Teens caught toilet-papering house, b...

Teens caught toilet-papering house, boy shot

There are 489 comments on the WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story from Oct 12, 2008, titled Teens caught toilet-papering house, boy shot. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

A group of four teens were toilet-papering a home early Sunday morning when the home's owner woke up and fired shots.

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Too Funny

Chesterfield, MO

#355 Oct 13, 2008
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA. Dumb Kid. He'll be fine. If this was in the Florida of the Ole Dirty South, the owner would have been within his rights to shoot the kid dead. These are different times and TP'ing a house...Come on. He is lucky and hopefully learned his lesson. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA.
Ames

Grand Rapids, MI

#356 Oct 13, 2008
He'd be okay in Texas, but this ain't Texas and Michigan law is pretty clear that this was a bad shoot.
I'm pro-Second Ammendment, I have a CPL and guns myself ... but I know when they are and ARE NOT to be used. This guy doesn't get it.
He needs to spend some time in prison (maybe a LOT of time depending on how that poor kid makes out) and never own a gun again.
Irresponsible gun use erodes the progress we've made toward gun rights in the last decade or so.
He may get lucky, though - Kent County's prosecutor has let people off in the last few years for shooting someone on their deck, firing recklessly downtown (even hitting an occupied vehicle)...
Civilly, however, he doesn't stand a chance.
Tim Brock

Marietta, GA

#357 Oct 13, 2008
My house is 300 feet away from the road if i see you in my yard at 1:00 am i can only assume you are there to hurt me or my family. My property is what helps keep my family safe niot to mention i worked hard for what i have. To all who have toilet paper, you better wipe your backside with it cause at 1 in the morning you may need it to stop the bleeding

“love, loyalty, friendship”

Since: Sep 08

Dutchville

#358 Oct 13, 2008
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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The innocent victim (the homeowner) would not even be in this story had some parents taught their kids that tresspassing in the middle of the night is dangerous.
He did not start this...the kids did.
That's not to say he did the right thing...I feel for him.
Yeah, I feel for the homeowner too. Not only because of the t.p. thing, but because he has to live with how he handled it.

And you're right- those kids certainly shouldn't have been out there in that man's yard in the middle of the night- I hope the parents had a much needed discussion with their kids about respecting other people's property.

Bad thing all the way around- I'm just glad the kid wasn't hurt worse or killed.
hollywood

Grand Rapids, MI

#359 Oct 13, 2008
freedom1 wrote:
This is exactly why we need gun control and the man should have been arrested what is this shoot and then ask questions if the person lives?
how can you have a view such as this and call yourself "freedom1" ????
lirpa

Washington, DC

#360 Oct 13, 2008
The little bastard's lucky he wasn't killed
Tim Brock

Marietta, GA

#361 Oct 13, 2008
People keep saying you shouldn't shoot until you know for sure your life is in danger. About the time your sure you may be dead, if your not sure you had better play it safe and shoot like hell.

Since: Jul 08

North of GR

#362 Oct 13, 2008
dave wrote:
I think the other 3 should be charged with getting the one shot. The homeowner should have every right to protect his property.
<quoted text>
No charges at all as far as I am concerned...I think everyone learned a lesson on this one...
Cynthia

Dallas, TX

#363 Oct 13, 2008
Wow,fear cause people to turn into real mean cowards. Too bad he could not have just called the police, or just fired shots into the air instead of another human being.
Zuker

United States

#364 Oct 13, 2008
Xenthan wrote:
<quoted text>
Not that I agree what this guy did but you are not totally correct here.
In the state of Mich you are allowed to use ANY force necessary to stop a FELONY in progress.Property crimes over $500(I think that is the number)is considered a felony.
Ahhh, NO YOU'RE NOT! Great Bodily Harm, Eminent Danger, Life Threatening. These are the ONLY times you can shoot. You CANNOT legally use Deadly Force to protect PROPERTY!!
John

Homer Glen, IL

#365 Oct 13, 2008
Hell Yes! Teach the little punks why the second amendment is the best amendment of all!
John

Homer Glen, IL

#366 Oct 13, 2008
Tim Brock wrote:
People keep saying you shouldn't shoot until you know for sure your life is in danger. About the time your sure you may be dead, if your not sure you had better play it safe and shoot like hell.
Thats the Liberal North for you.
I Lived in chicago for 12 years, then florida for 7 and now i am back in chicago. In Florida, if someone is tresspassing on your property you have a right to defend yourself with deadly force if you, your home, or your car are being threatened.

