Rob

United States

#148 Mar 13, 2014
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>Are you just dense on purpose?

Business owners take all the risk..... Really?

The well deserved rich take nowhere near all of the risk. Don't believe it? Take a look at how the stocks issued by a company like Ford Motor Co. is set up......

http://beginnersinvest.about.com/od/stocksopt...

If your lowly educated mind can grasp the truth in that revelation, then try to explain to us how the only one that lost money when Enron collapsed was Jeffrey Skilling.

Then explain who many cities, counties, and states that give big business special tax breaks get burned when the companies have a change of heart. Isn't it you patriots that keep bringing up government funding of green jobs? Want to exlain how those business owners are the only ones that are at risk?

Wake The F**k Up!
Are you really that stupid? Don't answer. Most big businesses are started from small businesses. I don't know any that started with stock holders. As I said, they take the risk from the start. You are just plain and simply stupid. If you can't grasp that then you won't grasp much else.
Now that everybody has decided not to waste anymore time educating you. I'm beginning to think I should do the same. Nobody can get you out of your mothers basement but yourself. You will only go as far as your dancing career takes you Jason.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Mount Morris, MI

#149 Mar 13, 2014
Rob wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you really that stupid? Don't answer. Most big businesses are started from small businesses. I don't know any that started with stock holders. As I said, they take the risk from the start. You are just plain and simply stupid. If you can't grasp that then you won't grasp much else.
Now that everybody has decided not to waste anymore time educating you. I'm beginning to think I should do the same. Nobody can get you out of your mothers basement but yourself. You will only go as far as your dancing career takes you Jason.
Bobbie has no idea what it takes to make a business...... He feels entitled........
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Mount Morris, MI

#151 Mar 13, 2014
Rob wrote:
<quoted text>
He has no idea of much. He feels entitled to everything because his mother has babied him his whole life. When he moves out of the basement into a place of his own and gains some responsibility he will then begin to wise up. Mommy never burdened him with responsibility. She felt it was to hard for his little brain. About the most responsibility he has is dancing at the Rainbow Club every night.
Sundays with Piper........ Maybe drinks are half off......
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#152 Mar 14, 2014
Rob wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you really that stupid? Don't answer. Most big businesses are started from small businesses. I don't know any that started with stock holders. As I said, they take the risk from the start. You are just plain and simply stupid. If you can't grasp that then you won't grasp much else.
Now that everybody has decided not to waste anymore time educating you. I'm beginning to think I should do the same. Nobody can get you out of your mothers basement but yourself. You will only go as far as your dancing career takes you Jason.
Whatever job your probation officer allows you to perform, it's obvious that business owner isn't one of those choices.....

Joe Blow decides to start a business and the first thing he does is go to the lawyer's office to start a corporation or limited liability company. Once he has an entity between his personal wealth and the creditors, he goes to the SBA for a guaranteed bank loan, which if he fails is somebody else's problem once he files for bankruptcy protection.

Everyone but the lowly educated and brainwashed will recognize terms like limited liability and bankruptcy protection. Almost like the business owner isn't the only one taking a risk.

Of course, very few small businesses just starting out have to consider a unionized workforce. That usually comes after the owner provides the employees with a good reason to opt for the help that organized labor can provide them.

Go back to cleaning those bedpans, and let the rest of us discuss things you know nothing about!
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#153 Mar 14, 2014
Rob wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you really that stupid? Don't answer. Most big businesses are started from small businesses. I don't know any that started with stock holders. As I said, they take the risk from the start. You are just plain and simply stupid. If you can't grasp that then you won't grasp much else.
Now that everybody has decided not to waste anymore time educating you. I'm beginning to think I should do the same. Nobody can get you out of your mothers basement but yourself. You will only go as far as your dancing career takes you Jason.
Sadly, he really IS that stupid.

You're trying to reason with someone who's clearly never owned a business or employed a single person. His entire life has been spent looking out for Numero Uno, and obviously failing miserably.

Typical of today's vacant D-Bagger, despite one iota of actual life experience, he has no problem insisting he knows better than everyone else and goes about snottily insulting anyone who doesn't buy into his ridiculous BS.

Is it any wonder non-contributing, entitlement-fixated, neo-lib D-Bags worship at the alter of an equally inexperienced, non-contributing, ego-maniacal, amateur president?

“Where I came from”

Since: Jan 09

the universe

#154 Mar 15, 2014
Its gone from "in some cases your health insurance will cost less than your cell phone bill" to having the president almost say cancel your cable get rid of your cell phone so you can buy insurance that you may or may not need. Can anyone really say that the president has a clue of what real life is like? can anyone really say the the president really cares about anyone but himself ? The president and his wife really think they are the smartest people in the existence of man they sit there and make condescending statements at you and you eat it up. And the media sits on its hands, so its up to you to realize that these so called people (which I am beginning to doubt they are) are really the most low despicable creatures ever to come into existence.

