Officer charged in GVSU shooting

Full story: WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan

An Ottawa County deputy was charged Monday with careless discharge of a firearm causing injury or death in the shooting of Grand Valley State University student Derek Copp.
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221 - 240 of 501 Comments Last updated Apr 24, 2009
Rose

Encino, CA

#224 Apr 6, 2009
You know I have a few questions on this case from what I read in the news media. First there is "It was at this door that previous undercover marijuana sales had taken place, the source said." (TAKEN FROM ABOVE NEWS ARTICLE) So why has Derek not been charged for sale of marijuana? It is a crime.

And why is GVSU allowing him to remain a student? Why was he not suspended pending investigation from the school? There are many other kids who would love to get into the school who would be there to study and work hard at getting an education and GVSU allows this kid to continue on?? Come on, word had to have been over the entire campus that this kid was selling drugs. That's right, DRUGS. Oh wait, after all the football player was back at practice after his criminal behavior so I guess you could say GVSU feels this type of behavior is not a problem. Good media for all the parents thinking about their child's college.....

And his parents!!?? "This shouldn't ever have happened," Copp said. "I'm pleased by the outcome, but not too pleased by the whole ordeal....He's a pretty good kid, pretty happy kid, normally." If a child of yours is selling marijuana to other kids and ruining their lives I would not call that normal or good kid. I call that a criminal.

My end statement here is that maybe if poor Derek had not been selling drugs the officers would not have been raiding his residence and he would not have been shot. And maybe his parents should look back at the type of job they did raising their son. Who's fault is it when you look at the reason they were there? Think about it.
Onedoer

Holly, MI

#225 Apr 6, 2009
I come here from time to time to get information. I am convinced it is futile. I have not read that Copp has been charged with dealing. Where is that information. I have seen the picture with the blue vase on the shelf that has been called a bong. I don't see any thing but a blue vase. I have seen no information that would indicate that there was danger of armed resistance. It might be in the search warrant. This forum needs a facts checker.
Knowledge

Grand Rapids, MI

#226 Apr 6, 2009
Dad wrote:
quote from story
"Deputy Ryan Huizenga was named in the warrant issued by the Kalamazoo County Prosecutor's Office."
What is Kazoo's role in this? Are they the controlling group in WMET?
Kalamazoo Prosecutor's office was named by MSP to investigate due to a conflict of interest in Kent County.
Cant Read Very Well

Grand Rapids, MI

#227 Apr 6, 2009
GR Pete wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did you get this?
Duh...read the article?
xMichigan Hardlinex

United States

#228 Apr 6, 2009
Wish the drug dealer was dead. Typical of a backwards society. Criminal is the victim and the cop is the criminal. George Copp: Your kid is a drug dealer. His actions support murder,kidnappings and terrorism. He is a criminal, not a "good kid". He is not worth the time it took to write this.

Since: Oct 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#229 Apr 6, 2009
saddened in GR wrote:
response to earlier comment...yes this offier is a 12 year veteran...as such I promise you he has had to pull his weapon out and aim it many, many times. He has never discharged that weapon wrongly....think about it..dim light, kid puts up his hand very quickly to shield his face from the powerful flashlight, maybe 2 fingers out and a thumb up..looks like a gun in a split second, doesn't it?
What would you do? Give the benefit of the doubt to the drug dealer you have a warrant for? I don't think so.
You are interjecting suppositions that were not presented as facts. By your summation, it would justify an officer to shoot the driver of a vehicle that reaches for his registration and insurance documents as a justifiable shooting because the officer thought he saw something he did not really see. Sorry, doesn't wash. Guess you would be happier if the officers all carried "drop guns" to validate improper shootings?
Really

Panama City, FL

#230 Apr 6, 2009
Marti from Michigan wrote:
The police officer will get a slap on the wrist and a finger in his face saying "no - no!"
Meanwhile, Derek Copp will probably have breathing problems the rest of his life.
Yeah, smoking weed is bad for the lungs....hahahaha

Since: Oct 07

East Lansing, MI

#231 Apr 6, 2009
I KNEW IT wrote:
<quoted text>
So you're saying you may have raised your kid to make the same great decisions you have made in your lifetime, or at least from 37 years ago.
I am saying I have raised my son's to think for themselves, not everyone is perfect...not even cops, teachers or priests, for example.Just because an "adult" has a job or title, doesn't make them a safe person, or right !! I have told them, since they could talk and say my cigarette smoke smelled, that I was stupid, and I hope they are smarter than me. They have known where to find our budget book all their lives, what each bill was, and wheather or not I paid it on time! I have never been a perfect parent, the kind that has all the answers. I have told my sons I will back them in public, right or wrong, and maybe scold them in private. My sons knew my "mistakes" and apparently learned from them ! I am so proud of them, and both are awesome !! Reality check... get off your " high horse " !!

Since: Oct 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#232 Apr 6, 2009
I KNEW IT wrote:
<quoted text>
They said officers were coming through the front door and officers were at the slider, attempting to enter from the back.
Why was Copp at the back door if the cops were coming through the front door other then in an attempt to escape?
When someone comes to my front door, I don't go to the back door and look out.
Read post #206 ...

