Sen. Elbert Guillory Gets It

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Jun 22, 2013
 
Oneal wrote:
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BINGO! And if you don't like the sounds of that don't blame me, you voted for the party that perpetuates victimization pandering for votes. Your statistics only prove my point.
What has your progressive liberal democrat party done for black people, aside from hook them up on a drip of government aid, food stamps, and promises of something for doing nothing? Have they improved the public educational system? No. In fact, all they've done is strengthened a union who's only mission is to protect teachers, whether they've earned it or not. Blacks still rank dead last in education with no signs of improvement despite 4+ years of a president who you'd think has more interest in that problem than any in the past.
Have they improved the employment opportunities for black people? No. In fact, with our current unemployment figures in it seems your party hasn't managed to help ANYONE find jobs, let alone the ill-educated inner city poor black people that you all claim to be so concerned about.
As a conservative I believe black people can do anything they want. They can be as successful and happy as they want, depending on how they decide to work at it - just like every other color in America.
Why do you think black people can't take care of themselves, Jules? Why do you think they can't succeed without help from the government and social justice?
Seems to me what I'm saying is black people are equal to me and everyone else around here, while you're saying they are not.
Who's the racist again?
Blacks are just like every other color when it comes to opportunities? Do yourself a favor and visit a school in say, Hudsonville. Then go to south Chicago and visit a school there. And don't say my party when talking about my political positions. I'm not tied down to any one party, like you are evidently. I'm not for dems or repubs, I'm for people because that's what this government is supposed to be working for. For a long, long time they have been failing. I've written my legislative representatives asking that parents be held accountable for their children missing school through age 16, more they are held accountable now. Take away welfare funds or fine them if they are working. I've asked that tutoring be mandatory for those kids failing classes and that GEDs should be made harder and require more studying, maybe giving kids more of an incentive to stay in school. Both parties have failed the education system, particularly in minority schools. We pay for it with crime and full prisons, costing us much more than just money. There is nothing more sad than a child who feels like the rest of the world has thrown him out with the garbage.
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Jun 22, 2013
 
Jules wrote:
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Blacks are just like every other color when it comes to opportunities? Do yourself a favor and visit a school in say, Hudsonville. Then go to south Chicago and visit a school there. And don't say my party when talking about my political positions. I'm not tied down to any one party, like you are evidently. I'm not for dems or repubs, I'm for people because that's what this government is supposed to be working for. For a long, long time they have been failing. I've written my legislative representatives asking that parents be held accountable for their children missing school through age 16, more they are held accountable now. Take away welfare funds or fine them if they are working. I've asked that tutoring be mandatory for those kids failing classes and that GEDs should be made harder and require more studying, maybe giving kids more of an incentive to stay in school. Both parties have failed the education system, particularly in minority schools. We pay for it with crime and full prisons, costing us much more than just money. There is nothing more sad than a child who feels like the rest of the world has thrown him out with the garbage.
And it is NOT just black children that have been failed by the education system. It is ALL children who have been failed by a system that has more money thrown at it than almost any other country in the world. And they want more money all the time.
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So black people are ignorant now? And that's better than calling them stupid? Keep digging your hole, you are exposing more and more the deeper you get.
LOL...pricless; you don't know the difference between ignorant and stupid. You might want to look up the definitions before you make yourself look any more ignorant (or maybe you really are just stupid...your posts are sort of leaning that direction) If you don't have a high school diploma, you most certainly are ignorant compared to your more educated peers no matter what color your skin is. Statistics just show that a larger percentage of those in the ignorant category happen to be black. But don't believe me...believe them:
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Blacks are just like every other color when it comes to opportunities? Do yourself a favor and visit a school in say, Hudsonville. Then go to south Chicago and visit a school there.
Try again. My daughter just graduated from the second hardest high school in Michigan (top 50 in the country). A large percentage of her peers were black and ALL of them are college accepted (it's a requirement of graduation there). These kids succeeded in their educations in a challenging environment where the others did not. You might want to ask yourself why. My observation is that children will rise to the bar you set for them and those that WANT an education and understand the importance of one will be willing to do the work required to get one.
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Jun 23, 2013
 
