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“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#1 Feb 22, 2013
Just say "NO!" to jobs.
Just say "YES!" to union bosses.

The Twin City SEIU janitors are holding steady with their demands for a 30% to 40% wage increase and are poised & ready to walk out on Sunday.

Go for it! Strike now - don't wait until Sunday.

https://www.facebook.com/seiu26

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#2 Feb 22, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
Just say "NO!" to jobs.
Just say "YES!" to union bosses.
The Twin City SEIU janitors are holding steady with their demands for a 30% to 40% wage increase and are poised & ready to walk out on Sunday.
Go for it! Strike now - don't wait until Sunday.
https://www.facebook.com/seiu26
They will be sorely missed, in a couple weeks or so. Then people will just have to walk their own garbage to the company dumpster.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#3 Feb 22, 2013
Don't mention the "30-40%" number is for the past losses and over 5 years, I'd hate to read honesty...
from you.
strike-vote-26.jpgMore than 500 janitors and security officers who clean and protect property for the richest corporations in Minnesota today voted to walk off the job over proposed cuts to full-time positions, living wages and health care and in protest of the employers' unfair labor practices. Today's vote authorizing both the janitors' and security officers' bargaining committees to call for a strike if necessary means that workers representing more than 6,000 janitors throughout Minneapolis, St. Paul and the suburbs could call for a strike at any time.
"If my job was cut to part-time, it would be like suicide," said Brahim Kone, a janitor at Flint Hills refinery. "I make just enough money now to pay the bills for my wife and my two children. I fear if my wages were cut, I would lose my home. We can not accept cuts that move us backward and push us into poverty - we must move forward."
"We need access to health care that covers our families," said Gene Worley, a security officer at Town Square in downtown St. Paul. "I'm not asking for free health care, just something I can afford which covers my family would help. Real family coverage - employee, spouse, children. "
Despite months of bargaining, employers continue giving workers the runaround, bargaining in bad faith, refusing to show up to negotiations and offering proposals full of cuts. Security contractors have proposed moving hundreds of positions to part-time, eliminating all benefits and access to health care. Janitorial contractors are proposing cuts to more than 50 percent of janitors, with cuts as high as 40 percent for many members. For many workers, health coverage for their family would cost around $700 a month.
"Without access to affordable family health insurance, I have to ask the state to get my family on a public health plan," said Alfredo Estrada, a janitor at the Minnesota Center. "I don't want to have to ask the state to support my family; I would like to care for my family myself. "
"As a janitor, I work around a lot of strong chemicals, so health insurance is really important," said Kone. "But I need better healthcare for my family. Right now, I can't afford to pay for family insurance through my employer. I would give them my whole check for that!"
The average full-time janitor qualifies for public assistance, including health care programs, due to wages just above the poverty line and a lack of access to affordable health care.
"When the rich, corporate elite shirk their responsibility that they have had to provide health care, the burden falls on the public," said Javier Morillo, President of SEIU Local 26. "This is just another example of the richest corporations refusing to pay their fair share and asking the taxpayers to subsidize the costs of doing business. These workers clean and protect the wealthiest corporations like Target, Wells Fargo and US Bank, yet they're too poor to even shop at Target or have money for a savings account with Wells Fargo or US Bank."
U.S. Representative Keith Ellison joined members and an array of labor, community and religious leaders to call for employers to help workers move forward through living wages.
All of us together can be powerful if we insist on dignity," said Congressman Ellison, "if we stand together, and if we fight for working families here in solidarity with workers everywhere."
CTUL, a workers center that supports non-union workers in retail stores also showed their support for Local 26 members.
"You clean and protect the office towers, the headquarters for the corporate elite," said Veronica Mendez. "Our members are cleaning the retail stores for those same companies. Target will continue to use us against one another unless we are willing to stand together. Today we say to you - as you prepare to strike, we are prepared to stand with you. Together, we will unlock a better future."
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#4 Feb 22, 2013
I guess the local Servicemaster franchises are going to be really busy.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#5 Feb 22, 2013
I guess, you really know very little....

What happened to your consideration, for the poor/smoker workers, hypocrite ??? LMAOROTFU~

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#6 Feb 22, 2013
non-starter wrote:
I guess the local Servicemaster franchises are going to be really busy.
As always, the plagiarized copy/past content posted by the low information, no integrity poster is completely invalid specifically because it was plagiarized with no credit given to the real author(s). So we can all ignore it.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#7 Feb 22, 2013
Nice rules, wanna show me the topix version or are you an owner of the site, senile trashyliar ???
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#9 Feb 22, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
I guess, you really know very little....
What happened to your consideration, for the poor/smoker workers, hypocrite ??? LMAOROTFU~
Love your flawed logic slewche.