Since: Oct 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#233 Apr 6, 2009
GR Pete wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did you get this? Has it been published. It always sounded like an accident to me. I can't imagine that he is trained to shoot under those circumstances. If they are going to shine lights in his eyes they have to expect that he is going to shield his eyes, just like any normal human being.
Channel 8 website after the news tonight ..
GvilllJim

AOL

#234 Apr 6, 2009
This little piggy went to market,
This little piggy stayed at home,
This little piggy had roast beef,
This little piggy had none.
And this little piggy went...
"Wee wee wee" all the way to jail.
Rose

Encino, CA

#235 Apr 6, 2009
abc123 wrote:
Hats off to the State Police for a fair investigation.
If Copp has not been arrested yet, doubtful he will be. Wonder what evidence was shown to the judge for the search warrent in the first place.
It does not appear the drug team handled this whole raid very well.
Hopefully the whole story will be out soon.
Read the article again. They made several buys at that place already. DUH

Since: Sep 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#236 Apr 6, 2009
Rose wrote:
You know I have a few questions on this case from what I read in the news media. First there is "It was at this door that previous undercover marijuana sales had taken place, the source said." (TAKEN FROM ABOVE NEWS ARTICLE) So why has Derek not been charged for sale of marijuana? It is a crime.
And why is GVSU allowing him to remain a student? Why was he not suspended pending investigation from the school? There are many other kids who would love to get into the school who would be there to study and work hard at getting an education and GVSU allows this kid to continue on?? Come on, word had to have been over the entire campus that this kid was selling drugs. That's right, DRUGS. Oh wait, after all the football player was back at practice after his criminal behavior so I guess you could say GVSU feels this type of behavior is not a problem. Good media for all the parents thinking about their child's college.....
And his parents!!?? "This shouldn't ever have happened," Copp said. "I'm pleased by the outcome, but not too pleased by the whole ordeal....He's a pretty good kid, pretty happy kid, normally." If a child of yours is selling marijuana to other kids and ruining their lives I would not call that normal or good kid. I call that a criminal.
My end statement here is that maybe if poor Derek had not been selling drugs the officers would not have been raiding his residence and he would not have been shot. And maybe his parents should look back at the type of job they did raising their son. Who's fault is it when you look at the reason they were there? Think about it.
We thought about it, it is the same old right wing crap that has got our prisons full and corrupted our justice system for decades. College kids are going to drink beer and smoke dope, get over it. They should not be shot in the chest or anywhere else for doing it. It is time to give up the War on Marijuana and Beer. If you don't want to smoke or drink or have your kids smoke or drink start your own society somewhere, in the meantime I don't want my tax dollars wasted on this type of so called law enforcement. I suppose you would like to try to stop college kids from copulating also, good luck.
GvillleJim

AOL

#237 Apr 6, 2009
Knowledge wrote:
<quoted text>
Kalamazoo Prosecutor's office was named by MSP to investigate due to a conflict of interest in Kent County.
You call yourself "Knowledge" Well Dumb A** it is a conflict of intrest in Ottawa County, Not Kent Please learn the facts, May your years of Dope smoking now affected your brain

Since: Sep 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#238 Apr 6, 2009
Over 50 wrote:
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Channel 8 website after the news tonight ..
Ok I did not see that detail in the story I read, thanks.
ScubaSteve

Saint Charles, IL

#239 Apr 6, 2009
GR Pete wrote:
<quoted text>
Alright it is a bit more complicated than I thought. Michigan basically considers anything with a max punisment of more than a year in prison a felony.
750.7. Felony
Sec. 7. Felony--The term "felony" when used in this act, shall be construed to mean an offense for which the offender, on conviction may be punished by death, or by imprisonment in state prison.
So do the feds.
18 USCA 1
" 1. Offenses classified
"Notwithstanding any Act of Congress to the contrary:
"(1) Any offense punishable by death or imprisonment for a term exceeding one year is a felony.
Federal Law prohibits a person from carrying a firearm if they have been convicted of a crime with a max punishment of more than a year.
18 USCA 922
(g) It shall be unlawful for any person--
(1) who has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce, or possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.
BUT for purposes of determining if a crime is punishable for more than a year federal law says this.
18 USCA 921
(20) The term "crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year" does not include
(B) any State offense classified by the laws of the State as a misdemeanor and punishable by a term of imprisonment of two years or less
Therefore I still believe that for all practical purposes a conviction as charged is a felony but it will not prevent him from carrying a weapon for purposes of federal law. I bet he is offered and if he is smart accepts a plea to an attempt at the prelim.
GRPete, thank you for the explanation. Just want to make sure people know what they are talking about when they speak.
sandra day occonner

Wayland, MI

#240 Apr 6, 2009
careless use/discharge is not a specific intent crime, hence most likely an accidental discharge. When one takes into account that when officers of the law (regardless of how long they have been on the job) serve a warrant, the stress level is elevated one can see where an accident may occur.

That being said, to all those of you in the past who have spoken ill of our judicial system i will set a place for you at the table so you can dine on crow.....

ps...remember, this is only a charge, to those of you who arent familiar w/ our judicial system, innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law, not public opinion.
GvillleJim

AOL

#241 Apr 6, 2009
Rose wrote:
<quoted text>
Read the article again. They made several buys at that place already. DUH
You are so clueless....The cop's shot an unarmed man in a cowboy raid.
air

United States

#242 Apr 6, 2009
I KNEW IT wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny...Copp is innocent because he says so. COP is guilty because he's a scumbag trigger happy pig without waiting for the facts of the investigation.
You sure are selective in who you believe and why.
Don't forget. The officer may be charged, but he still has HIS DAY IN COURT.
Well,who got the Bullit hole, Who had the gun, and Who been charged

Since: Oct 07

East Lansing, MI

#243 Apr 6, 2009
Methodist wrote:
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Add me to the list. I smoked a little dope in Campus View 31 years ago when I was a student there.Did a little underage drinking too FWIW.
Now I have a good professional level job I've held for over 25 years and been married to the same pot smoking Campus View hippie chick for nearly 30 years--who also has over 25 years in with a Fortune 500 company.
Debt free by 40--on track to retire by the early 50's--share in several US patents--kids on the Deans List at college.
I can only pray they make out as well in life.
Thank You... not all "pot" smokers are a "piece of trash" !!!

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