Michigan Sued Over Gay Marriage from ...

Michigan Sued Over Gay Marriage from New York

There are 215 comments on the WILX-TV Lansing story from Jun 12, 2014, titled Michigan Sued Over Gay Marriage from New York. In it, WILX-TV Lansing reports that:

Two men in the Grand Rapids area are suing to try to force Michigan to recognize their same-sex marriage performed in New York state.

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Christsharians on the DL

Philadelphia, PA

#63 Jun 17, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>State Contracts should do without pissing on others beliefs.
No, that would be the case if we tried to pass laws saying that bigot fundies can't marry. That would be pissing on others' beliefs.

As far as same sex couples marrying under the law - that has no impact on your "religious" beliefs at all. You and your house of worship of hate are free to continue on in bigotry and ignorance just as you have for decades.

Of course everyone will revile you and laugh at you, but that's just tough. You may still have your precious beliefs.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#64 Jun 17, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>State Contracts should do without pissing on others beliefs......
How does someone else's marriage contract "piss on" *YOUR* beliefs??? You believe you have the right to define who other people choose to marry based on YOUR religious beliefs? You don't believe in freedom of religion?

I can see why you seem to be so angry. If you think you get to sign-off on everyone else's marriage, it must really make you crazy that no one is asking for your permission.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Westland, MI

#65 Jun 17, 2014
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
How does someone else's marriage contract "piss on" *YOUR* beliefs??? You believe you have the right to define who other people choose to marry based on YOUR religious beliefs? You don't believe in freedom of religion?
I can see why you seem to be so angry. If you think you get to sign-off on everyone else's marriage, it must really make you crazy that no one is asking for your permission.
Not a "marriage". Words have meaning. Get your State Contract as we don't care, just don't use our beliefs to poke us in the eye. "marriage" is already defined.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#66 Jun 17, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>Not a "marriage". Words have meaning. Get your State Contract as we don't care, just don't use our beliefs to poke us in the eye. "marriage" is already defined.
Ah. So YOU get to decide how "marriage" is defined and force your definition, and ONLY your definition, onto everyone else??? Sez who??

And, frankly, if your beliefs are such that they CAN be used to "poke you in the eye" (whatever the hell THAT means....), you should expect people to use them to poke you in the eye.

YOU are the one that gets to decide if people are doing that or not. If you decide your beliefs are fragile enough that the actions of other people that belief differently somehow threaten you and your beliefs, then maybe you should reconsider your beliefs, because they're not working very well for you, are they?
Christsharians on the DL

Philadelphia, PA

#67 Jun 17, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>"marriage" is already defined.
No Cletus, you sexually disordered id iot, we have already removed marriage from its tradition of many wives, child wives, wives as property.

Pay attention for once instead of being a lying bigot fer jaysus.
Dr X

Grandville, MI

#68 Jun 17, 2014
I'm calling for the complete separation of States. Twenty five can go to us and the other can go to the progressive communists. I'm not speaking specifically of the gay marriage issue here, rather, I firmly believe that the right and left are utterly incapable of living amongst one another any more. You leftists hated our president Bush and we despise the serpent currently residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. We can trade with one another and come together for our common defense but that is all. Just think how great that would be for both sides! The progressives would be free to unleash a full-blown collectivist government with out any roadblocks. Gays could wander the streets naked! Children could have sex in their schoolrooms during lunch! You could make killing babies a sport! You could destroy all religious icons (except Islamist ones because they'd kill you) and smash all the vestiges of the Ten Commandments! You could be GOD-FREE! Unions would rule everything economic. You could all smoke pot until your eyes fell out and it would be fun. It's fun going through with the brains of a baked potato. More than half of everything you own would be owned by someone else, however, it would be reciprocal so I guess it wouldn't matter much. You, as parents, would never have to worry about being responsible for parenting again because the Stalinist; oops, I meant unions would take over that job for you. You would never again have to worry about gun violence *snickers* because they would be completely unavailable to you. Same goes for knives that are sharp and spoons that are bent. Red meat and pork would be banned because they would be deemed unhealthy for you by your government. There will be a tofu and granola market on every street corner instead. And no sugary sodas over the 16oz limit! Just think, total cradle to grave suckling from the giant government boob. A perfect society where peace and harmony reign and where humans make the final transformation from free minded individuals to listless drones. A rainbow every day!
Christsharians on the DL

Philadelphia, PA

#69 Jun 17, 2014
Dr X wrote:
I'm calling for the complete separation of States.
We fought the civil war already. And there just aren't that many purely red states anymore. Even TX and the Carolinas and the Virginias are sort of purple.