A = B and C = D, so A = D. Great logic on your part again slewche, but par for your aptitude.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#10 Feb 22, 2013
Don't mention the "30-40%" number is for the past losses and over 5 years, I'd hate to read honesty... From YOU BOTH !!!
More than 500 janitors and security officers who clean and protect property for the richest corporations in Minnesota today voted to walk off the job over proposed cuts to full-time positions, living wages and health care and in protest of the employers' unfair labor practices. Today's vote authorizing both the janitors' and security officers' bargaining committees to call for a strike if necessary means that workers representing more than 6,000 janitors throughout Minneapolis, St. Paul and the suburbs could call for a strike at any time.
"If my job was cut to part-time, it would be like suicide," said Brahim Kone, a janitor at Flint Hills refinery. "I make just enough money now to pay the bills for my wife and my two children. I fear if my wages were cut, I would lose my home. We can not accept cuts that move us backward and push us into poverty - we must move forward."
"We need access to health care that covers our families," said Gene Worley, a security officer at Town Square in downtown St. Paul. "I'm not asking for free health care, just something I can afford which covers my family would help. Real family coverage - employee, spouse, children. "
Despite months of bargaining, employers continue giving workers the runaround, bargaining in bad faith, refusing to show up to negotiations and offering proposals full of cuts. Security contractors have proposed moving hundreds of positions to part-time, eliminating all benefits and access to health care. Janitorial contractors are proposing cuts to more than 50 percent of janitors, with cuts as high as 40 percent for many members. For many workers, health coverage for their family would cost around $700 a month.
"Without access to affordable family health insurance, I have to ask the state to get my family on a public health plan," said Alfredo Estrada, a janitor at the Minnesota Center. "I don't want to have to ask the state to support my family; I would like to care for my family myself. "
"As a janitor, I work around a lot of strong chemicals, so health insurance is really important," said Kone. "But I need better healthcare for my family. Right now, I can't afford to pay for family insurance through my employer. I would give them my whole check for that!"
The average full-time janitor qualifies for public assistance, including health care programs, due to wages just above the poverty line and a lack of access to affordable health care.
"When the rich, corporate elite shirk their responsibility that they have had to provide health care, the burden falls on the public," said Javier Morillo, President of SEIU Local 26. "This is just another example of the richest corporations refusing to pay their fair share and asking the taxpayers to subsidize the costs of doing business. These workers clean and protect the wealthiest corporations like Target, Wells Fargo and US Bank, yet they're too poor to even shop at Target or have money for a savings account with Wells Fargo or US Bank."
U.S. Representative Keith Ellison joined members and an array of labor, community and religious leaders to call for employers to help workers move forward through living wages.
All of us together can be powerful if we insist on dignity," said Congressman Ellison, "if we stand together, and if we fight for working families here in solidarity with workers everywhere."
CTUL, a workers center that supports non-union workers in retail stores also showed their support for Local 26 members.
"You clean and protect the office towers, the headquarters for the corporate elite," said Veronica Mendez. "Our members are cleaning the retail stores for those same companies. Target will continue to use us against one another unless we are willing to stand together. Today we say to you - as you prepare to strike, we are prepared to stand with you. Together, we will unlock a better future."

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#11 Feb 22, 2013
non-starter wrote:
I guess the local Servicemaster franchises are going to be really busy.
I some smaller offices, folks will mop their own floors and clean their own toilets. It's not that difficult to do. Good people will team up or take turns to make sure their offices stay presentable. Unskilled labor is called that for a reason.
Someday soon, the robots will take over those jobs. Oh wait! They already are. Think, Roomba.

There is probably already a version for small offices, warehouses, storage facilities and work areas.

The union has better consider using some of that dues money to start retraining their members soon.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#12 Feb 22, 2013
"I some smaller offices,.."

If you're making it up, try harder... In fact, hire someone who can last 1/2 day, rather than 2 hours 15 minutes, then pretend a higher paid professional is cheaper, THAT'S incredibly ignorant !!!
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#14 Feb 22, 2013
You claim I wiped you ? Heck, you'd run, like you did with red....

