And now for your weekly gas price increase...

There are 161 comments on the WZZM Grand Rapids story from May 7, 2008, titled And now for your weekly gas price increase.... In it, WZZM Grand Rapids reports that:

The "Pain at the Pump" just got worse. Your eyes are not playing tricks on you. Gas in West Michigan is really at $3.89 a gallon for regular unleaded.

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Since: Feb 08

Portage, MI

#121 May 8, 2008
-LMS- wrote:
I asked this question earlier, but does anyone know about how long it would take to ride a bicycle 25 miles? Seriously, I am almost considering riding a bike to work. Definitely have to get a more comfortable seat though!
You received an answer erlier as well from another post. If you ride at 10 MPH? It will take you 2 and one half our to get to your destination.

Since: Jan 08

Auburn

#122 May 8, 2008
When we were in Phoenix, that is what they use in their city busses and shuttles. They were paying a little over $2.00 a gallon, but they also got like 45 mpg. That's a good article.
Sam wrote:
Here's an interesting article I found on my MSN homepage.
Fill up for $5? You can in Utah
By The Associated Press
Troy Anderson was at a gas pump in Salt Lake City and couldn't have been happier, filling up at a rate of $5 per tank. Anderson was paying the equivalent of 63.8 cents a gallon for compressed natural gas, making Utah a hot market for vehicles that run on the fuel. It's the country's cheapest rate for compressed gas, according to the Natural Gas Vehicle Coalition, and far less than the $3.60 or so national average price for a gallon of gasoline.
Personal ownership of natural-gas-fueled vehicles in Utah has soared from practically nothing a few years ago to an estimated 5,000 autos today, overwhelming a growing refueling network, where compressors sometimes can't maintain enough pressure to fill tanks for every customer.
"Nobody expected this kind of growth. We got caught by the demand," said Gordon Larsen, a supervisor at Utah utility Questar Gas. Utah has 91 stations, including 20 open to the public, mostly in the Salt Lake City area. The others are reserved for commercial users, such as school districts, bus fleets and big businesses. It's possible to drive the interstates from Rock Springs, Wyo., to St. George, Utah -- a distance of 477 miles -- and find 22 places to pull off and fill up.
"Utah has the cheapest prices by a big margin," said Richard Kolodziej, the president of the Natural Gas Vehicle Coalition, whose members include utilities, Honda Motor, environmental groups and transit agencies. Among major utilities outside Alaska, Questar is the country's cheapest provider of natural gas for home use. It can offer compressed natural gas for cars even cheaper because of a federal tax credit. The incentives don't stop there. Buyers of new and some used and converted vehicles can claim their own federal and state tax credits totaling up to $7,000 -- nearly the extra cost of a vehicle fueled by compressed natural gas, also known as CNG.
Higher gas prices are likely as the summer driving season approaches. MSNBC's Chris Jansing talks to energy expert Randa Fahmy Hudome. Republican Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman paid $12,000 of his own money to modify a state-owned Chevrolet Suburban last June.
"Converting to CNG gives us an opportunity to promote energy security and support a clean-burning alternative," Huntsman said in an e-mail. "Plus, who can beat running a Suburban on 63 cents a gallon?"
Mike Gaffa, a Continental Airlines reservation clerk, bought a used Ford F-150 pickup for $10,500. The vehicle came with a bonus: A previous owner had added three extra tanks that fill the bed of his pickup. "I don't even keep track of gasoline prices anymore," Gaffa boasted. "You'd be hard-pressed to find another vehicle that can go 600 miles on a fill-up." And when he runs out of natural gas, Gaffa can switch over to a regular gasoline tank for a total range of more than 850 miles.
Utah has caught the attention of Honda, which can't make CNG-equipped Civic GXs fast enough at its Ohio plant. For now, Honda makes the compacts available for sale to individuals only in California and New York, but the company says Utah could be next on their list.
Most Utah buyers must turn to the used-car market. They are tracking down vehicles on the Internet, some made earlier by the Detroit automakers. Some dealers are hauling used CNG vehicles to Utah by the truckload. "The demand in Utah is huge," Kolodziej said. "It's sucking all the used vehicles from around the country."

“Dude, Where's my car?”

Since: Jan 08

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#123 May 8, 2008
purplizzy wrote:
When we were in Phoenix, that is what they use in their city busses and shuttles. They were paying a little over $2.00 a gallon, but they also got like 45 mpg. That's a good article.
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So if you converted all 800,000,000 +(that 800 million) vehicles in he US to natural gas what to do you think the price of natural gas would do?

Since: Feb 08

Portage, MI

#124 May 8, 2008
Hurley35 wrote:
<quoted text>So if you converted all 800,000,000 +(that 800 million) vehicles in he US to natural gas what to do you think the price of natural gas would do?
Quadrupil!

Give me an A Hurley!

“Dude, Where's my car?”

