Voices Without a Vote - Must Watch Video

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#1 Oct 8, 2012
Good Day,

Maybe the future of America is not lost...



Steelie

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#2 Oct 8, 2012
Good Day,

Oops, sorry, minor spacing typo...

Steelie
Go Blue

Miami, FL

#3 Oct 9, 2012
Steelie wrote:
Good Day,
Maybe the future of America is not lost...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =VuCaWYvpVZgXX
Steelie
Steelie, sadly another GOP corporate child labor violation....just kidding....why combine church and state?..really asking.....BTW, even though we seem focused on the economy...i had to go the the mall today, and it was packed....must have parked 50 cars away from Macys door.....think those shoppers, are aware of the economic doom and gloom?
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#4 Oct 9, 2012
Go Blue wrote:
BTW, even though we seem focused on the economy...i had to go the the mall today, and it was packed....must have parked 50 cars away from Macys door.....think those shoppers, are aware of the economic doom and gloom?
Looking isn't buying. Just because they're AT the mall doesn't mean they're buying the place out. Just sayin'....
Thought about making meatloaf for dinner, but with ground chuck at $4.99 a pound, looks like chicken again...or maybe tuna casserole.
Funny how prime rib was $4.99 a pound when Obama took office and now that's what they're asking for ground chuck....who says that the middle class isn't being taxed?

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#5 Oct 9, 2012
Good Day,

Blue... Nice to know that there were that many people at your local mall. However, as I have stated before, we have to look at the overall metrics/numbers and they don't look that great right now. How many of those people are actually buying things? There are recent reports that manufacturing orders are down. Manufactured product shipping - down. Corporate profits - down. Bellweather companies such as Intel and Fed-Ex are expecting (or warning of) lower quarterly profits. All of which seem to point to a lack of demand. Also - I refer to my break down of the "U" numbers in the 7.8% thread:

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/grand-rapids-...

I don't think the video expressly stated a wish to combine church and state but rather that religious freedoms are being stepped on.

With that said... I think this is an inspring video in many ways. And it is not just this video either. I think many of this particular generation (depicted in the video) are waking up to what is wrong with the policies of this administration and its cronies. For example, have you seen the various reports from all over the country of children rising up against the new "food rules" being issued (ostensibly) by Michelle Obama? They are complaining of being hungry as the meals are too small. Athletes are having trouble competing as they are not being provided enough calories (upwards of 3x that of non-athletes). Heck, they are even creating a black "food" market in the schools! As Ronald Reagan once said:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."

I think these kids get it...

Steelie



Go Blue

Miami, FL

#6 Oct 9, 2012
vox veritatis wrote:
<quoted text>
Looking isn't buying. Just because they're AT the mall doesn't mean they're buying the place out. Just sayin'....
Thought about making meatloaf for dinner, but with ground chuck at $4.99 a pound, looks like chicken again...or maybe tuna casserole.
Funny how prime rib was $4.99 a pound when Obama took office and now that's what they're asking for ground chuck....who says that the middle class isn't being taxed?
Do you really make meatloaf outta ground chuck? I'm great at shopping for meat, and at charcoal grill....those prices are very high...i paid $4.99 for boneless top sirloin today, and usually pay $2.49 for pretty good ground beef(meatloaf)....cheapest i have seen for prime rib, for many years, is around $4.99-$5.99 a pound....As for the mall, they had a lotta bags, so buying i guess....
Go Blue

Miami, FL

#7 Oct 9, 2012
Steelie, i just don't feel the loss of freedoms, except at the airport....and i feel those kids were coached, and curiously, all attractive...i would also, add to your quote....possibly courage and honor, skip a generation....

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#8 Oct 9, 2012
Go Blue wrote:
Steelie, i just don't feel the loss of freedoms, except at the airport....and i feel those kids were coached, and curiously, all attractive...i would also, add to your quote....possibly courage and honor, skip a generation....
Good Day,

Hey Blue... One or two interesting points there regarding your last sentence on courage and honor.