There's enough ignorant, buybull Congressional districts, though. That has to do with rigging the system via gerrymandering and other techniques.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#70 Jun 17, 2014
Dr X wrote:
I'm calling for the complete separation of States. Twenty five can go to us and the other can go to the progressive communists. I'm not speaking specifically of the gay marriage issue here, rather, I firmly believe that the right and left are utterly incapable of living amongst one another any more. You leftists hated our president Bush and we despise the serpent currently residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. We can trade with one another and come together for our common defense but that is all. Just think how great that would be for both sides! The progressives would be free to unleash a full-blown collectivist government with out any roadblocks. Gays could wander the streets naked! Children could have sex in their schoolrooms during lunch! You could make killing babies a sport! You could destroy all religious icons (except Islamist ones because they'd kill you) and smash all the vestiges of the Ten Commandments! You could be GOD-FREE! Unions would rule everything economic. You could all smoke pot until your eyes fell out and it would be fun. It's fun going through with the brains of a baked potato. More than half of everything you own would be owned by someone else, however, it would be reciprocal so I guess it wouldn't matter much. You, as parents, would never have to worry about being responsible for parenting again because the Stalinist; oops, I meant unions would take over that job for you. You would never again have to worry about gun violence *snickers* because they would be completely unavailable to you. Same goes for knives that are sharp and spoons that are bent. Red meat and pork would be banned because they would be deemed unhealthy for you by your government. There will be a tofu and granola market on every street corner instead. And no sugary sodas over the 16oz limit! Just think, total cradle to grave suckling from the giant government boob. A perfect society where peace and harmony reign and where humans make the final transformation from free minded individuals to listless drones. A rainbow every day!
States cannot leave the USA. That was proven definitively in 1865. Any more bright ideas ???

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#71 Jun 17, 2014
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
That's what makes me crazy about the religious idiots bringing religious marriage into the same-sex marriage debate. We already *HAVE* religious marriage! We've had that forever. There have always been religious organizations that are happy to solemnize and recognize marriages between same-sex couples. That's not new.
But.... the idiots that insist on screaming and crying about religious marriage have had their heads shoved so far up their butt for so long that they have no idea what's going on in the real world. We've always had religious marriage. They're just too ignorant to realize it.
I think when they tried the "traditional family values" gambit, it backfired on them just as DOMA did.

Just goes to show what a sham the new "religious freedom" bandwagon is. It's just the re-branding of the same old ideals; bigotry and ignorance. It's not about religion it's about public opinions of gays and lesbians.

I think when they tried the "traditional family values" gambit, it backfired on them just as DOMA did.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#72 Jun 17, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>State Contracts should do without pissing on others beliefs. You seem to be very ignorant about such things...... Do you go around bumping into pedestrian traffic all the time just to be rude or what.......
So when a Jewish Couple marries is that pissing on all Christians?

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#73 Jun 17, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>Not a "marriage". Words have meaning. Get your State Contract as we don't care, just don't use our beliefs to poke us in the eye. "marriage" is already defined.
Get over your sense of entitlement.

You don't have the property rights to words you dolt.

It's marriage, whether you approve or not.

As for using your beliefs to poke you in the eye, well your behavior does that perfectly well without any assistance from us. Just like the anti-gay bakers and florist who say they "oppose that lifestyle for deeply religious beliefs) but they are happy to have us as customers any time it's not a wedding.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#74 Jun 17, 2014
Imprtnrd wrote:
<quoted text>No dummy, you can't get married UNTIL you have that license in your hand. Where do you get it? The court house, THEN you can have your religious wedding. Don't forget to show the person marrying you that you have one.
You owe Ted and apology. Religious ceremonies do not require a civil marriage license.

