What Is The Matter With Americans?

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Sassy

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I saw it and found it quite interesting.
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...Anyone on here, see the segment on 60 Minutes, this evening about the openings in manufacturing jobs in America and the shortage of qualified available workers?....They showed the Alcoa plant in Whitehall and i am proud that my brother in law, was shown....Much of the point was that, working with machinery and math, measurements and technical type jobs, are available(3 million) and are tough to fill....They also showed a plant in Nevada, which has high unemployment, but they have huge problems, finding qualified applicants....

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Sassy wrote:
I saw it and found it quite interesting.
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Before i remarried, i dated a RN for a few years, only 23 but was making $53,000 a year at a local hospital and used to tell me, the nursing shortage, was so bad down here that they brought in nurses from the Philippines...Seem's americans at that time, just weren't interested in that occupation. Maybe some of our young people, just don't get it? Saw the same thing, about this guy that owned a huge, engineering firm here, but just could'nt find enough qualified, people to fill openings...he actually insourced employees from India....

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SOS in Mesa wrote:
<quoted text> That report is correct, but apply for one of those jobs when you are in your 60s with 40 + years of experience in your particular field. I can guarantee you that you are "over qualified" in other words, they aren't willing to pay for your experience. Fresh out of school @ entry level wages and you are hired. They only reported half of the story.
They stated, starting pay was $12 per hour, including benefits....does'nt sound that bad to me, especially living in a place like Whitehall....
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Nov 12, 2012
 
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> They stated, starting pay was $12 per hour, including benefits....does'nt sound that bad to me, especially living in a place like Whitehall....


OK for labor I guess but not for automation and process control work.

I was approached by a local company re. training their employees (seems on one could keep their machines running) they wanted me to work for the same $ they were paying the employees I was supposed to train. This would have been a short term (six to eight weeks) assignment as contract labor no benefits and I would pay self employment tax. I graciously declined.
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Go Blue Forever wrote:
...Anyone on here, see the segment on 60 Minutes, this evening about the openings in manufacturing jobs in America and the shortage of qualified available workers?....They showed the Alcoa plant in Whitehall and i am proud that my brother in law, was shown....Much of the point was that, working with machinery and math, measurements and technical type jobs, are available(3 million) and are tough to fill....They also showed a plant in Nevada, which has high unemployment, but they have huge problems, finding qualified applicants....
Gotta love our wonderful public education system graduating kids that don't have good enough math skills for factory work.
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Up here we have a back log of people trying to get the nursing education. The schools are backlogged with big waiting lists.
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Before i remarried, i dated a RN for a few years, only 23 but was making $53,000 a year at a local hospital and used to tell me, the nursing shortage, was so bad down here that they brought in nurses from the Philippines...Seem's americans at that time, just weren't interested in that occupation. Maybe some of our young people, just don't get it? Saw the same thing, about this guy that owned a huge, engineering firm here, but just could'nt find enough qualified, people to fill openings...he actually insourced employees from India....

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Gotta love our wonderful public education system graduating kids that don't have good enough math skills for factory work.
Yeah, i could'nt believe that was one of the complaints of the owners....a shortage of applicants, able to handle basic math skills....i can't say much, since i was never good at math...but, wonder if they stopped having trade classes, in highschools, like in Chicago i had wood shop and auto shop...one school had welding....? I started working at 14, worked in a steel mill my senior year....but, imagine importing nurses, because our kids aren't bright enough to see that as a well paying career...have to wonder about the counselors....

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Up here we have a back log of people trying to get the nursing education. The schools are backlogged with big waiting lists.
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..Yeah, for several reasons, i hated breaking up with her....lol....
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Nov 19, 2012
 
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Gotta love our wonderful public education system graduating kids that don't have good enough math skills for factory work.
bingo!
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Nov 19, 2012
 
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Up here we have a back log of people trying to get the nursing education. The schools are backlogged with big waiting lists.
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hence hey create their own shortfall, while qualified people wait years for their turn

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Nov 19, 2012
 
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<quoted text>bingo!
Hope i am not the only one here, that thinks the parent's bear some responsibility for these shortcomings? Also, was the effect of de-segregation and forced busing, detrimental to the overall education process? As it seem's to have diluted the learning curve of both races....guess, i am just not a big fan of social engineering....
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Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Hope i am not the only one here, that thinks the parent's bear some responsibility for these shortcomings? Also, was the effect of de-segregation and forced busing, detrimental to the overall education process? As it seem's to have diluted the learning curve of both races....guess, i am just not a big fan of social engineering....
Not a "fan of social engineering"...but you are a racist. Thanks for confirming that for us.
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Nov 19, 2012
 
