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abe_cerd

Grand Rapids, MI

#1 Mar 23, 2013
wha happened walker? thought you had it wrapped up; wood told us so with new exits, widened roadways, lots of pr, then zero, zippo, nada. that is until the dutchy of grandville kicked your derriere down 196!

now don't get me wrong ... but of course you always do; hmmm.
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#2 Mar 23, 2013
On the bright side.......

Normal people can look forward to shopping in the Grandville store without having to worry about being overrun by a bunch of Dutchmen one day each weekend!

Are CRC members allowed to visit their website on Sundays?
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#3 Mar 23, 2013
abe_cerd wrote:
wha happened walker? thought you had it wrapped up; wood told us so with new exits, widened roadways, lots of pr, then zero, zippo, nada. that is until the dutchy of grandville kicked your derriere down 196!
now don't get me wrong ... but of course you always do; hmmm.
What happened with Walker was the developer wanted the tax payers to foot the bill for all the infrastructure needing to be put in so the developer could sell the property as build and move in after the infrastructure improved the land value. And the people said NO.

Oh, and if I recall it correctly the developer wanted tax breaks on top of the tax payers footing the bill for the infrastructure needed.

I don't know the details of how it ended up with Grandville but the infrastructure was already there from XRite having been on the site.

[With Walker] once again a business externalizing liabilities wanting the tax payers to foot the bill to improve infrastructure so the business could internalize their profits. All to "create" a few retail level wage jobs?

But then there are those who will say once again I am against business. Adding in any job is better than no job at all. Even when the livability of those wages is minimal while being taxed to offset the tax breaks the profit makers are getting.
Chip

Madison, WI

#4 Mar 23, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
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What happened with Walker was the developer wanted the tax payers to foot the bill for all the infrastructure needing to be put in so the developer could sell the property as build and move in after the infrastructure improved the land value. And the people said NO.
Oh, and if I recall it correctly the developer wanted tax breaks on top of the tax payers footing the bill for the infrastructure needed.
I don't know the details of how it ended up with Grandville but the infrastructure was already there from XRite having been on the site.
[With Walker] once again a business externalizing liabilities wanting the tax payers to foot the bill to improve infrastructure so the business could internalize their profits. All to "create" a few retail level wage jobs?
But then there are those who will say once again I am against business. Adding in any job is better than no job at all. Even when the livability of those wages is minimal while being taxed to offset the tax breaks the profit makers are getting.
It's common for government to put in infrastructure for jobs, otherwise why would they bother to build any road anywhere?

The bottom line is Walker has city income taxes (for what reason I have no idea), Cabela's didn't want to pay city income taxes, why would they, it's not like it was in a high traffic downtown area.

I'm sure the employees at Cabela's really appreciate the opinion of someone who lives off the government criticizing their decision to work instead of being a freeloader.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#5 Mar 23, 2013
Chip wrote:
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It's common for government to put in infrastructure for jobs, otherwise why would they bother to build any road anywhere?
The bottom line is Walker has city income taxes (for what reason I have no idea), Cabela's didn't want to pay city income taxes, why would they, it's not like it was in a high traffic downtown area.
I'm sure the employees at Cabela's really appreciate the opinion of someone who lives off the government criticizing their decision to work instead of being a freeloader.
I guess I'll just have to take a drive out there again and see all the other businesses that are there now. Cabelas was going to be the anchor but it wasn't just for Cabeals.

And all you did was agree with my point of companies don't want to pay taxes into the community they will be making profits off of while getting the tax payers to pay for them being there. You are learning but just incapable of realizing it.

You're a prime example of simple minds that are incapable of looking at the issue(s) without having to find a way to make personal insults against those who do see the realities.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#6 Mar 23, 2013
The Chipster lives in a world where only little pay taxes.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#7 Mar 23, 2013
The Chipster lives in a world where only little PEOPLE pay tax.
Tru Believer

Mount Pleasant, MI

#8 Mar 23, 2013
Abe_cerd, Wood TV would never choose to mislead us. The billion dollar Suzann Geha development and scare team 8 weather has proven to be 100% trustworthy.
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#9 Mar 23, 2013
pipedream wrote:
The Chipster lives in a world where only little PEOPLE pay tax.
Go back to your basement and light up another doob, stevie. You needn't try and correct your inane posts. SIB can handle her own opinions without some ignorant troll trying to ride her coattails.

I believe SIB was correct on this one, and I didn't take it as another of her anti-business rants at all. Walker blew it, plain and simple.

I haven't been out to Cabelas yet, but I'm sure it's going to bring some serious business to the area. Other such Cabelas locations have actually built profitable hotels around the store in order to handle those that travel just to experience it. It's like a retail amusement park! Any city would benefit from it's being there and Walker was short-sighted.
Tru Believer

Mount Pleasant, MI

#10 Mar 23, 2013
Oneal, I'll bet if you check, the Cabelas' stores that brought a large commercial build up to the area was the mega stores like the one in Dundee.
Really

