The MIP hanging judge

The MIP hanging judge

There are 380 comments on the WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story from Dec 16, 2008, titled The MIP hanging judge. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

Bert Quinn drove two-and-a-half hours to be with his 20-year-old son during his court appearance for being a minor in possession of alcohol.

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pointing fingers

West Olive, MI

#366 Jan 31, 2009
courtdate with judge post wrote:
well i have an upcoming mip court case with judge kenneth post and i was wondering what to expect from him at the trial
you can expect him to be attentive and fair.....what you should be doing is talking w/your attorney...that is the one you should have the high expectations for.
courtdate with judge post

United States

#367 Jan 31, 2009
im not going to have an attorny im going with the court appointed one i cant afford a good attorny..what kinds of questions will he ask me and what will he had down
pointing fingers

West Olive, MI

#368 Feb 1, 2009
first off what is the charge? mip 1st, 2nd or subsequent?
courtdate with judge post

Kalamazoo, MI

#369 Feb 3, 2009
its my first mip
pointing fingers

West Olive, MI

#370 Feb 4, 2009
mip first...if found guilty fines and cost only....no jail time....unless you are/were on probation for another crime, in which case you could see jail time for a probation violation...second offense mip results in 6 mos. suspension of your drivers license, an increase in fines/cost...i believe you can be mandated to alcohal classes as well, but not sure on that...again no jail time w/ second offense....
courtdate with judge post

United States

#371 Feb 6, 2009
ok thanks will he reduce the amount that it is on your record
citizen of the USSR

East Lansing, MI

#372 Feb 24, 2009
courtdate with judge post wrote:
ok thanks will he reduce the amount that it is on your record
it's a misdemeanor, it's there for life. you can try and get it expundged in seven years I believe.

Since: Sep 08

Deerfield, IL

#373 Feb 25, 2009
citizen of the USSR wrote:
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it's a misdemeanor, it's there for life. you can try and get it expundged in seven years I believe.
Your first shot at getting it expunged is after he retires.
Heather

Littleton, CO

#374 Mar 21, 2009
I heard hes harsh cuz his daughter was killed to a drunk driver. he basically blames and frames and judges those who drink. even like me for the first time I ever drank and got caught, yet im a bad person..
Ariana

Allendale, MI

#375 Apr 14, 2009
I'm pretty sure college kids are going to continue to drink. It's not fair that the police were even allowed in my apartment. There were only 5 other people besides myself and we weren't being loud. Judge Post doesn't allow any room for regret. He should know that most college kids can't afford to get a Lawyer. We are already working as hard as possible to try to graduate and not be in debt for the rest of our lives. Having an MIP on our record ruins all the work we are doing to try and get a good job. Probation is the least we can ask for. Whoever hasn't drank while at college isn't a real college student. It's hard to resist when it's all around you and legal for your peers but not you.

Since: Sep 08

Deerfield, IL

#376 Apr 14, 2009
Ariana wrote:
I'm pretty sure college kids are going to continue to drink. It's not fair that the police were even allowed in my apartment. There were only 5 other people besides myself and we weren't being loud. Judge Post doesn't allow any room for regret. He should know that most college kids can't afford to get a Lawyer. We are already working as hard as possible to try to graduate and not be in debt for the rest of our lives. Having an MIP on our record ruins all the work we are doing to try and get a good job. Probation is the least we can ask for. Whoever hasn't drank while at college isn't a real college student. It's hard to resist when it's all around you and legal for your peers but not you.
When the cops come to the door you have one question: Do you have a warrant? If not don't open the door. How did they get in the apartment?
LEO

Holland, MI

#377 Apr 15, 2009
GR Pete wrote:
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When the cops come to the door you have one question: Do you have a warrant? If not don't open the door. How did they get in the apartment?
If we come knocking and know there are minors inside drinking we give the tenant two options:

Option 1: Allow us to enter and people only get a simple MIP cite.

option 2:If we must get a warrant (simple process) not only will the minors get the MIP ticket but the tenant will be lodged on the charge of furnishing alcohol to minors. If you think Post is rough on MIP cites, you should see what happens with furnishing cases...and the fines are severe.

It's easy for GR pete to offer legal advise but he wont be there for you during your ride to fillmore.

BTW: Allowing minors to consume upon your premises is the same as furnishing. If you keep your party low-key and blinds pulled we hope you have a good time.