“Where I came from”

Since: Jan 09

the universe

#155 Mar 15, 2014
Of course we wont hear this from the media, about the number of people still uninsured!!! Shout it from the mountain tops THE PP/ACA WAS NOT DESIGNED TO HELP ANYONE STAY HEALTHY OR GET BETTER TREATMENT AT LOWER COSTS. What a waste of our time..

Now back to MH370 it was not hijacked it did not crash it entered a vortex got sent forward in time for a few minutes and is now landed at some airport in the future trying to get back as the langoliers eat up the past. IMO just as plausible as any other theory so far. Or it flew into a black hole that is why even though the communication ended the plane kept flying ..
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#156 Mar 15, 2014
Shoeless Eluder wrote:
Its gone from "in some cases your health insurance will cost less than your cell phone bill" to having the president almost say cancel your cable get rid of your cell phone so you can buy insurance that you may or may not need.
Yes Humptycare has morphed from "everyone can now afford insurance" into exactly what conservatives predicted, an incredibly expensive powergrab that doesn't address what it was promised to, including covering every eligible American.

In response, the progressives' new mantra is, "well, we know better than you what health care you need, so STFU and get to the back of the bus".

The democrats irresponsible bending over for this Harry Reid progressive wet dream health care grab is going to come at a high price, not just for every working American, but for the democrat party in the midterm elections as they get piledriven right out of both houses.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#157 Mar 15, 2014
Bob wrote:
You can always spot the village idiot who has never worked a single day in their worthless little lives on a factory floor...... Their whiny rants about how those workers make $20 per/hour for simply putting in a couple of screws or bolts shows just how far away they are from the real world..... Outside of the cube farm where they produce nothing but stacks of paper with no real value......
What these carpet crawlers won't admit is that they are too weak to be able to do the work these union employees do. They also refuse to mention that after all of the wage concessions, after all the jobs shifted off shore where workers make pennies on the dollar, their heroes have never passed on a single dollar of those savings to the consumer!
They'll never understand that no matter how hard the working class is pressed downward, there will always be a middle class. The very meaning of the phrase is the people who earn something between the top of the scale and the bottom....
They also don't understand that when the real workers are driven into the lower class, the only place left for the deserving rich to squeeze out a few more dollars of profit is going to be the cube farm!
Now this is a perfect example of a "rant"...
What's funniest about this rant is the claim that "carpet crawlers are too weak to do the work that union employees do". The reality is union workers have been so long exposed and limited to union defined job description limitations they have no other nor were ever encouraged learn other skills and when confronted with possible lay-offs have to be retrained, if that's even possible with a GED or high school education.
Dream on bob...I've been around union shops and employees longer than you have been alive.
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#158 Mar 15, 2014
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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Now this is a perfect example of a "rant"...
What's funniest about this rant is the claim that "carpet crawlers are too weak to do the work that union employees do". The reality is union workers have been so long exposed and limited to union defined job description limitations they have no other nor were ever encouraged learn other skills and when confronted with possible lay-offs have to be retrained, if that's even possible with a GED or high school education.
Dream on bob...I've been around union shops and employees longer than you have been alive.
Your childish lie that it is the union that sets job descriptions is just more proof that you know nothing about the subject. Union contracts come about through negotiation between labor and management. If you have a problem with what they are asked to do on the job, then you should understand that management agreed to it......

Unless of course you're going to say that it's union blackmail, and management cowardice!
pipedream

New York, NY

#159 Mar 16, 2014
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
Now this is a perfect example of a "rant"...
What's funniest about this rant is the claim that "carpet crawlers are too weak to do the work that union employees do". The reality is union workers have been so long exposed and limited to union defined job description limitations they have no other nor were ever encouraged learn other skills and when confronted with possible lay-offs have to be retrained, if that's even possible with a GED or high school education.
Dream on bob...I've been around union shops and employees longer than you have been alive.
You're jealous & envious eh Wiggles. Sour grapes huh? You can't stand the thought of someone being paid more than you? You don't like the fact that someone without a college degree is making a better living than you. They don't have a degree but you do so therefore you're entitled but they're not? Union /management set wage rates, benefits, work rules thru negotiations. Its not done in a vacuum. Take a course in basic labor/management relations, collective bargaining then get back to me .... until then just STFU you're stupidity and jealousy is showing.
Phil

Almont, MI

#160 Mar 16, 2014
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>You're jealous & envious eh Wiggles. Sour grapes huh? You can't stand the thought of someone being paid more than you? You don't like the fact that someone without a college degree is making a better living than you. They don't have a degree but you do so therefore you're entitled but they're not? Union /management set wage rates, benefits, work rules thru negotiations. Its not done in a vacuum. Take a course in basic labor/management relations, collective bargaining then get back to me .... until then just STFU you're stupidity and jealousy is showing.
You know all about vacuum cleaners don't you. God knows you've burned out enough of them in your time. Get your damn meds adjusted you freak!