Ted Haggard s Gospel Rub wrote:
<quoted text>
That makes no sense and is incorrect.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#75 Jun 17, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>Not a "marriage". Words have meaning. Get your State Contract as we don't care, just don't use our beliefs to poke us in the eye. "marriage" is already defined.
Marriage has the same meaning for gay folks.

If you want gay Americans to stop valuing it, you are going to have to teach ALL kids to devalue the word, because if you promote it, the gay kids will be listening, too.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#76 Jun 17, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>Not a "marriage". Words have meaning. Get your State Contract as we don't care, just don't use our beliefs to poke us in the eye. "marriage" is already defined.
Yes, it is already defined. And many religious faiths, and many governments, say that the gender of the 2 people in the marriage doesn't matter.

Don't you believe in Freedom Of Religion ?

And btw, "biblical marriage" is polygamy. Is that what you support and promote ?
Dr X

Grandville, MI

#77 Jun 17, 2014
Christsharians on the DL wrote:
<quoted text>
We fought the civil war already. And there just aren't that many purely red states anymore. Even TX and the Carolinas and the Virginias are sort of purple.
There's enough ignorant, buybull Congressional districts, though. That has to do with rigging the system via gerrymandering and other techniques.
I'm not calling for a civil war here. I'm saying that it's time to separate. Everyone gets what they want in that scenario and we don't have to watch 50 million people die. As for the individual states, well, they should be divided up 25 to 25 regardless of political makeup. Each side gets at least 2 ports, a bread-belt state, a southern and northern state as well as states in the East and West.
Dr X

Grandville, MI

#78 Jun 17, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
States cannot leave the USA. That was proven definitively in 1865. Any more bright ideas ???
This isn't secession, this is division.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#79 Jun 17, 2014
Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>This isn't secession, this is division.
And what exactly does your so-called "division" entail and how would you accomplish it and how would it work ?

And btw, not all LGBT people are liberals or Democrats. Take me for example, although I am opely gay, and have been totally out for 35 years, my hatred of liberals and Democrats is unbounded.
Dr X

Grandville, MI

#80 Jun 17, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
And what exactly does your so-called "division" entail and how would you accomplish it and how would it work ?
And btw, not all LGBT people are liberals or Democrats. Take me for example, although I am opely gay, and have been totally out for 35 years, my hatred of liberals and Democrats is unbounded.
I said in my first post that this wasn't specifically about gay marriage. It has more to do with political ideology being followed as a whole by both the right and the left. Some issues will no doubt carry over. The basic framework has already been suggested. Those who believe in leftist/progressive/Marxist/co mmunist ideologies would meet with conservatives and free-minded thinking people to discuss how states should be divided up. As long as it was fair with each group having a base aggregate of needs supplied pertaining to geographical location, then the transfer of people from each state (pertaining to their political sphere and including agreements) into each desired state in which to live can be achieved effectively. It's already happening to some degree even as I type this and has been for some time. California and Texas are completely and politically different from one another although Texas has purple people mainly due to illegal immigration. I will be working on this over the next few years and will adding much more detail as I collect input from various individuals. You could be one of them.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#81 Jun 17, 2014
OY

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#82 Jun 17, 2014
Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>I said in my first post that this wasn't specifically about gay marriage. It has more to do with political ideology being followed as a whole by both the right and the left. Some issues will no doubt carry over. The basic framework has already been suggested. Those who believe in leftist/progressive/Marxist/co mmunist ideologies would meet with conservatives and free-minded thinking people to discuss how states should be divided up. As long as it was fair with each group having a base aggregate of needs supplied pertaining to geographical location, then the transfer of people from each state (pertaining to their political sphere and including agreements) into each desired state in which to live can be achieved effectively. It's already happening to some degree even as I type this and has been for some time. California and Texas are completely and politically different from one another although Texas has purple people mainly due to illegal immigration. I will be working on this over the next few years and will adding much more detail as I collect input from various individuals. You could be one of them.
What a brilliant idea. Just look at how well it's worked in the Middle East! Africa! SE Asia! India Pakistan and China, Afghanistan, The Balkans,.....

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