Since: Sep 08

Deerfield, IL

#378 Apr 15, 2009
LEO wrote:
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If we come knocking and know there are minors inside drinking we give the tenant two options:
Option 1: Allow us to enter and people only get a simple MIP cite.
option 2:If we must get a warrant (simple process) not only will the minors get the MIP ticket but the tenant will be lodged on the charge of furnishing alcohol to minors. If you think Post is rough on MIP cites, you should see what happens with furnishing cases...and the fines are severe.
It's easy for GR pete to offer legal advise but he wont be there for you during your ride to fillmore.
BTW: Allowing minors to consume upon your premises is the same as furnishing. If you keep your party low-key and blinds pulled we hope you have a good time.
Thanks for posting that policy. You have just made it crystal clear that you are willing to abuse your authority to punish folks exercising their Constitutional Rights. That post will be Ex. 1 in the 1983 lawsuit against you personally for a civil rights violation.
I repeat make them get a warrant and if they do get in everyone keep your damn mouth shut and don't take any PBTs. Unless you are driving you do NOT have to take a PBT. They won't tell you that they will just shove the damn thing in your face and violate another Constitutional Right. Allowing minors to consume on the premises is not furnishing, they made that crap up too but are probably charging that way to justify arresting you all and punish you for exercising your right to refuse consent to search, another violation of your rights. To the best of my knowledge there is no such thing as Allowing a Minor To Consume. There is a law against furnishing but if the party is BYOB I have never seen that charged as furnishing. If you are having a kegger or letting minors drink your beer that is a different story. How the hell are they going to prove it if you all keep your mouth shut. They depend on scaring the hell out of you and you spilling the beans to make their case.
The more you hear this kind of crap from these guys the more you want them to hang that deputy for shooting Copp instead of cutting him any slack.
I also heard that they had a sobriety check point on Lake Michigan Dr. east of Allendale on April 4. That is also illegal if it happened and is currently being investigated. Anyone have any information on that FUBAR. It was the night that MSU won the semi final game.
The post here is typical of what you get out there, perfectly willing to trample your Constitutional Rights and punish you for trying to exercise them. This came from person that took an oath to uphold the Constitution and has no idea what that means. This person is unfit to have a badge because to enforce laws against trivial conduct he is willing to pee on the Constitution.

GVSU needs a student branch of the ACLU. Until you fight back against this type of law enforcement you are going to continue to have that boot on your neck.
outrageous

Plainwell, MI

#379 Sep 3, 2009
I have just spoken to my third attorney who suggests to not spend the money to go against Post. My son is a 3.8 student, got an MIP, wants to go to med school - and anywhere else in the state he would be able to enter a diversion program, repent (biblical) and be forgiven. Everywhere but the great bible-belt of Hudsonville!
WMU

Kalamazoo, MI

#380 Oct 29, 2009
visitng GVSU for the weekend i attended a large house party with around three hundred guests..no kegs, there was security and DDs driving people around safely...then the Ottawa sheriff department swarms the house with around twenty officers...

I am a student at WMU, at parties like this when the police come usually they just shut down the music, and tell everyone to get home safe and not to return or else they'll be back. I thought the GVSU area police would be similar in a college town.

Instead the police officers came inside the house and began filing the students into the garage in groups of five to administer PBT tests in the garage and then after that the students went to a second station to be written their MIP tickets.

I was shocked when i saw the PBT test. This would be my third MIP. I have bad luck of being at the wrong place at the wrong time..

my first MIP was when a police officer watched me drink my first beer of the day tailgating at CMU. It was my first time tailgating, and i was stupid.

Second was in Kalamazoo at a bon voyage party for a friend leaving for Iraq. Though he was old enough to fight for the country he wasn't old enough to buy the keg..to keep him out of trouble with the army i took the blame for the keg when no one else stepped forward..

And now i am pushed into a garage by laughing police officers joking how they're getting overtime pay and will be there all night. I had just arrived at the party and when i asked what my options were if i refused and they said i'll be spending the night in jail if i didnt. So i took it and blew a .o32! and still recieved an MIP.

The worst news was when i googled Judge Post and read about his stance on MIPs.

I'm a twenty year old student trying to graduate next year..
I may go to jail for sixty days
lose my driving liscense
be forced to take random drug tests

My life could be dramatically changed for the worse all because of a few beers...no drugs, no violence, no driving...just being at a party and having some beers as a college student.

