Colorado lawmakers want gun owners ex...
Maxamillion

Minneapolis, MN

#41 Feb 6, 2013
cantmakeitup wrote:
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You're blaming the gun owner for the criminal acts of someone else. Breaking and entering, burglary, felony theft and whatever other crimes they commit after they get the guns. By that line of flawed logic, if someone breaks in to your locked car, steals it, then goes out and uses it as a getaway car in an armed robbery and kills a few bank guards in the process, and runs down a couple of pedestrians, you should be held liable and subject to criminal and civil action.
Agreed.

Especially IF the stolen car is operated at 120 MPH and kills a busload of kids.

There is NO NEED to manufacture, distribute, sell, allow to be purchased cars that exceed the speed limit.

Yet you can buy a Dodge Viper that goes 180 MPH and capable of killing many kids.

OR you can buy a Corvette that goes 190 MPH, from Obama's Government Motors car company, capable of killing hundreds of kids.

No different than a high capacity magazine, limted use but higher risk.

Put up or shut up!!!
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#42 Feb 6, 2013
Should I tell you what the word spelling means ??? I like to help the unfortunate...

Read it again, it holds gun owner responsible... something gun owners should want, being responsible for so many killings....

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#43 Feb 6, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
Cars and guns are different. The car owner has insurance and if the car's properly locked, they're covered... Oddly, you want society to pay for your habits ??? Geez, you WANT more taxes, huh ?
you ASSUME that the car owner has insurance. there are a major portion of drivers without insurance.
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as for them being different. in some ways yes. in other ways, no.
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they are both inanimate objects. both can be locked up. but even then they both can be stolen.
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they are also both tools. each with its own purpose and usage.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#44 Feb 6, 2013
Sensible Gun Laws wrote:
Colorado lawmakers want gun owners exposed to civil liability
Source: Reuters
DENVER - Owners and makers of assault-style weapons would face civil liability under a package of measures unveiled on Tuesday by top lawmakers in Colorado, a state shaken by some of the deadliest shootings in U.S. history.
The bills, introduced by Democrats who control the state legislature, could push Colorado to the forefront of a national gun control debate reignited by several mass shootings last year, including massacres of schoolchildren in Newtown, Connecticut, and moviegoers in suburban Denver.
Other states such as New York have moved to further restrict military-style assault weapons. But if the measures become law, Colorado would hold owners, manufacturers and distributors of firearms more accountable for gun violence.
Owners of semi-automatic rifles would be subject to strict liability for civil damages caused by their weapons, and state statutes that shield manufacturers, importers and dealers from such liability would be lifted.
Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/06/us-...
impossible.
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that would be if ANYTHING got stolen. the legal owner could be held responsible. even if that item WAS locked up. and or hidden from plain sight. all the criminal would have to say, "it was in plain sight." if and when they were caught with the weapon.
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it would be like charging the homeowner if their knives got stolen. and then used to stab someone. even if the victim did not get killed via the stabbing.
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or someone left their bleach at their laundry area. and it got stolen and used to harm folks.
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the only person(s) that should be charged. is the thief who stole the weapon at the time. and the person who used it to commit a crime. as well as anyone who buys stolen property. reason I have a (s) for that. is that many of the weapons stolen end up with a fence. who turns around and sells it.
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#45 Feb 6, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
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you ASSUME that the car owner has insurance. there are a major portion of drivers without insurance.
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as for them being different. in some ways yes. in other ways, no.
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they are both inanimate objects. both can be locked up. but even then they both can be stolen.
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they are also both tools. each with its own purpose and usage.
In Washington, insurance is mandatory and whether you have it or not, you're responsible. Of course, we can discuss exceptions all day, if you're so inclined to miss the point. Ps- Grow up, posts like this are why crass targeted you.
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#46 Feb 6, 2013
Maxamillion wrote:
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Agreed.
Especially IF the stolen car is operated at 120 MPH and kills a busload of kids.
There is NO NEED to manufacture, distribute, sell, allow to be purchased cars that exceed the speed limit.
Yet you can buy a Dodge Viper that goes 180 MPH and capable of killing many kids.
OR you can buy a Corvette that goes 190 MPH, from Obama's Government Motors car company, capable of killing hundreds of kids.
No different than a high capacity magazine, limted use but higher risk.
Put up or shut up!!!
I like folks who pretend the exceptions are the rules... An argument similar to reductio ad absurdum often seen in polemical debate is the straw man logical fallacy. A straw man argument attempts to refute a given proposition by showing that a slightly different or inaccurate form of the proposition (the "straw man") is absurd or ridiculous, relying on the audience not to notice that the argument does not actually apply to the original proposition.....

Cars aren't guns and few folks drive 180mph Corvettes.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#47 Feb 6, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
<quoted text>In Washington, insurance is mandatory and whether you have it or not, you're responsible. Of course, we can discuss exceptions all day, if you're so inclined to miss the point. Ps- Grow up, posts like this are why crass targeted you.
it is also mandatory in Minnesota. but many folks were found not to carry it for various reasons.
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depending on the state. as many as one in five drivers do not carry auto insurance. even when it is mandatory in that state. and with the way obamanomics is going. more and more are having to choose between car insurance and food on the table. so the numbers of uninsured drivers are going to rise.
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here, the car is in my name. but the only insured driver is my husband.
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#48 Feb 6, 2013
So, you have no point, but are lonely, huh ?
Maxamillion

Minneapolis, MN

#49 Feb 6, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
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it is also mandatory in Minnesota. but many folks were found not to carry it for various reasons.
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depending on the state. as many as one in five drivers do not carry auto insurance. even when it is mandatory in that state. and with the way obamanomics is going. more and more are having to choose between car insurance and food on the table. so the numbers of uninsured drivers are going to rise.
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here, the car is in my name. but the only insured driver is my husband.
There are those idiots who think if Government passes a law mandating something that everyone follows the law.