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Up here we have a back log of people trying to get the nursing education. The schools are backlogged with big waiting lists.
And yet, it's estimated that in just 3 years there will be a shortage of 18,000 nurses in Michigan.
http://www.minurses.org/mnsa/nursing-careers
And doctors are either not entering or leaving the profession because of Obamacare and crappy reimbursement from government programs so now we'll have a doctor shortage, too. Tell me again how Obamacare is increasing access to medical care? Hope you don't mind seeing a nurse clinician or PA for your care instead of a doctor.
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Nov 19, 2012
 
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Hope i am not the only one here, that thinks the parent's bear some responsibility for these shortcomings?....
It would seem so. Me, I think the responsibility lies more in schools that continue to pass kids that can't read, write or do basic math from one grade to the next to the point that we are graduating kids that can't read at even a 5th grade level and have math skills that aren't much better...and that's the kids that actually graduate. Those that drop out fare worse in those departments. When you lower the bar and lower the bar, kids will underperform to the expectations set for them.
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/08/24/act-score...
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James wrote:
Hey Blue, care to make a comment?
"In the largest staff reduction in its nearly 100-year history, Orlando Health is cutting up to 400 jobs starting immediately, hospital system officials announced Monday.
The move is part of a broader effort to position the hospital system for the health-care overhaul, CEO Sherrie Sitarik said."
Perhaps due to Obamacare?
"Although no staff nursing positions have been eliminated, the hospital has cut nursing management positions. Those workers may apply for lower-level nursing jobs."
This is from your neck of the woods.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/bre...
Doesnt matter to Blue.
He get's all of his health care in a van behind the 7-11.
SOS in Mesa

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vox veritatis wrote:
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It would seem so. Me, I think the responsibility lies more in schools that continue to pass kids that can't read, write or do basic math from one grade to the next to the point that we are graduating kids that can't read at even a 5th grade level and have math skills that aren't much better...and that's the kids that actually graduate. Those that drop out fare worse in those departments. When you lower the bar and lower the bar, kids will underperform to the expectations set for them.
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/08/24/act-score...

Can't agree, as a parent, educating my children was my responsibility, the school system was there to assist me.
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SOS in Mesa wrote:
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Can't agree, as a parent, educating my children was my responsibility, the school system was there to assist me.
if that were true there would be absolutely no need for a public education system.
SOS in Mesa

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Nov 19, 2012
 
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<quoted text>if that were true there would be absolutely no need for a public education system.
I am not saying we do not need public schools. My kids have received excellent educations in public schools. People seem to think if their child is at the bus stop on time their job is done. Parents need to take more responsibility for their children's education. Not to mention some of the crap the teachers put in the kid's heads. I had to go to East Middle in Rockford and ask a teacher not to tell my boy how I should vote in the 08 Presidential election. Class time is too valuable to be wasted on a teacher's agenda. And when he told me I shouldn't burn a brush pile because I was contributing to global warming that prompted another trip to East Middle. From reading your posts, I will wager if you have children, you are very involved in their schooling.
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Nov 20, 2012
 
SOS in Mesa wrote:
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I am not saying we do not need public schools. My kids have received excellent educations in public schools. People seem to think if their child is at the bus stop on time their job is done. Parents need to take more responsibility for their children's education. Not to mention some of the crap the teachers put in the kid's heads. I had to go to East Middle in Rockford and ask a teacher not to tell my boy how I should vote in the 08 Presidential election. Class time is too valuable to be wasted on a teacher's agenda. And when he told me I shouldn't burn a brush pile because I was contributing to global warming that prompted another trip to East Middle. From reading your posts, I will wager if you have children, you are very involved in their schooling.
Totally agree, SOS.

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SOS in Mesa wrote:
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I am not saying we do not need public schools. My kids have received excellent educations in public schools. People seem to think if their child is at the bus stop on time their job is done. Parents need to take more responsibility for their children's education. Not to mention some of the crap the teachers put in the kid's heads. I had to go to East Middle in Rockford and ask a teacher not to tell my boy how I should vote in the 08 Presidential election. Class time is too valuable to be wasted on a teacher's agenda. And when he told me I shouldn't burn a brush pile because I was contributing to global warming that prompted another trip to East Middle. From reading your posts, I will wager if you have children, you are very involved in their schooling.
Hmm I beg to differ though times have changed. From the time I was in first grade 1961 my parents worked they got me and my two older brothers up and left for work we knew what was expected of us eat get dressed head out the door to the bus stop. My father as far as I remember came to one conference my mom to a few really though they were not much involved. I made it through school with no problems at all, it gave me my sense of independence and individuality that I still carry with me today. Teachers should teach subject matter pure and simple and never ever give their two cents about who one should vote for or if someone burns a pile of leaves. Of course a lot of teachers have been indoctrinated so it just goes forward, OMG "forward" just like in Obama's world forward to a cliff where all of the sheep will fall off.

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