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Since: Feb 10

Grand Rapids, MI

#188 Jul 21, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
I remember everyone worrying, back in the early-mid 70's....about when the Vietnam War was petering out....where's everyone gonna work...it's a neverending concern....i do think about 3-4 percent of our population, have zero desire to actually work....lol....i thing, you can alway's count on, is change....


Yep. I also remember when economists said we could never get below 5% unemployment, yet we did between 1997 and 2007. I also remember when having two TV's and air conditioning meant you were very rich.

Since: Oct 12

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#189 Jul 21, 2013
FLBeaver wrote:
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Yep. I also remember when economists said we could never get below 5% unemployment, yet we did between 1997 and 2007. I also remember when having two TV's and air conditioning meant you were very rich.
Be good to know, just how many jobs, the Corporate Greedy outsourced, in those ten years? Lucky us...now we get to pay more, for shoddy goods.....in order to maintain their profit margins and stockholder's dividends....
Really

Wyoming, MI

#190 Jul 21, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Be good to know, just how many jobs, the Corporate Greedy outsourced, in those ten years? Lucky us...now we get to pay more, for shoddy goods.....in order to maintain their profit margins and stockholder's dividends....
Question for you Blue.....do you have a 401K? If you do, do you know where it is invested and do you control where it is invested? How many stocks are you invested in that are foreign stocks? Not picking, just asking.

Since: Oct 12

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#191 Jul 21, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Question for you Blue.....do you have a 401K? If you do, do you know where it is invested and do you control where it is invested? How many stocks are you invested in that are foreign stocks? Not picking, just asking.
Sorry, you are far too petty and mean-spirited to ever give any info.......
Really

Wyoming, MI

#192 Jul 21, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, you are far too petty and mean-spirited to ever give any info.......
I knew that would be your answer since you don't reply to anything. You do have a penchant, though, for throwing out information and expecting everyone to accept what you put out there. For someone who wants to have " civil conversation" you sure aren't very civil nor do you want to hear anyone else's opinions. Not surprised, but very disappointing.

Since: Feb 10

Grand Rapids, MI

#193 Jul 22, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Be good to know, just how many jobs, the Corporate Greedy outsourced, in those ten years? Lucky us...now we get to pay more, for shoddy goods.....in order to maintain their profit margins and stockholder's dividends....
Two points.
That depends on what you mean by outsourced. Ford sells cars in Australia. If they build a factory in Australia are those jobs "outsourced"? Apple sells more iPhones outside the US than inside the US. When it builds a factory in China are those jobs "outsourced" since they never existed here? If a company is growing their business overseas, and so they contact with a foreign manufacturer are those jobs "outsourced"? When Toyota builds a plant and hires people in the US, should those jobs not count since they are Japanse jobs that were outsourced?
If you are talking strictly about a company shutting down jobs here and directly moving them overseas, the answer is relatively few.

According the the BLS, in 2004 there were 12,904 jobs that were relocated overseas. In 2005 there were 9,438.(Table 15, http://www.bls.gov/mls/mlsreport997.pdf ) Using a 10,000 per year average that works out to roughly 100,000 jobs over a ten year period. Looked at another way, NAFTA came into force in January 1994. That month, there were 112,519,000 people employed. A year later there were almost 4 million more people employed. Two years later another 1.8M. Three years after NAFTA another 3M. It wasn't until 2002 that we had a decrease in employment and today we have 22M more people working than when NAFTA was signed.

Sure, some jobs have gone overseas but at the same time foreign companies came here. Toyota, Honday, and Seimens are names that are large foreign companies with significant employement here. But there are a lot of other companies, like Delhaize, BP, Cadbury Scheweppes that employ lots of Americans. I have yet to meet the person who complains about all the mythical jobs that have been outsourced also demand that all those foreign jobs that have been oursourced into this country be sent back.

I don't think I ever saw a protest around a Toyota plant demanding the plant be shut down and those jobs be sent back to Japan.

Since: Oct 12

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#194 Jul 22, 2013
FLBeaver wrote:
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Two points.
That depends on what you mean by outsourced. Ford sells cars in Australia. If they build a factory in Australia are those jobs "outsourced"? Apple sells more iPhones outside the US than inside the US. When it builds a factory in China are those jobs "outsourced" since they never existed here? If a company is growing their business overseas, and so they contact with a foreign manufacturer are those jobs "outsourced"? When Toyota builds a plant and hires people in the US, should those jobs not count since they are Japanse jobs that were outsourced?
If you are talking strictly about a company shutting down jobs here and directly moving them overseas, the answer is relatively few.
According the the BLS, in 2004 there were 12,904 jobs that were relocated overseas. In 2005 there were 9,438.(Table 15, http://www.bls.gov/mls/mlsreport997.pdf ) Using a 10,000 per year average that works out to roughly 100,000 jobs over a ten year period. Looked at another way, NAFTA came into force in January 1994. That month, there were 112,519,000 people employed. A year later there were almost 4 million more people employed. Two years later another 1.8M. Three years after NAFTA another 3M. It wasn't until 2002 that we had a decrease in employment and today we have 22M more people working than when NAFTA was signed.
Sure, some jobs have gone overseas but at the same time foreign companies came here. Toyota, Honday, and Seimens are names that are large foreign companies with significant employement here. But there are a lot of other companies, like Delhaize, BP, Cadbury Scheweppes that employ lots of Americans. I have yet to meet the person who complains about all the mythical jobs that have been outsourced also demand that all those foreign jobs that have been oursourced into this country be sent back.
I don't think I ever saw a protest around a Toyota plant demanding the plant be shut down and those jobs be sent back to Japan.
Your correct, and i have spoken before about multi-nationals like automakers building regional manufacturing....for many years, Toyota has had a pickup truck plant in Thailand....very smart, as all those pickups are for their asian and Australia market.....so, that isn't really outsourcing, unless we look at it with a colonial attitude, in that Toyota at one time, only had factories in Japan.....GM, Ford and Chrysler only in America....Regional Manufacturing makes great sense in this newer global marketplace for many reasons, including huge transportation savings.......On your other points, and staying briefly on autos.....Due to union and other factors, companies weren't "profitable enough" to stay here, and left....Then when manufacturing starts up in a new plant here.....can we honestly complain when the pay is less than what the lofty union wages were?