Since: Jan 08

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#125 May 8, 2008
Randy Whitten wrote:
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Quadrupil!
Give me an A Hurley!
You get an "A". So natural gas isn't a solution to our addiction to fossil fuels.
tom

Caledonia, MI

#126 May 8, 2008
mama knows wrote:
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I hear ya! That's the main thing keeping me off a bike.
get a comphy seat and a gel pad seat cover like I did- ride all day no pain / middle aged male

“Lost in the middle somewhere..”

Since: Nov 07

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#127 May 8, 2008
Randy Whitten wrote:
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You received an answer erlier as well from another post. If you ride at 10 MPH? It will take you 2 and one half our to get to your destination.
Sorry, I must have missed it! Thank you for the info, though. I don't know why I didn't think to do that math.

“Lost in the middle somewhere..”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#128 May 8, 2008
tom wrote:
<quoted text>get a comphy seat and a gel pad seat cover like I did- ride all day no pain / middle aged male
Where can you buy a gel pad seat cover?

“Lost in the middle somewhere..”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#129 May 8, 2008
Gentle Taz wrote:
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Based on the pace I used to ride at (abt. 15 mph), it should take you roughly 2 hours. I rode at that pace on a single speed, balloon tire bike. It used to take me about 2 hours from Holland to Grand Rapids. It might take you longer, initially, depending on your physical condition.
Thank you Taz and Hurley for your input. I am in pretty good physical condition. I have lost about 30 lbs over the last few months and I am thinking that by riding my bike to work (50 miles round trip) I might lose this last 12 lbs pretty quick and get tone while I'm at it. I just have to come up with the motivation to actually do it. That is a lot of miles on a bike. Not to mention time. But looking at gas prices what choice do I have? Except maybe to get a scooter or moped. That just may be the better way to go.

Since: Feb 08

Portage, MI

#130 May 8, 2008
-LMS- wrote:
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Sorry, I must have missed it! Thank you for the info, though. I don't know why I didn't think to do that math.
Your welcome, not a problem. Glad to help anytime.

Since: Feb 08

Portage, MI

#131 May 8, 2008
-LMS- wrote:
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Thank you Taz and Hurley for your input. I am in pretty good physical condition. I have lost about 30 lbs over the last few months and I am thinking that by riding my bike to work (50 miles round trip) I might lose this last 12 lbs pretty quick and get tone while I'm at it. I just have to come up with the motivation to actually do it. That is a lot of miles on a bike. Not to mention time. But looking at gas prices what choice do I have? Except maybe to get a scooter or moped. That just may be the better way to go.
If your going to move on a scooter? You need to move quick. The money mongers that take advantage of bad situations will be adjusting accordingly based on supply & demand!
The bike riding is a great idea if you do not have much to do once you get home. I personally drive 96 miles per day round trip to work. I already ride a motorcycle since gas started going out of site year before last. Last year I put 17,000 miles on mainly to work and home.
It cut my cost a bunch though. If I lived closer? A scooter would work great. I just cannot go on the highway with a 125cc or less engine size. I am not sure I would get on the highway with the 90 mph folks anyway with a 60 mph bike.(Scary)

“Lost in the middle somewhere..”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#132 May 9, 2008
Randy Whitten wrote:
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If your going to move on a scooter? You need to move quick. The money mongers that take advantage of bad situations will be adjusting accordingly based on supply & demand!
The bike riding is a great idea if you do not have much to do once you get home. I personally drive 96 miles per day round trip to work. I already ride a motorcycle since gas started going out of site year before last. Last year I put 17,000 miles on mainly to work and home.
It cut my cost a bunch though. If I lived closer? A scooter would work great. I just cannot go on the highway with a 125cc or less engine size. I am not sure I would get on the highway with the 90 mph folks anyway with a 60 mph bike.(Scary)
I was thinking of a motorcycle until I discovered that you have to take a safety course to get a license. Not that I wouldn't take the course, I just don't have a whole lot of time to go through all the requirements to get a motorcycle license. Out of curiousity, though, how much do you figure you have saved driving a motorcycle instead of a car?

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#133 May 9, 2008
FED UP wrote:
<quoted text> Your right! My brother-in-law was in Germany last summer, their gas prices average around $7.00 to $8.00 a gallon, those who do own cars don't drive them to work, they use mass transit because at those prices they simply can't afford to drive every day. But Europe's public transportation system is many times better then what any city in this country has to offer.
Chicago, Boston, San Fransisco and New York all have excellent mass transit systems.

Since: Feb 08

Portage, MI

#134 May 9, 2008
-LMS- wrote:
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I was thinking of a motorcycle until I discovered that you have to take a safety course to get a license. Not that I wouldn't take the course, I just don't have a whole lot of time to go through all the requirements to get a motorcycle license. Out of curiosity, though, how much do you figure you have saved driving a motorcycle instead of a car?
I am saving on average $25.00 per week. My car gets 23 mpg and my bike gets at a minimum 38 mpg

I drive 480 mile per week just for work.