That said...(No offense to you.) I think we need to look at the big picture regarding "loss of freedom". While this administration has certainly kicked it up a notch, the "progressive" approach has been around for nearly 100 years (or more) with a clear aim of removing freedoms from the individual for the sake of government rather than the individual. You may say I am going too far with that statement but look around and you may find a grain of truth in it. For example, just look at the Healthcare law and it's infringement on personal freedoms such as the right to freely participate (or not) in commerce vs. participation by government dictate. Or the infringement upon freedom or religious belief by forcing religious organizations to participate (fund) in something that is clearly against their belief system (contraception). Ask farmers about the crushing and ridiculous EPA regulations effecting their ability to freely farm their land. Come on, a regulation on dust? Or a puddle is now considered wet lands? Ask coal miners in the Virginia's and Ohio how EPA regulations have effected their freedom to work in the mines. Or the folks who staff the coal fired plants that are closing down. Many small business owners are scared "bat guano" to freely hire new employees due to fear of new regulations will be forced upon them. Just a few examples...

Steelie
Go Blue

Miami, FL

#9 Oct 9, 2012
Steelie, would'nt the opposite of that debate, that with healthcare, without participation, the taxpayers would be forced to pay(deficit) for those that refuse to be responsible for their own selves? Aren't we infringing on the rest's freedom of irresponsibility?.....Also, we disagree about the contraception subject, i find it an insurance issue, not a religous one....On coal and oil fracking, don't we all know the environmental damage done by both process's? When shall we deal with this, only when it is convenient?.....
Sassy

Grand Rapids, MI

#10 Oct 9, 2012
Steelie,

GR Press Sunday Article on Manufacturing jobs. Also, I know a specific manufacturer that their customers are coming back as the Mexico parts are not up to par as those of a certain manufacturer here in GR.

Anyway here is the article:

http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/...
Steelie wrote:
Good Day,
Blue... Nice to know that there were that many people at your local mall. However, as I have stated before, we have to look at the overall metrics/numbers and they don't look that great right now. How many of those people are actually buying things? There are recent reports that manufacturing orders are down. Manufactured product shipping - down. Corporate profits - down. Bellweather companies such as Intel and Fed-Ex are expecting (or warning of) lower quarterly profits. All of which seem to point to a lack of demand. Also - I refer to my break down of the "U" numbers in the 7.8% thread:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/grand-rapids-...
I don't think the video expressly stated a wish to combine church and state but rather that religious freedoms are being stepped on.
With that said... I think this is an inspring video in many ways. And it is not just this video either. I think many of this particular generation (depicted in the video) are waking up to what is wrong with the policies of this administration and its cronies. For example, have you seen the various reports from all over the country of children rising up against the new "food rules" being issued (ostensibly) by Michelle Obama? They are complaining of being hungry as the meals are too small. Athletes are having trouble competing as they are not being provided enough calories (upwards of 3x that of non-athletes). Heck, they are even creating a black "food" market in the schools! As Ronald Reagan once said:
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."
I think these kids get it...
Steelie

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#11 Oct 9, 2012
Sassy wrote:
Steelie,
GR Press Sunday Article on Manufacturing jobs. Also, I know a specific manufacturer that their customers are coming back as the Mexico parts are not up to par as those of a certain manufacturer here in GR.
Anyway here is the article:
http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/...
<quoted text>
That is good news!
But after Obama spent Billions of our tax dollars with his stimulus money to send jobs overseas, I wonder if part of the reason is that companies are certain that will end soon?
http://obamanomicsoutsourced.com/
Go Blue

Miami, FL

#12 Oct 10, 2012
Quality control is a definite problem with many chinese products, much like back in the 50-60's and the japanese products....Anyone see, 60 Minutes and the security concerns over the high-tech telecommunications giant, from China?
Freedom

Grand Rapids, MI

#13 Oct 10, 2012
Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>That is good news!
But after Obama spent Billions of our tax dollars with his stimulus money to send jobs overseas, I wonder if part of the reason is that companies are certain that will end soon?
http://obamanomicsoutsourced.com/
I see a lot of people working now compared to when we had the Republican President. Over time all the time. It looks to me like what President Obama did is working and what President Bush did with the big taxes cuts for the rich ended up lossing jobs down!down! down

Obama/Biden 2012
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#14 Oct 10, 2012
Freedom wrote:
<quoted text>
I see a lot of people working now compared to when we had the Republican President. Over time all the time. It looks to me like what President Obama did is working and what President Bush did with the big taxes cuts for the rich ended up lossing jobs down!down! down
Obama/Biden 2012
Really?? Unemployment was lower so......blinders or what? Or are you talking about Mcdonalds? or apple orchards? or what?

