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#41
Sep 14, 2010
 
pwner wrote:
Ummmmmm..I think somebody might be in danger of burning in hell. hehehehe
Dude. You can type the words but you don't know what they mean. In the orignal greek the word was miseo. It can and was used as the opposite of love. In arabic there was no word for "like" and so love and hate were also used to describe someone being liked more or less than someone else or caring for someone more or less than someone else. The word miseo can also mean to abandon or put aside.
Go to school!
As for Revelation. That is all imagry not literal.
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Yes, it is ALWAYS out of context. So tell me, what does it say IN context? Still seems pretty crappy to me.

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Sep 14, 2010
 
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Agreed. As a Christian, my God sent Jesus as my Savior. So no, I don't believe we all worship the same God.
It doesn't matter if you 'believe' it or not, it is fact.

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Sep 14, 2010
 
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You seem to consider the Christian belief that Jesus is God made flesh to be a small detail, since it derails your whole line of questioning. Your Baptist upbringing sounds more like Jehovah's Witnesses doctrine, in denying the deity of Jesus. It is becoming clear how you came to be confused about God.
Are you denying the deity of Mohamed? Or Moses? Blasphemy!! You must be a Scientologist! That derails your whole line of questioning!

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You seem to consider the Christian belief that Jesus is God made flesh to be a small detail
The concept of god knocking up a mortal to produce a god-man isn't exclusive to christianity.
One need look no further than the recent movie "Clash of the Titans" to see another example. I'm not saying christianity ripped off zeus & perseus, just pointing out that relatively primitive cultures had a lot of the same primitive ideas.

When we take a good look at christianity we see borrowed ideas from other religions. The character of jesus was most likely taken from horus.
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Sep 14, 2010
 
Amazarak wrote:
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Are you denying the deity of Mohamed? Or Moses? Blasphemy!! You must be a Scientologist! That derails your whole line of questioning!
But in your argument they are not considered God, are they?

Next...
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Amazarak wrote:
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It doesn't matter if you 'believe' it or not, it is fact.
Are you Radell? Calling your opinion Fact, without any Proof? How can it be fact if they are just worshiping a "Made up work of fiction"?

You really are confused...
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In the beginning, man created god...
And your true intent finally revealed. You, as I have known from the beginning of this "Joke", have no intention to have a dialogue with anyone who disagrees with you. You are intent in continuing your attack on what people believe. My, how disingenuous of you... I am shocked... Naaaa, not really.

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Flawed wrote:
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And your true intent finally revealed. You, as I have known from the beginning of this "Joke", have no intention to have a dialogue with anyone who disagrees with you. You are intent in continuing your attack on what people believe. My, how disingenuous of you... I am shocked... Naaaa, not really.
Ummm, errr, have you looked in a mirror lately??
You don't appear to be very flexible about your beliefs.
In case you missed it, the original question appeared to be how can people work together across differing religions and find some common ground...not start telling everyone else they are all wrong and only you are correct...but you couldn't resist...your god is the only god and anything different "boggles your mind".
You are the perfect example of the obvious answer to her question...they can't because of fundie/christers like you.

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Sep 14, 2010
 
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Umm Yes they do. They do not believe in the Trinity, or the Triune God. They do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah. And, as noted earlier, there are many Christian groups that do not believe in the Trinity. I really cannot believe that you think that God in the OT is different than God in the NT. Mind boggling, really.
Jesus is God to Christians, not to Jews. Still boggled?

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Sep 14, 2010
 
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Thank you, and obviously I cannot. It is apparently blasphemy for me to even mention the fact that all the three religions are in fact rooted in the same god. No one has yet been able to even acknowledge that fact. I feel as if I am wasting my time here. Everyone is so rooted in the belief that if you even question the fact of the commonalities, you are sinning. So I will stop now, read Hurley's book and try to understand where they are coming from.
So much for different perspectives and trying to find the root of the hate that is being spread worldwide. Everyone must be looking forward to the 'holy war' and armageddon. A man made prophecy. I want no part of it. Too bad it has to involve the whole world. Too bad people feel the need to not try and solve these problems we have due to religion. Too bad people can't even acknowledge the dangers it holds. I don't know about anyone else, but this truly scares the shit outta me, for my family and the for the whole human species.
Blasphemy? Who said that? Why do we have to acknowledge your incorrect premise as a prerequisite for talking to you? Originally, you did not say "rooted in the same god". That is obviously correct. But that does NOT translate to the same god being "for" all three religions. That is too much of a stretch.

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For the most part, the discussion so far has centered on three religions, christianity, judaism, and islam. The three are far from being the only religions in the world. There are also shinto, buddhist, and hindu, among others. And commonalities can even be found between those and the other three. Again, they all have some form of the golden rule. However, people tend to argue the small (relatively speaking) details rather than try to find and understand the overall commonalities. And some of the misunderstanding stems from the trandslations of languages. For example, to me the term "allah" is arabic for god. Yet I have had people refuse to accept that, insisting that allah is not the same as god.