I'll say 13 gallon of gas per week for my bike.

verses 21 gallon for my car.

Also I save on insurance due to having my car insured as well.

Insurance for my bike is $290 a year.

As for the bike training, you only need to apply for an endorsement, then you can set an appointment with a 3rd party testing facility like Moseley's in Muskegon.

You are able to pay an extra $50.00 to rent there little 250 Honda to take the skills test.

You take the written test at the secretary of state.

It really takes little time to achieve and at the rate of increase of gas, its also well worth the little bit of time.

I realize 21 gallon per week does not sound like much, but multiply that by 7 months of riding season, like 32 weeks 32 x 672 gallon of gas at current pricing of $3.86 per gallon =$2,593.92
I will save $2,593.92 this summer riding my bike from April 2nd to I figure the first week of November.

I started riding April 2nd 2008

I plan to ride until snow starts sticking.

The numbers above do not show what I save in oil & filter changes at 3 quarts verses 5 for my car.

I would dare say I am saving well over $3,000.00 per season in a variety of way with my bike.

People say they will not ride in GR due to traffic & such, but its safe to ride anywhere as long as you do everyone else's driving for them!
You have to be prepared to expect the unexpected.

Good luck and hope you decide to ride. You will enjoy it.

Let me know if you need anything else? I am willing to share my experience as a seasoned rider if you need any help.
Kentwood Parent

Grand Rapids, MI

#135 May 9, 2008
pregnant and crabby wrote:
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I was just going to say the same. I'm all for it! Bring back the horses and the buggies! Then we wouldn't be hurting as much!(don't know what it cost to feed a horse or two, but I bet it would be less than filling up your tank twice a week)
I think that would be kind of fun, at least in the begining. We have become accustomed to a fast paced life style nobody is going to settle for horse and buggy that will take a lot longer to get across town. Then the clean up, but it can't be as bad as car exhaust.

The Amish still make it work. I'm all for it. Instead of garages we could have barns and corrals.
src

Holland, MI

#136 May 9, 2008
Gentle Taz wrote:
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Charter school?
yes they go to charter school my kids have done very well there.

Since: Feb 08

Portage, MI

#137 May 9, 2008
-LMS- wrote:
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I was thinking of a motorcycle until I discovered that you have to take a safety course to get a license. Not that I wouldn't take the course, I just don't have a whole lot of time to go through all the requirements to get a motorcycle license. Out of curiousity, though, how much do you figure you have saved driving a motorcycle instead of a car?
I may have messed up a little on my math on my previous reply. I was trying to rush it out. I am saving 7 gallon per week x 32 weeks of riding = 224 gallon saved x $3.86 per gallon =$864.64

So I may be saving a little over $1,000.00 per riding season.

I wish it were the other numbers I posted. Sorry for the mistake.
Kentwood Parent

Grand Rapids, MI

#138 May 9, 2008
tom wrote:
<quoted text>you are both dreaming, this country lives on fuel, for commercial delivery, trucking, agriculture, industry, along with the rest of the world.
your solution will, in fact, have no effect.
even if consumption went down at all, prices would be increased to cover costs & profits.
1st of all this country was founded on dreams. But the reality of it is there is no easy answer but they say the prices go up because of high demand and low output so don't demand and let the supply rise. At some point they will have to get rid of it. Something is better than nothing. Plus if we learn not to "depend" on it we won't have to pay as much even if they raise the prices.

But those are all things that take a very long time to do and most of us are just trying to survive today. All I know is that currently we are making changes even though they are small they have had an impact on our gas budget. Not solved it but made it more livable.

Like running out of bread and instead of running to the store using extra hamburg or hot dog buns or even breaking out the bread maker. Grabbing an extra loaf at the store to throw in the freezer even though I don't think the frozen bread is as soft once it thaws it's doable.

Good luck everyone.
Kentwood Parent

Grand Rapids, MI

#139 May 9, 2008
Hurley35 wrote:
<quoted text>We probably have the most Speedway gas stations per capita in the nation. Just watch when prices go up next time (next week) Speedway is ALWAYS the first station to up prices, the other stations always follow Speedway's lead.
My sister use to manage a gas station and would have to drive around each day to see what other stations were charging and she at one time said the rule of thumb is never be below Speedway. I don't know why that is, but follows what you have noticed.

“God Save The Queen”

Since: Jan 08

Grand Haven

#140 May 9, 2008
Barrel of oil at $124.60 today
Gallon of Un Leaded gas at $3.15 wholesale price in 5000 gal lots.
Congress thinks if they stop putting oil in the SPR it will help lower the price. NOT. They haven't a clue.
Price of a barrel last May was $61, this May $125
This is getting to be a great circus.

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