Kalamazoo, MI

#11 Mar 23, 2013
Tru Believer wrote:
Oneal, I'll bet if you check, the Cabelas' stores that brought a large commercial build up to the area was the mega stores like the one in Dundee.
Actaully, the amount of building going on right now around this Cabelas is something to see. The amount of traffic is frustrating as all get out right now until those of us who live around the area get used to the sheer volume.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#12 Mar 23, 2013
Oneal wrote:
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Go back to your basement and light up another doob, stevie. You needn't try and correct your inane posts. SIB can handle her own opinions without some ignorant troll trying to ride her coattails.
I believe SIB was correct on this one, and I didn't take it as another of her anti-business rants at all. Walker blew it, plain and simple.
I haven't been out to Cabelas yet, but I'm sure it's going to bring some serious business to the area. Other such Cabelas locations have actually built profitable hotels around the store in order to handle those that travel just to experience it. It's like a retail amusement park! Any city would benefit from it's being there and Walker was short-sighted.
Walker didn't blow anything. There was nothing in it for them and they knew it. It would have cost the tax payers more than they ever would have gotten back out of it.
Sassy

Grand Rapids, MI

#13 Mar 23, 2013
We visited the store today. We walked out without purchasing anything. We happen to be a family that loves Cabelas, Bass Pro and Gander. However, it was nuts in there. You could hardly move. Maybe I will visit in another year. Gander suits me fine for now.
While I saw the line for the checkout, I saw many more walking out without purchasing anything.

I liked the store, but will visit it at a another time.
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#14 Mar 24, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
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Walker didn't blow anything. There was nothing in it for them and they knew it. It would have cost the tax payers more than they ever would have gotten back out of it.
Throws hands in air. You'll argue over anything.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#15 Mar 24, 2013
Oneal wrote:
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Throws hands in air. You'll argue over anything.
I wasn't being arguing per-say. I just don't think Walker "blew" anything.

There even was talk between Walker and Grand Rapids to share the expenses of putting in the infrastructure and even Grand Rapids said no.

Again, I don't know what the deal was that went down with Grandville. I do know what went on with Walker and the developers wanting more out of the deal than would pay back the tax payers even to breaking even. Remember, it wasn't a deal such as Cabelas was looking to buy land and move into the area. Developers were looking to make big bucks by buying property and convincing Cabelas and others to open shop there.

I think the location chosen in Walker wasn't a good one for anyone. Not Cabelas, not the customers and not the residents. I think the current location is probably better for everyone all around. Except for the residents that aren't going to be appreciative of the increased traffic. My daughter and her family lived in the immediate area of the Grandville location and they are VERY happy now they moved out two years ago.

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#16 Mar 24, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
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I guess I'll just have to take a drive out there again and see all the other businesses that are there now. Cabelas was going to be the anchor but it wasn't just for Cabeals.
And all you did was agree with my point of companies don't want to pay taxes into the community they will be making profits off of while getting the tax payers to pay for them being there. You are learning but just incapable of realizing it.
You're a prime example of simple minds that are incapable of looking at the issue(s) without having to find a way to make personal insults against those who do see the realities.
Right now there is Target, Ulta, Maurice's, Lane Bryant, Carters, and Subway. There is still availabilities and another building under construction. And then just to the west on the other side of Ivanrest there is Rivertown, along with Meijer, Staples, a bunch of others and of course all the restaurants.

And you're correct, those of us living in the area are not pleased at all. The traffic was a concern when this was proposed, but we were ignored. It's a traffic nightmare and will be until the "newness" wears off. I for one will be diverting completely around the area for a while, even if it means extra miles and a longer drive.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#17 Mar 24, 2013
neecer wrote:
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Right now there is Target, Ulta, Maurice's, Lane Bryant, Carters, and Subway. There is still availabilities and another building under construction. And then just to the west on the other side of Ivanrest there is Rivertown, along with Meijer, Staples, a bunch of others and of course all the restaurants.
And you're correct, those of us living in the area are not pleased at all. The traffic was a concern when this was proposed, but we were ignored. It's a traffic nightmare and will be until the "newness" wears off. I for one will be diverting completely around the area for a while, even if it means extra miles and a longer drive.
When I was saying I'd have to take a drive out there I was actually talking about the proposed Walker location that fell through. I was being facetious because I don't believe anything went in out there.

The current location is a better site for Cabelas business model for the proximity of Rivertown Mall and the general retail cluster already there.

There are just too many factors involved that made the proposed Walker location not a good one. All around.

As I remember it even Cabelas was iffy about it but was willing to keep a somewhat open mind until they saw how everything would shake out. And the result is obvious.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Fenton, MI

#18 Mar 24, 2013
I wonder if they have ammo.......

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Chip

Windsor, WI

#19 Mar 24, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
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When I was saying I'd have to take a drive out there I was actually talking about the proposed Walker location that fell through. I was being facetious because I don't believe anything went in out there.
The current location is a better site for Cabelas business model for the proximity of Rivertown Mall and the general retail cluster already there.
There are just too many factors involved that made the proposed Walker location not a good one. All around.
As I remember it even Cabelas was iffy about it but was willing to keep a somewhat open mind until they saw how everything would shake out. And the result is obvious.
Your correct, I don't think anything went in out there. Certainly not any jobs, good thing walker dodged that bullet. Imagine if they would have had to deal with people with jobs investing in the economy in Walker.
Chip

Windsor, WI

#20 Mar 24, 2013
Sassy wrote:
We visited the store today. We walked out without purchasing anything. We happen to be a family that loves Cabelas, Bass Pro and Gander. However, it was nuts in there. You could hardly move. Maybe I will visit in another year. Gander suits me fine for now.
While I saw the line for the checkout, I saw many more walking out without purchasing anything.
I liked the store, but will visit it at a another time.
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