Since: Feb 10

Grand Rapids, MI

#195 Jul 22, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> Your correct, and i have spoken before about multi-nationals like automakers building regional manufacturing....for many years, Toyota has had a pickup truck plant in Thailand....very smart, as all those pickups are for their asian and Australia market.....so, that isn't really outsourcing, unless we look at it with a colonial attitude, in that Toyota at one time, only had factories in Japan.....GM, Ford and Chrysler only in America....Regional Manufacturing makes great sense in this newer global marketplace for many reasons, including huge transportation savings.......On your other points, and staying briefly on autos.....Due to union and other factors, companies weren't "profitable enough" to stay here, and left....Then when manufacturing starts up in a new plant here.....can we honestly complain when the pay is less than what the lofty union wages were?
Over the weekend I heard a liberal talking about Detroit and how it was the fault of the South because the auto companies moved their work out of Michigan and down to the south because the wages were less than what the union workers in Michigan made. It wasn't the unions fault for increasing wages, it was the workers in the south who were willing to take a job for less rather than be unemployed (never mind that, at the time the COL was a lot cheaper in the south).

Since: Oct 12

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#196 Jul 22, 2013
FLBeaver wrote:
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Over the weekend I heard a liberal talking about Detroit and how it was the fault of the South because the auto companies moved their work out of Michigan and down to the south because the wages were less than what the union workers in Michigan made. It wasn't the unions fault for increasing wages, it was the workers in the south who were willing to take a job for less rather than be unemployed (never mind that, at the time the COL was a lot cheaper in the south).
Don't know about all the labels, like liberal and such...but, the Union's started out for the best of reasons, then the power, money and temptation all became too much....Your right, though in that fault of the South just does'nt compute....lol....I'm actually pleased that this recovery is somewhat slow. Slower growth is usually healthier....

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#197 Aug 3, 2013
What's this great news....President Obama LOWERED OUR NATIONAL DEBT, BY A TRILLION DOLLARS......Where oh where is the, "When's he gonna do something about the debt" Crowd???
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#198 Aug 3, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
What's this great news....President Obama LOWERED OUR NATIONAL DEBT, BY A TRILLION DOLLARS......Where oh where is the, "When's he gonna do something about the debt" Crowd???
Link please ... isn't that what you lazy liberals always demand from us?

Since: Oct 12

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#199 Aug 3, 2013
But, Media is not covering it.....
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#200 Aug 3, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
But, Media is not covering it.....
That's because the deficit is about the last thing Obama wants to discuss considering what he's added to it.

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#201 Aug 3, 2013
Oneal wrote:
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That's because the deficit is about the last thing Obama wants to discuss considering what he's added to it.
Follow the conversation, Dimwit.....
Really

Wyoming, MI

#202 Aug 3, 2013
Oneal wrote:
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Link please ... isn't that what you lazy liberals always demand from us?
He has no link and never does. He just spouts stuff and you are expected to believe whatever he says.
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#203 Aug 3, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Follow the conversation, Dimwit.....
Provide a link.

Since: Oct 12

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#204 Sep 15, 2013
I, along with numerous American's are Rejoicing at the fact that for this fiscal year, President Obama will bring in a budget deficit under a Trillion Dollars, for the first time....IN FIVE YEARS...
Really

Wyoming, MI

#205 Sep 15, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
I, along with numerous American's are Rejoicing at the fact that for this fiscal year, President Obama will bring in a budget deficit under a Trillion Dollars, for the first time....IN FIVE YEARS...
And you and the "numerous Americans" have zero clue how he accomplished it with fuzzy math, and what is more, no of you even care and that speaks louder than any of your other drivel posts you put up. Never mind that he has increased the Deficit more than any other President IN HISTORY in said 5 years. and the dog and pony show continues.

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Since: Apr 07

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#206 Sep 15, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
I, along with numerous American's are Rejoicing at the fact that for this fiscal year, President Obama will bring in a budget deficit under a Trillion Dollars, for the first time....IN FIVE YEARS...
That would actually require him to have a budget passed. Something he hasn't been able to get past the Senate.... IN FIVE YEARS.....

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#207 Sep 16, 2013
BUSINESSES BOOST STOCKPILES OF GOODS.....(9-14-13) AP....U.S. businesses restocked their shelves and warehouses in July at the fastest pace since January as their sales rose, a hopeful sign for economic growth....Business stockpiles increased 0.4 percent in July from Jume, the Commerce Department said Friday, aft6er ticking up just 0.1 percent the previous month. Total business sales rose 0.6 percent in July, up from just 0.2 percent in June.....Rising stockpiles can be a good sign for the economy because they suggest companies expect greater sales.....Business stockpiles in July stood at a seasonally adjusted $1.66 trillion, 3.2 percent higher than a year ago.......

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