EXCEPT criminals ignore the law!!

Criminals couldn't care less if insurance is mandatory, it's illegal to shoot someone, it's illegal to steal from others, is't illegal to drive without insurance..

Criminals don't care!!

And Libertards don't understand that.. Guess Libertards are just stupid or ignorant..
Sangelia Translation

Saint Paul, MN

#50 Feb 6, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
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it is also mandatory in Minnesota. but many folks were found not to carry it for various reasons.
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depending on the state. as many as one in five drivers do not carry auto insurance. even when it is mandatory in that state. and with the way obamanomics is going. more and more are having to choose between car insurance and food on the table. so the numbers of uninsured drivers are going to rise.
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here, the car is in my name. but the only insured driver is my husband.
In English:

I drive without insurance because I am a bad driver and have had accidents and tickets and my insurance would be too expensive for me.

So rather than rely on public transportation I break the law and drive without insurance because the laws do not apply to me - I get to choose what laws I follow and what laws I break.

Besides, if I have an accident your uninsured vehicle coverage will apy for your damages (never mind that everyone else's insurance goes up to pay for my accident then).
The Truth

Saint Paul, MN

#51 Feb 6, 2013
Maxamillion wrote:
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There are those idiots who think if Government passes a law mandating something that everyone follows the law.
EXCEPT criminals ignore the law!!
Criminals couldn't care less if insurance is mandatory, it's illegal to shoot someone, it's illegal to steal from others, is't illegal to drive without insurance..
Criminals don't care!!
And Libertards don't understand that.. Guess Libertards are just stupid or ignorant..
Criminals - including Sangelia - need to be held responsible and punished for violating the law.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#52 Feb 6, 2013
Maxamillion wrote:
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There are those idiots who think if Government passes a law mandating something that everyone follows the law.
EXCEPT criminals ignore the law!!
Criminals couldn't care less if insurance is mandatory, it's illegal to shoot someone, it's illegal to steal from others, is't illegal to drive without insurance..
Criminals don't care!!
And Libertards don't understand that.. Guess Libertards are just stupid or ignorant..
I agree.
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these are the same idiots who think that it is ok for some criminal to sue the homeowner if the criminal gets injured on the property of the homeowner. especially if the homeowner is defending their property.
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or that they were not allowed to take the property from the property owner.
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just like my late ex-father in law who chewed out the store that caught one of my ex-brother-in-laws shoplifting. he was mad at the store for catching his lil boy in the act of stealing. by the way, my ex in laws are democrats.
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#53 Feb 6, 2013
Maxamillion wrote:
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There are those idiots who think if Government passes a law mandating something that everyone follows the law.
EXCEPT criminals ignore the law!!
Criminals couldn't care less if insurance is mandatory, it's illegal to shoot someone, it's illegal to steal from others, is't illegal to drive without insurance..
Criminals don't care!!
And Libertards don't understand that.. Guess Libertards are just stupid or ignorant..
As far as the argument that criminals don't obey laws reductio ad absurdem would then dictate that we should make murder legal because, after all, criminals will murder people whether or not it is legal.

Complete nauseating silliness....

We make laws and WHEN criminals fail to follow them, we can take action... Try to keep up, I know you're impaired.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#54 Feb 6, 2013
Maxamillion wrote:
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Agreed.
Especially IF the stolen car is operated at 120 MPH and kills a busload of kids.
There is NO NEED to manufacture, distribute, sell, allow to be purchased cars that exceed the speed limit.
Yet you can buy a Dodge Viper that goes 180 MPH and capable of killing many kids.
OR you can buy a Corvette that goes 190 MPH, from Obama's Government Motors car company, capable of killing hundreds of kids.
No different than a high capacity magazine, limted use but higher risk.
Put up or shut up!!!
notice how some idiots assume that I drive the car that is in my name.
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#55 Feb 6, 2013
Notice how the car's in your name, for no reasonable purpose.... Yep, you're odd and need attention.
Maxamillion

Minneapolis, MN

#56 Feb 6, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
<quoted text>As far as the argument that criminals don't obey laws reductio ad absurdem would then dictate that we should make murder legal because, after all, criminals will murder people whether or not it is legal.
Complete nauseating silliness....
We make laws and WHEN criminals fail to follow them, we can take action... Try to keep up, I know you're impaired.
My position:

Criminals hurting others with ANY weapon should be executed.
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#57 Feb 6, 2013
Your positions are always moronic....

Kid shot a friend with a BB gun, you'd execute him.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#58 Feb 6, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
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You should fire him immediately!
Mine said that a month ago. And I have been making killings in the stock market ever since. Those Dojo Dollars are magical.
I will be happy to introduce you to my guy if you wish. Then you can be ahead of the curve, just like the Sludge is.
Your right, but it is my brother in law!! OK Your right, He is fired, I mean how could he miss on DOJO bucks Damn him anyway!
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#59 Feb 6, 2013
Guy can't spell financial, but claims to have a business degree ??? Sure, old coward..

Keep running away and "behaving" like a 3rd grader, senile COWARD ~! LMAOROTFU~!

SO, you visit my city frequently, but couldn't make a dojo meeting UNTIL YOUR BALLS DESCEND ?? Funny, you've been claiming you left, but now you're just ALWAYS frightened, huh ??? LMAOROTFU~!

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#60 Feb 6, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
Notice how the car's in your name, for no reasonable purpose.... Yep, you're odd and need attention.
I bought the car years before getting married to my husband. same goes for my house here.
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best never to assume that the owner of a car is the one who drives it. a person might have one or more reasons why not to drive the car(s) they own.

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