By the way there, all the tax breaks are still in place, nothing has changed on that front. Obama has not changed anything in taxes!! except a SS tax break, which by the way takes away from the amount paid in SS. Oh and did you know that America has the Largest corporate tax in the Industrialized world?........no? Didn't think so!
Go Blue

Miami, FL

#15 Oct 10, 2012
Seems like, over the past four years, we've heard alot on here about all those taxes, Obama raised?
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#16 Oct 10, 2012
They are going to raise If Obama gets re-elected the whole world knows that..........lol.......

by the way who is we? did you finaly find a little friend.......never mind!.....
Go Blue

Miami, FL

#17 Oct 10, 2012
to be announced wrote:
They are going to raise If Obama gets re-elected the whole world knows that..........lol.......
by the way who is we? did you finaly find a little friend.......never mind!.....
So, thats zero raised taxes?

Since: Feb 08

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#18 Oct 10, 2012
Sassy wrote:
Steelie,
GR Press Sunday Article on Manufacturing jobs. Also, I know a specific manufacturer that their customers are coming back as the Mexico parts are not up to par as those of a certain manufacturer here in GR.
Anyway here is the article:
http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/...
<quoted text>
Good Day,

Hey Sassy... I used to be in international business, so I keep a pretty close eye on this stuff. It is true that there are some jobs being repatriated to the US from various other countries.(Primarily due to QC issues.) And that is a good thing in many respects. But then the question comes to me, how can we do more of this? How can we lure more businesses to either repatriate or even keep the jobs from leaving in the first place? Obviously it is a rather complex economic question.(How to make America competitive again? How to regain our edge?)

Not to be a "Debbie Downer"... but I often wonder if we can become the pinnacle of manufacturing once again? I don't know if you remember this exchange that reportedly occured between the late Steve Jobs and Obama a couple of years ago. Jobs was talking about IPhones when the president asked:

Why canít that work come home? Mr. Obama asked.

Mr. Jobsís reply was unambiguous.ďThose jobs arenít coming back.Ē

(THe article it came from in the NYT - http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/ap... )

Scary thought huh?(Please read the article, it does make some great points.) I think Jobs may very well have been correct, those jobs are gone. Even on some new technologies we can't compete. Take "green energy" for example. Like it or not, the Chinese are kicking our butts. Despite pouring billions into green energy companies here in the US, the Chinese still were more competitive and companies here in the US closed their doors.

Even so, China is now losing jobs to other countries that can do certain jobs even cheaper (Viet Nam and Thailand come to mind).

Steelie

Since: Feb 08

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#19 Oct 10, 2012
Go Blue wrote:
Seems like, over the past four years, we've heard alot on here about all those taxes, Obama raised?
Good Day,

Hey Blue... He has (well, to be fair he signed off on legislation that raises taxes). The problem is they have not yet taken effect. January 1, 2013 is commonly know as Taxmeggedon. On this day, every tax paying American will be hit by the largest tax increase in American history.($494 billion I think.) Also, Obama only signed off on extending the Bush tax cuts for one year, after which they are scheduled to expire.

See How Taxmageddon Will Impact You:

http://www.myheritage.org/news/see-how-taxmag...

Steelie
Go Blue

Miami, FL

#20 Oct 10, 2012
Steelie, did you see 60 Minutes, sunday? They had a fascinating segment about the sensative issues involved with the chinese telecommunications company, doing business here in the US and their close working situation, with the gov't of China...and security implications....

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