Jules wrote:
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Blacks are just like every other color when it comes to opportunities? Do yourself a favor and visit a school in say, Hudsonville. Then go to south Chicago and visit a school there. And don't say my party when talking about my political positions. I'm not tied down to any one party, like you are evidently. I'm not for dems or repubs, I'm for people because that's what this government is supposed to be working for. For a long, long time they have been failing. I've written my legislative representatives asking that parents be held accountable for their children missing school through age 16, more they are held accountable now. Take away welfare funds or fine them if they are working. I've asked that tutoring be mandatory for those kids failing classes and that GEDs should be made harder and require more studying, maybe giving kids more of an incentive to stay in school. Both parties have failed the education system, particularly in minority schools. We pay for it with crime and full prisons, costing us much more than just money. There is nothing more sad than a child who feels like the rest of the world has thrown him out with the garbage.
But I bet you voted for Obama.

I get what you're saying and for the most part agree with you. But, people have opportunities no matter where they live in America - including South Chicago. We have spent BILLIONS on social services, counseling, financial aid, vouchers, bridge cards, anti-drug campaigns, sex education, education improvement programs, etc, etc ... It's had little impact statistically.

The politicians can only do so much with taxpayer money. The left has chosen to use that aid as a vote-garnering weapon, but when allowed more taxpayer dollars they've only strengthened the teachers union, which has clearly had little impact on the students' education.

Bush tried with No Child Left Behind, but that same union cheated on test scores in order to get more money, passing poorly-educated kids on to make their quota. NCLB, in my opinion, was Bush's worst piece of legislation - but his intentions were right in wanting to encourage teachers to do a better job and reward them for doing so.

As bad as these schools may be they still offer an education to those that are willing to be taught. I have a relative who's taught in a Los Angeles inner-city school for decades. She has educational tools and the knowledge to teach kids, but she can only offer them the choice to stay in class and learn. She's been threatened, slapped, screamed at - once she was threatened to be raped. At times she's wanted to leave but every now and then a student decides they're going to listen, and that's what makes her stay. She WON'T let them down.

South Chicago has classrooms and books and teachers willing to teach, just like Hudsonville. It may not be as affluent. It may not be the same quality. But the opportunity to learn is there. Yet, despite the opportunity to better themselves, the dropout rate in cities like Chicago and Detroit is jaw-dropping. So, you can only offer choices. It's up to the person to decide for themselves whether they're going to take advantage of the choices offered them.

So, what do you think we should do about the plight of inner-city education, Jules?
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Try again. My daughter just graduated from the second hardest high school in Michigan (top 50 in the country). A large percentage of her peers were black and ALL of them are college accepted (it's a requirement of graduation there). These kids succeeded in their educations in a challenging environment where the others did not. You might want to ask yourself why. My observation is that children will rise to the bar you set for them and those that WANT an education and understand the importance of one will be willing to do the work required to get one.
Congrats to your daughter, Vox! Nicely done!
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Blacks are just like every other color when it comes to opportunities? Do yourself a favor and visit a school in say, Hudsonville. Then go to south Chicago and visit a school there. And don't say my party when talking about my political positions. I'm not tied down to any one party, like you are evidently. I'm not for dems or repubs, I'm for people because that's what this government is supposed to be working for. For a long, long time they have been failing. I've written my legislative representatives asking that parents be held accountable for their children missing school through age 16, more they are held accountable now. Take away welfare funds or fine them if they are working. I've asked that tutoring be mandatory for those kids failing classes and that GEDs should be made harder and require more studying, maybe giving kids more of an incentive to stay in school. Both parties have failed the education system, particularly in minority schools. We pay for it with crime and full prisons, costing us much more than just money. There is nothing more sad than a child who feels like the rest of the world has thrown him out with the garbage.
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