If students like myself are a high enough priority to commit twenty police officers for four to five hours then I feel the area needs to rethink those that control its local government.
Steve

Kalamazoo, MI

#381 Oct 29, 2009
I was at that party too and got an MIP. I heard there is a lawsuit or something against the police department for violating students' rights. I just need to find it if anyone knows any information about it PLEASE.
Jordan

Kalamazoo, MI

#382 Dec 16, 2009
Drinking is not a crime. Stop being an ignorant, fundamentalist. Probation failed and only made things worse. Get off your high horse because you were too scared to try anything jesus didn't want you to do. Your the problem with america. You blame every thing thats wrong with your kids on alcohol, or pot, or rock n roll. or tv, or video games, or the internet. The truth is your a stuck up prick and instead of showing some compassion, you choose to punish a young college kid for a simple mistake. All kids drink even your little jimmy, this isn't the 50's anymore and I can't wait until your all in your retirement villages and old folks homes. Maybe then can this country move past all the hate and discrimination. America its time to get with the times.
Simply frustrated

Allendale, MI

#383 Oct 29, 2010
Laws don't exist as divine borders for what is right and what is wrong, they are man-made and capable of being changed. This logic of "you broke the law, pay the consequences" is stupid. Have you ever broken the speed limit? Surely anyone who has driven a car has and given this logic, you deserve to be fined and points to be granted to your license. There is no reason for people caught drinking in a safe environment to have a criminal record for the remainder of their lives. Drinking and driving is a whole other story because it endangers lives. But come on people, consider the fact that perhaps the punishments for drinking underage are, in fact, too harsh. If this seems so crazy, consider perhaps that many countries around the world have lower legal drinking ages. There is no human biological law that states that 21 years old is the proper age for consumption of alcohol. Be more open minded and less judgmental. Police often break the law in the way in which they gain evidence against underage drinkers, but they aren't penalized. The justice system is not black and white, nor will it ever be.
Voice of Reason

East Lansing, MI

#384 Jan 30, 2012
Judge Post is a tyrant who uses the ivory towers of the judiciary to further his own personal ends. I agree with accountability, in fact I think most people should be willing to accept responsibility for their actions. However, an MIP is a ludicrous charge and holding it as a misdemeanor is even more ridiculous. These are kids we are talking about with their whole lives ahead of them. I love seeing everyone's "Holier than thou" attitude as if you did nothing wrong when you were younger? The difference between then and now is you got a slap on the wrist, while these kids go through life with a blotched record. What is even more interesting is the people who applaud this man for being a hypocrite. He talks about accountability and "owning up" to ones own foolishness, and yet he chooses to ignore the laws he is duty bound to uphold. He held a lawyer in contempt of court for simply doing his job. That's ridiculous and violated the defendant in question's right to not condemn himself in a court of law. He is a coward and a fool, and there is no justice in his courtroom, just two verdicts: guilty, and more guilty. He sits on his pedestal and wishes to be bowed before as if he were a king. No Judge Post you are not a king, you are nothing more than a small man who will get whats coming to him. I understand the concept of spare the rod spoil the child, but Post takes that to a whole level by taking the rod and beating the child senseless. Diversionary programs DO work. Yes some will view them as a get out of jail free card but for most its A SECOND CHANCE! You never learn anything by doing things right the first time around. As for these "ADULTS" who are suppose to own up for their actions look at it this way. They can vote, they can go to war, they can die for their country, but they can't crack a bud light on a Thursday evening with a couple of friends in a safe environment? Please. This won't stop underage drinking, it will just send it further underground where these children will be more in danger. Lets be real kids have been drinking underage for as long as there has been a law against it. Its in their nature. Also its not that big of a problem. Now the gang activity around that area, that's a problem, maybe the police should focus on that or drunk driving or anything else than busting kids for being kids and ruining their future. I am not saying that it is okay to break the law I am simply noting that these law enforcement officials need to have some accountability. They must be prevented from roaming around unchecked. They must also be reminded that they are elected officials and they are dealing with children. If you disagree so be it, its within your right to be entitled to your opinion. However, with more men like Judge Post that opinion may not be "entitled" much longer.
john

Wyoming, MI

#385 May 29, 2014
I sat in judge post's court room a couple of weeks ago & I am ashamed that a judge like this was ever appointed in the first place. I heard him do nothing but yell & be rude to people. he has taken the law into his own hands & everyone that works for him acts the same way as he. I intend to sit & watch him as I write about his conduct in that court room for my paper.

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