Michigan Sued Over Gay Marriage from New York

Jun 12, 2014 Full story: WILX-TV Lansing 221

Two men in the Grand Rapids area are suing to try to force Michigan to recognize their same-sex marriage performed in New York state.

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Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Brighton, MI

#21 Jun 13, 2014
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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Because you're posting in the TOPIX Gay/Lesbian chat room you can expect gay-centric responses to your posts; sugar
Why the intolerance and hate. I didn't realize there was so much cattiness with you activists....... What is wrong brother? Why must you be so angry all the time? So a hetro can't express an opinion....... So much for equality.

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#22 Jun 13, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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The U.S. Constitution states in Article IV, Section 1:
"Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof."
Now please point out where it says "except for public policy exceptions". Please point that out for me. READ THE PLAIN TEXT ! The U.S. Constitution SAYS WHAT IT MEANS AND MEANS WHAT IT SAYS. No more, and no less.
If the State of Mich recognizes the marriages of OSC's from NY then under the equal protection clause they will have to recognize this marriage as well.

But I agree with you that the FFCC should also apply.
Fran

Utica, MI

#23 Jun 13, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
The "Full Faith and Credit" clause of the U.S. Constitution requires each state to legally recognize the acts of every other state. There are NO exceptions.
What a stupid argument. So the states that recognize gay marriage should recognize the bans on gay marriage in the 38 other states that have banned them.

You make zero sense.

"Gay marriage" would be a catastrophe if it weren't such a joke. It cannot even be taken seriously.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#24 Jun 13, 2014
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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FFCC is most certainly applicable where the checkmark meets the 'married' box on IRS tax returns; sugar
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The states will just have to knuckle under and face reality
.
So will you ;o)
I face reality everyday. You should try it.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#25 Jun 13, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>If the State of Mich recognizes the marriages of OSC's from NY then under the equal protection clause they will have to recognize this marriage as well.
But I agree with you that the FFCC should also apply.
Yes. They have to recognize that these men were married in NY. Nothing more.
Think about it. A man is convicted of a crime in NY, MI has to acknowledge that. It does not have to act on it.

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#26 Jun 13, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Yes. They have to recognize that these men were married in NY. Nothing more.
Think about it. A man is convicted of a crime in NY, MI has to acknowledge that. It does not have to act on it.
When did you become an expert om Mich law?

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#27 Jun 13, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Yes. They have to recognize that these men were married in NY. Nothing more.
Think about it. A man is convicted of a crime in NY, MI has to acknowledge that. It does not have to act on it.
So you're saying that if a person in Mich is discovered to have outstanding warrants in NY for rape and murder, the police in Mich would just let him go?

LMAO

(it would be aiding and abetting a criminal)
Belle Sexton

Santa Cruz, CA

#28 Jun 13, 2014
TheKaisho wrote:
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So, according to your interpretation of the Constitution, if South Carolina resurrects slavery, Michigan is required to recognize that?
Sounds like the gays are not only sodomizing each other, they're also sodomizing the Constitution.
An impossible scenario.
Belle Sexton

Santa Cruz, CA

#29 Jun 13, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>Elementary my dear eJohn, who I haven't seen on this forum before and must be trolling all the gay community related topics. These guys move here from NY get a house while one guy has inoperable brain cancer so. They have resources for an attorney and for bringing this suit on top of MEDICAL EXPENSES. Property taxes come along and paying the premium for the ACA since they have enough income. That means they don't get subsides. The obvious question is how do they do it? Outside resources from an activist group. If the partner wants rights there are legal documents that can give him authority to make decisions at the CLERKS office that are next to nothing in cost. A lot less hassle than clogging the court with something that has solutions.
Those are problematic, and frequently fail.