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#15 Feb 22, 2013
cantmakeitup wrote:
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As always, the plagiarized copy/past content posted by the low information, no integrity poster is completely invalid specifically because it was plagiarized with no credit given to the real author(s). So we can all ignore it.
Plagiarism Law & Legal Definition

Plagiarism is taking the writings or literary ideas of another and selling and/or publishing them as one's own writing. Brief quotes or use of cited sources do not constitute plagiarism. The original author can bring a lawsuit for appropriation of his/her work against the plagiarist and recover the profits. Although not normally a crime, a person who plagiarizes is subject to being sued for fraud or copyright infringement if prior creation can be proved. Penalties vary depending on jurisdiction, the charges brought, and are determined on a case by case basis.
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Any person violating the provisions of this section is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083."

http://definitions.uslegal.com/p/plagiarism/
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#16 Feb 22, 2013
Where did I claim they're my own, again ??

Oh right, you cannot prove anything, but want to make up rules, to stop your hemorrhaging ???

Poor multiple moniker moron, you're

SO DUMB, IT HERTZ !!!!
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#17 Feb 22, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
<quoted text>
.... recover the profits.
All profits are theirs ! LMAOROFU~!
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#18 Feb 22, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
<quoted text>
..recover the profits.
PROFITS ??? Are you INSANE ???

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#19 Feb 22, 2013
Back on topic...

This coming Sunday will be a red letter day in the life of all the janitors and security guards that are going out on strike. Congratulations to them!

This will force them to become educated, and/or skilled, in areas other than mopping floors and watching people sign Visitor Logs.

I hope they embrace this opportunity, better themselves, and learn that there really is a better life to be earned once they break the ties of being a slave to the union bosses.

Good luck to all of them.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#20 Feb 22, 2013
They're underpaid by the union bosses ??

I thought they were striking against the rich business owners ?

Got a cite to that ??? LMAOROTFu~!

Poor TrashyLiar, 2 hours and 15 minutes DOES NOT QUALIFY YOU TO COMMENT ON REAL WORK !!!
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#21 Feb 22, 2013
Looks like union is BETTERING YOURSELF !!!!!

Most of the retail store cleaners are paid $8 to $8.50 per hour, Payne said. For janitors represented by the SEIU working in downtown locations, the starting pay is near $13.50 per hour, he said.

Good for them, it's a START !!!
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#22 Feb 22, 2013
1.Unions lead to higher prices for consumers since companies must pay more for wages & benefits, which are then passed on to customers.
2.Unions make the country less competitive since non-unionized companies in India, China, Taiwan, etc. can pay workers far less and therefore charge less and/or assign more workers per unit of product.
3.Unions often prevent more qualified workers from getting the jobs. Less proficient workers are often protected from layoffs or firing; thus, new positions open less frequently.
4.Society and companies are often held hostage to the essential services of certain unions (e.g. teachers, police, construction workers, air traffic controllers, etc.); thus, negotiation becomes less about fairness to workers than about companies meeting the demands of union extortion.
5.The State and Federal labor/discrimination laws, the threats of lawsuits, and the avoidance of poor publicity all make unions largely unnecessary nowadays.
6.Unions lead to job losses to India, China, and other overseas companies. Non-union shops have a major cost advantage in hiring. Plus, in unionized companies, owners & managers may simply choose not to hire at all since the cost of maintaining or laying off a new employee is too great.
7.Unions have become a source of political power and corruption. Since unions can offer a large block of voters, politicians will often curry favor from unions and screw over the taxpayers. Consequently, union representatives concentrate on helping their favorite politicians and political party rather than doing what's best for the members.
8.It prevents the firing of clearly incompetent workers. Several poorly-performing teachers on tenure as well as most government workers are clear examples.
9.Unions lead to less productivity and job motivation since pay levels are usually determined by seniority rather than performance. The lack of incentives such as increased pay or promotion, as well as the lesser threat of losing their jobs, leads to workers putting out less effort than they otherwise would.
10.It creates an "us" vs. "them" hostility between ownership and workers.
11.Unions focus on the needs of the members at the expense of non-union members & society, as evidenced by labor unrest all over the world as governments try to rein in unsustainable spending.
12.For many types of jobs, union membership is required for the position, along with substantial cash dues on a regular basis. This is inherently anti-freedom.
13.It decreases the flexibility of both employee and employer in negotiating wages, benefits, and other items. Especially with the technological advances of today and multi-working families, employees often want to customize work hours & location, fringe benefits (e.g. more vacation time, no health insurance), and pay (e.g. per hour or per project vs. salaried). Unions tie the hands of both employee and employer in such situations.
14.Unions have in the past had ties with organized crime or communist organizations, which are fundamentally trying to harm the nation's free market system.
15.Unions reduce the investment dollars that are put into a company since investors are less willing to take on the risks of work stoppages, higher costs, decreased management flexibility, etc.
16.All employees have one bargaining chip that never requires a union--they can quit and go work somewhere else.

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