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"God... a being whose only definition is that he is beyond man's power to conceive." Ayn Rand

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Amazarak wrote:
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In the beginning, man created god...
If that is what you think, thats what you think.

But for some reason people that don't believe in a higher being, sure have a problem with what others think.
A little unrest in the soul department, maybe ?

I have been online for a looooong time, other countries are mosly anti God, and 100,000 to 500,000 post counts for those threads, my conclusion is.

pray there aint no God.

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Are you Radell? Calling your opinion Fact, without any Proof? How can it be fact if they are just worshiping a "Made up work of fiction"?
You really are confused...
I know this may come as a surprise to you, but it IS fact, not my opinion. You can try to think it is not so as much as you want, doesn't make it so.

"God"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God#Etymology_an...

The capitalized form God was first used in Ulfilas's Gothic translation of the New Testament, to represent the Greek Theos. In the English language, the capitalization continues to represent a distinction between monotheistic "God" and "gods" in polytheism.[6][7] In spite of significant differences between religions such as Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, the Bahá'í Faith, and Judaism, the term "God" remains an English translation common to all. The name may signify any related or similar monotheistic deities, such as the early monotheism of Akhenaten and Zoroastrianism.

When used in English within a community with a common monotheistic background, "God" always refers to the deity they share. Those with a background in different Abrahamic religions will usually agree on the deity they share, while still differing on details of belief and doctrine—they will disagree about attributes of [the] God, rather than thinking in terms of "my God" and "your (different) God".

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And your true intent finally revealed. You, as I have known from the beginning of this "Joke", have no intention to have a dialogue with anyone who disagrees with you. You are intent in continuing your attack on what people believe. My, how disingenuous of you... I am shocked... Naaaa, not really.
No, this was NOT my intent at all. I did NOT want to get into arguments over who is right, who is wrong, etc., in case you missed all those posts. I wanted to engage in grown up conversation about the idea of the common traits we all share, but I see that is not possible. I did not want to even get into the argument if god does or doesn't exist. But look at where it has gone already.

Mr Wiggley had it correct. If people could just work together and acknowledge the common ground we all share, maybe humankind will not blow themselves up over this subject. But I see I am wasting my breath here on this forum. I see that having the thought that christianity is superior to the rest is far more important to people here instead of trying to see that others hold the same fervent thoughts about their own version of god, which is the same god, if anyone has really done any research into the matter. It is obvious you do not understand that concept, but it is widely accepted and acknowledged by scholars across the globe. So, your opinion actually does not matter one way or another.

Good day.

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<quoted text>Blasphemy? Who said that? Why do we have to acknowledge your incorrect premise as a prerequisite for talking to you? Originally, you did not say "rooted in the same god". That is obviously correct. But that does NOT translate to the same god being "for" all three religions. That is too much of a stretch.
Sorry I didn't spell it out concisely enough, but that was the premise I was after. Rooted in the same god. While the conceptions of god vary quite a bit, I was just trying to show how this is the 'same god' rooted in Abrahamic beliefs, inluding, but not limited to, christianity, islam and judaism. Only focusing on the three for sake of argument. While the belief systems vary for each one depending on the teachings of the named prophets. THAT is where my question came in to play. Can anyone answer this honestly? That we are not followers of god, but followers of the prophets and their teachings?

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Amazarak wrote:
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Yes, it is ALWAYS out of context. So tell me, what does it say IN context? Still seems pretty crappy to me.
The context is personal to the reader. To me it says that one must love Jesus (God) more than every thing and everybody. I believe the natural result of this will be a deeper love for people than you would have been able to have without the love for Christ.

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Amazerak I do believe that Allah (Pre Mohammed) is Jehovah of the Bible. I do not believe that Mohammed was his messenger.

Also, you indicate that this discussion hasn't worked because the Christians are to busy trying to argue that our religion is best. For my part i was questioning some statements that I believed were wrong. All discussion is good.
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Sep 14, 2010
 
radell wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus is God to Christians, not to Jews. Still boggled?
So you then believe that God of the OT is different than God of the NT. Glad you cleared that up.

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Amazarak wrote:
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Sorry I didn't spell it out concisely enough, but that was the premise I was after. Rooted in the same god. While the conceptions of god vary quite a bit, I was just trying to show how this is the 'same god' rooted in Abrahamic beliefs, inluding, but not limited to, christianity, islam and judaism. Only focusing on the three for sake of argument. While the belief systems vary for each one depending on the teachings of the named prophets. THAT is where my question came in to play. Can anyone answer this honestly? That we are not followers of god, but followers of the prophets and their teachings?
You need not apologise...you opened the conversation with clear guidelines. I know from first hand experience what happens when you challenge the god-figure of the rightous...there will be no conversation...been there, done that.

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