Marriage IS the solution.
Troll Joto

Ocala, FL

#30 Jun 13, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
The "Full Faith and Credit" clause of the U.S. Constitution requires each state to legally recognize the acts of every other state. There are NO exceptions.
Ha Ha ha, how about a knob job?
L Craig s Hush Puppies

Philadelphia, PA

#32 Jun 13, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
They are getting paid to do this.
Their legal expenses could be picked up under some pro bono arrangement or by some non profit organization, but I don't think payment to plaintiffs to secure them as plaintiffs is legal.

If I'm correct on that and your assertion about them being paid is incorrect then you could be sued for libel.

Which would be funny as hell.

Also, if you're not homophobic why would you care how or why the lawsuit is being brought? But you do care. You dismissively say the plaintiffs are or can only bring this because they're being paid [sic] to do so....
L Craig s Hush Puppies

Philadelphia, PA

#33 Jun 13, 2014
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>Why the intolerance and hate. I didn't realize there was so much cattiness with you activists....... What is wrong brother? Why must you be so angry all the time? So a hetro can't express an opinion....... So much for equality.
Getting harder to be a bigot these days. We expect you to be complaining more and more as time goes on.
L Craig s Hush Puppies

Philadelphia, PA

#34 Jun 13, 2014
Fran wrote:
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What a stupid argument. So the states that recognize gay marriage should recognize the bans on gay marriage in the 38 other states that have banned them.
You make zero sense.
"Gay marriage" would be a catastrophe if it weren't such a joke. It cannot even be taken seriously.
States have always recognized one another's marriages and divorces.

But your counter example does not make sense: States have not been able to disregard other states' interracial marriages they themselves would not have permitted...back in the day. States have not been able to disregard marriages from other states which have looser requirements with respect to age or to distant cousins.

So the idea that states would have to recognize bans under FFC from the backwards, buybull states is nonsense.

FFC has not been ruled to apply in the matter of marriage equality at any rate. Poster Foxy is just a mor on.

Same sex marriage has certainly been taken seriously - to the tune of tens of millions of dollars - by the misogynistic, sexually ill RCC and by NOM and by talibangelicals. You have been living in an alternate, jaysus universe, apparently.
Dr X

Grand Rapids, MI

#35 Jun 13, 2014
Just let the fudge-packers have their life. Who Cares?
Who

Wyoming, MI

#37 Jun 13, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
The "Full Faith and Credit" clause of the U.S. Constitution requires each state to legally recognize the acts of every other state. There are NO exceptions.
Every state is entitled to have it's own set of laws.

Nice try though you stupid jackass.
L Craig s Hush Puppies

Philadelphia, PA

#38 Jun 13, 2014
Who wrote:
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Every state is entitled to have it's own set of laws.
Nice try though you stupid jackass.
Wrong. Do a search on Griswold or Loving or Romer cases, you ignorant rube.

Now, FFC has not been applied to the marriage equality question by any court yet.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#39 Jun 14, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>So you're saying that if a person in Mich is discovered to have outstanding warrants in NY for rape and murder, the police in Mich would just let him go?
LMAO
(it would be aiding and abetting a criminal)
It is unlikely that they would let him go, but they are not legally obligated to search for this person.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#40 Jun 14, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>When did you become an expert om Mich law?
It isn't Michigan law, it is constitutional law.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#41 Jun 14, 2014
DNF wrote:
(it would be aiding and abetting a criminal)
Not searching for someone is not aiding and abetting a criminal. Aiding and abetting requires participation. If the state were hiding them they would be guilty of aiding and abetting.
If the FFCC had anything to do with marriage, I don't believe it does, all Michigan would need to do is recognize that these men were married in NY. Nothing more, the clause would be satisfied.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Brighton, MI

#42 Jun 14, 2014
Belle Sexton wrote:
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Those are problematic, and frequently fail.
Marriage IS the solution.
They are legal. The State, not the Federal govt, is in charge of Licenses. Marriage is a religious event so I think the name of that license issued by the State should be changed to another Contract Name in a secular manner. Marriage is not for everyone but the Contract by the State would go back to a legal meaning and not a religious meaning.....

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