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#161 Mar 17, 2014
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Your childish lie that it is the union that sets job descriptions is just more proof that you know nothing about the subject. Union contracts come about through negotiation between labor and management. If you have a problem with what they are asked to do on the job, then you should understand that management agreed to it......
Unless of course you're going to say that it's union blackmail, and management cowardice!
My point wasn't about contract negotiations it was about people ceasing to expand their skills outside of their job description.
Try to keep up.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#162 Mar 17, 2014
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
You're jealous & envious eh Wiggles. Sour grapes huh? You can't stand the thought of someone being paid more than you? You don't like the fact that someone without a college degree is making a better living than you. They don't have a degree but you do so therefore you're entitled but they're not? Union /management set wage rates, benefits, work rules thru negotiations. Its not done in a vacuum. Take a course in basic labor/management relations, collective bargaining then get back to me .... until then just STFU you're stupidity and jealousy is showing.
Actually I feel kinda sorry for people who stop learning and growing their skills and then are suddenly thrown back into the real world with no more union to help get them wages that far exceed their limited skills.They are left with no marketable skills to offer an employer.
I removed myself from that dead end 40 years ago and have no regrets and have never looked back.
pipedream

New York, NY

#163 Mar 17, 2014
O really Wiggles? But you're still pissed aren't you? BTW sound like you're advocating wages being set by some board that decides what is and what's not appropriate based on some arbitrary criteria. Good luck with that you Commie socialist bazturd!
pipedream

New York, NY

#164 Mar 17, 2014
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
My point wasn't about contract negotiations it was about people ceasing to expand their skills outside of their job description.
Try to keep up.
lol Bull shitola. quit changing the goal posts. It was quite obvious what you were suggesting - including but no limited to -- its not fair when someone with a limited education can earn a living wage while someone more educated is paid less. BTW how do you know the average line worker does not have more than a h.s. or GED education? You're either generalizing or projecting, or both.
pipedream

New York, NY

#165 Mar 17, 2014
Tutu goes Tutu. good job Oneal. Glad you finally came out.

http://faithtap.com/954/the-pink-tutu-project...
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#166 Mar 18, 2014
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
My point wasn't about contract negotiations it was about people ceasing to expand their skills outside of their job description.
Try to keep up.
The real point is that what little you know about union workers is some second hand bullshit that you heard from some other carpet crawler that didn't know what he was talking about either.

There are many union employees who are required by their employers to continue their educations in order to either keep their jobs or to advance. Sadly, there are way too many workers where their employer has no intention of allowing their worker's to climb out of production into a management position within those companies. In many of those cases, a so called upward movement actually means a cut in pay and benefits.

It's fairly obvious that you have some unfounded hatred for workers that have organized to improve their lot in life. Why is beyond rational thought. Almost everyone in this country belongs to some type of organization that seeks to improve their member's lives through the strength of their combined voices. It could be as simple as belonging to a political party, a religious order, a veterans association, the Chamber of Commerce, or AARP.

Only a small minded person would deny one group's rights to be heard when they belong to another group with the same basic mission.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#167 Mar 18, 2014
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
The real point is that what little you know about union workers is some second hand bullshit that you heard from some other carpet crawler that didn't know what he was talking about either.
There are many union employees who are required by their employers to continue their educations in order to either keep their jobs or to advance. Sadly, there are way too many workers where their employer has no intention of allowing their worker's to climb out of production into a management position within those companies. In many of those cases, a so called upward movement actually means a cut in pay and benefits.
It's fairly obvious that you have some unfounded hatred for workers that have organized to improve their lot in life. Why is beyond rational thought. Almost everyone in this country belongs to some type of organization that seeks to improve their member's lives through the strength of their combined voices. It could be as simple as belonging to a political party, a religious order, a veterans association, the Chamber of Commerce, or AARP.
Only a small minded person would deny one group's rights to be heard when they belong to another group with the same basic mission.
Your preconceived notions about what others think and their life experience leaves you in a very weak position. Almost every post I make you interestingly try to tell me what I think and feel and know to try to promote your agenda constantly risking and sacrificing your validity with regards to the accuracy of my experience, background, and life status.
Unions have done as much or more harm as they have done good. It's a fact, face it.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#168 Mar 18, 2014
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
lol Bull shitola. quit changing the goal posts. It was quite obvious what you were suggesting - including but no limited to -- its not fair when someone with a limited education can earn a living wage while someone more educated is paid less. BTW how do you know the average line worker does not have more than a h.s. or GED education? You're either generalizing or projecting, or both.
Unions had their purpose when it came to safety in the workplace, a common accepted 40 hour work week, over time pay, holidays and vacation time, health insurance, and other gains.
The false mantra that an uneducated high school dropout could join a union and be paid wages beyond their marketplace value only because of their union membership is not a base for anger on my part. It's a realization people have been screwed in the same way people who pay a tithe to a church or religious organization and are given a false sense of being saved and getting the heaven reward even though they didn't try.

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