeat crash....We need both parties to put aside the partisan BS, and start working for country, rather than party....I am afraid, we also need to start having a conversation about, the new and future normal....Agree?...
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GDP is over 100% for the first time in history!

Simply put the debt will accelerate.

All signs point to a double dip reccesion, and quite possibly more severe than the last one!
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http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-P ...

For those who want proof

Notice the first graph ends 6/30/12

This is by year and by president and yes Obama did raise the National debt more than the first 41 presidents combined it is at 16 trillion now!

Bush W added just under 5 trillion and obama has added 5.4 trillion already and is projected to add 1.3 trillion per year moving forward.
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Sassy wrote:
Blue,
Here is a GR Press Article stating that Grand Rapids Home Builders had a good third quarter.
http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/i...
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That national trend, was the motivator for the huge increase in new pickup truck sales.....Sassy, i understand many of the positive economic trends, may be regional...but, they are occuring...all people have to do is forget the election for awhile, and read the business section, everyday.....EXAMPLE : Nightly news last week, had a segment on the drought raising pork(bacon) prices sky-high....they reported americans eat on average 54 pounds of pork a year, but due to the shortage, that could drop down to 47 pounds per year....Well, thats not so.....feeling me, now?....lol...and i am killer on a charcoal grill, with pork....lol....
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more diversion from facts.........it's not working scroll up and read!
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Some facts....I know you don't like them!

Reagan 8 years added 1.7 trillion to the debt and led us out of a recession

Clinton 8 years added 1.5 Trillon to the debt and had a republican house and senate so he worked with them and not against them.

George W 8 years added 5 trillion to the debt, but also had to deal with 911 and Katrina, but we all agree that was too much!

Obama 45 months Added 5.4 trillion to the debt, more than the first 41 presidents combined, 3 credit downgrades. If W was bad Obama is worse! I truly believe if he had and R behind his name, the Democrats would be going insane trying to get rid of this guy.

division in this country along with poverty is at an all time high.

So even If Romney is not the best guy ( he may actually be), He deserves the chance simply because he is the only other option, and another 4 years like the last 4 would be devistating to future generations, and the debt would be over 21 trillion wich would be 10.4 trillion in 8 years added.....remember all presidents thru W combined added up to 10.7 trillion, Obama has the potential of matching that all by himself if given 8 years!

Again OMG
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I agree with you. Some just like to look at the glass as half empty vs half full. LOL.
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<quoted text>That national trend, was the motivator for the huge increase in new pickup truck sales.....Sassy, i understand many of the positive economic trends, may be regional...but, they are occuring...all people have to do is forget the election for awhile, and read the business section, everyday.....EXAMPLE : Nightly news last week, had a segment on the drought raising pork(bacon) prices sky-high....they reported americans eat on average 54 pounds of pork a year, but due to the shortage, that could drop down to 47 pounds per year....Well, thats not so.....feeling me, now?....lol...and i am killer on a charcoal grill, with pork....lol....
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"Glass half empty vs half full." Soooo, those who are practicing the art of being ostriches view the glass as half full? Wow, never thought of it that way. Perhaps I should investigate the ostrich syndrome. Nope, on 2nd thought, I want to see the train that hits me.
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You already have. It began many years ago. Pay attention.
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"Glass half empty vs half full." Soooo, those who are practicing the art of being ostriches view the glass as half full? Wow, never thought of it that way. Perhaps I should investigate the ostrich syndrome. Nope, on 2nd thought, I want to see the train that hits me.
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You already have. It began many years ago. Pay attention.
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Well, that just proves that you don't truly know me in spite of what you think you know. I see you decided to "pop out" of your liberal hiding hole. Good to see you.
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Really wrote:
"Glass half empty vs half full." Soooo, those who are practicing the art of being ostriches view the glass as half full? Wow, never thought of it that way. Perhaps I should investigate the ostrich syndrome. Nope, on 2nd thought, I want to see the train that hits me.
Not as much as i do.....lol....

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