“love, loyalty, friendship”

Since: Sep 08

Dutchville

#367 Oct 13, 2008
DJL wrote:
<quoted text>
By the way, it wasn't a rifle. It was a shotgun.
Big difference.
Okay, sorry. But a shotgun will kill too.
been there

AOL

#368 Oct 13, 2008
Throughout the high school years of my daughters, we were numerously T.P.'d over our trees that blanketed our front yard. It was horribly frustrating and a real mess! As years progressed, it turned more damaging with ketchup, oil, etc. IT'S NOT FUNNY! Parents...talk to your kids and tell them this is not acceptable!! While I do not condone shooting someone, with the recent unsolved murders, I can only imagine how things that "go bump in the night" might make people anxious these days. I feel sorry for everyone involved.
Feel Good This Morning

Ada, MI

#369 Oct 13, 2008
MORON!

You decided who I am talking about
456abc

Ellenwood, GA

#370 Oct 13, 2008
Well, I hope the kid is okay and learns a lesson to NEVER again trash someone's house. I lived next door to the local football hero and the cheerleaders frequently t'p'd our trees too, and never once came back to clean up the mess. I spent every saturday cleaning their mess and wasn't allowed to go hang with my friends until it was all cleaned up.

Since: Jul 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#371 Oct 13, 2008
Ames wrote:
He'd be okay in Texas, but this ain't Texas and Michigan law is pretty clear that this was a bad shoot.
I'm pro-Second Ammendment, I have a CPL and guns myself ... but I know when they are and ARE NOT to be used. This guy doesn't get it.
He needs to spend some time in prison (maybe a LOT of time depending on how that poor kid makes out) and never own a gun again.
Irresponsible gun use erodes the progress we've made toward gun rights in the last decade or so.
He may get lucky, though - Kent County's prosecutor has let people off in the last few years for shooting someone on their deck, firing recklessly downtown (even hitting an occupied vehicle)...
Civilly, however, he doesn't stand a chance.
I disagree that it is that cut and dry. The only thing the shooter has to do is demonstrate that he was scared for his life and felt his life and the life of his family was in danger.

Depending on what statements he has made to the police. He are assuming he shot protecting his property, when he could have shot in protection of his family.
Zuker

United States

#372 Oct 13, 2008
I had a case of an 18 year old shooting a suspect for smashing the windshield of his car, which was parked next to the garage, as well as next to the house. Suspect lived. Homeowner, is now serving prison time for Assault with Intent to Commit Murder!! I'd say anyone thinking of shooting over a TPing incident or even a Breaking and Entering of a garage, that requires one to shoot outside the house, may want to set their affairs in order, as they may very well find themselves in the State Pen. I don't think I would have gambled and ruined my life over this one.
Zuker

United States

#373 Oct 13, 2008
Oh, and the 18 year old suspect.....his minimum sentence is 7 years and his maximum sentence is 15 years. A life ruined.
courtland twnship

Grandville, MI

#374 Oct 13, 2008
Wonder if this had to do with Homecoming dance for Cedars High School on Saturday. This prank is one that happens often but in this day, it is stupid & dangerous. Hope the boy recoups and is made to serve community service in Cedar. Maybe if he has to pick up trash then he'll think twice before making a mess on someone elses property.

As for the homeowner -- He is in big trouble. Just ask the Cedar resident who shot the man breaking into his slider. The courts said the deck is an extension of the home and he was justified. But civil suits have broke the man. He has lost everything.

So you had better be darn sure your life or that of your family is in danger. He will pay $$$$$$$$$$

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