What can be done about the Koch broth...

What can be done about the Koch brothers (and their ilk)?

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Lowell

Minneapolis, MN

#1 Jan 1, 2013
If you're doing me the honor of reading this, you're presumably a regular on the progressive blogosphere, and I don't have to explain to you what the noxious right-wing billionaires David and Charles Koch are all about. Bilious disgust almost certainly rose in your gorge at the mere sight of the name.(If you'd like some kind of overview, anyway, here you go.)
What, if anything, can be done to neutralize their efforts to create a full-blown capitalist dictatorship? It's important to understand that to creeps like those two, it isn't just about cynical greed and powermongering; they honestly see themselves as the last righteous bulwark against the accelerating American plunge to homosexual communist hippie atheism.

Possibilities:
1. Bring them down financially. Efforts to organize a boycott of products produced by Koch-controlled companies have in fact been undertaken. They haven't worked. Their holdings are just too huge and too widespread. I'm not suggesting that you shouldn't consider trying it anyway; I avoid anything associated with them, except PBS.(Perhaps you too have noted that the David Koch Foundation is an underwriter of, I believe, the Nova series; it's announced, at the beginning of every episode. It seems like you just can't entirely escape those f**kers.)

2. Effective criminal prosecution. There can be little doubt that the Kochs have broken the law many times, in both their corporate and political activities. There is also no doubt that the laws that they've broken have gone largely unenforced in this country, for decades now. I'm an Obama supporter, on the whole, but I have plenty of beefs, and #1 is his refusal to prosecute flagrant corporate and political criminality, particularly regarding the crime against humanity that is the Iraq War. I'm aware of his explanations, about "looking forward, not back" and "we can't govern out of anger." I also know that convictions would be hard to come by, with the sorts of lawyers these people can afford, performing for a largely conservative judiciary. I'd go for it anyway, but it just so happens that I don't have the president's ear.

3. As I see it, our best bet is continued progress toward real progressive legislative, executive, and judicial governance. I know that that has been an infuriatingly slow, halting, frustrating endeavor, even with a populace that is, despite the efforts of the likes of the Kochs, increasingly knowledgeable, and therefore increasingly contemptuous of all things conservative. That's going to take a long time. Believe me, I wish I had a quicker fix, and I'm open to suggestions.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#2 Jan 1, 2013
Lowell wrote:
If you're doing me the honor of reading this, you're presumably a regular on the progressive blogosphere, and I don't have to explain to you what the noxious right-wing billionaires David and Charles Koch are all about. Bilious disgust almost certainly rose in your gorge at the mere sight of the name.(If you'd like some kind of overview, anyway, here you go.)
What, if anything, can be done to neutralize their efforts to create a full-blown capitalist dictatorship? It's important to understand that to creeps like those two, it isn't just about cynical greed and powermongering; they honestly see themselves as the last righteous bulwark against the accelerating American plunge to homosexual communist hippie atheism.
Possibilities:
1. Bring them down financially. Efforts to organize a boycott of products produced by Koch-controlled companies have in fact been undertaken. They haven't worked. Their holdings are just too huge and too widespread. I'm not suggesting that you shouldn't consider trying it anyway; I avoid anything associated with them, except PBS.(Perhaps you too have noted that the David Koch Foundation is an underwriter of, I believe, the Nova series; it's announced, at the beginning of every episode. It seems like you just can't entirely escape those f**kers.)
2. Effective criminal prosecution. There can be little doubt that the Kochs have broken the law many times, in both their corporate and political activities. There is also no doubt that the laws that they've broken have gone largely unenforced in this country, for decades now. I'm an Obama supporter, on the whole, but I have plenty of beefs, and #1 is his refusal to prosecute flagrant corporate and political criminality, particularly regarding the crime against humanity that is the Iraq War. I'm aware of his explanations, about "looking forward, not back" and "we can't govern out of anger." I also know that convictions would be hard to come by, with the sorts of lawyers these people can afford, performing for a largely conservative judiciary. I'd go for it anyway, but it just so happens that I don't have the president's ear.
3. As I see it, our best bet is continued progress toward real progressive legislative, executive, and judicial governance. I know that that has been an infuriatingly slow, halting, frustrating endeavor, even with a populace that is, despite the efforts of the likes of the Kochs, increasingly knowledgeable, and therefore increasingly contemptuous of all things conservative. That's going to take a long time. Believe me, I wish I had a quicker fix, and I'm open to suggestions.
You could start by proving the Koch brothers broke some laws. Your point 2 is invalidated until you do. I think you should boycott NOVA and PBS too.
Robert

Lees Summit, MO

#3 Jan 1, 2013
How many people again do they employ? Taking away Koch Industries would hurt hundreds of thousands of people not in the top 1%. Such idiots. Are you going to but that smart car with built in trailer to haul around your portable windmill so your car can power itself? Take away the Kochs and oil prices go way up. Asphalt costs more, concrete costs more, sheetrock cost more. Etc. etc.. Without these low cost products no more free section 8 housing for the welfare class like yourself.
Sam Segal

United States

#4 Jan 1, 2013
If you go to the theatre, art museums, orchestras, or enjoy any of the arts, you are taking advantage of the Kochs' largess since they give millions to these organizations every year.
But if you are just an ignorant, jealous little libtard loser, by all means, get your boycott on! LOL
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#5 Jan 1, 2013
I like pretend donations, taken from workers paychecks... Thanks for paying for your opera, while you cut union worker's pay.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#6 Jan 1, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
I like pretend donations, taken from workers paychecks...
See, was that so hard to admit the main function of the union in America today?
Robert

Lees Summit, MO

#7 Jan 1, 2013
Workers who work for the Koch brothers are upper middle class. Cut is not in their vocabulary. Oil and Gas workers are the highest paid middle class in the country. Don't feel sorry for them.
Capt Crunch

Phoenix, AZ

#8 Jan 1, 2013
The Kock Bros are the scourge of America.
Capt Crunch

Sedona, AZ

#9 Jan 1, 2013
Capt Crunch wrote:
The Kock Bros are the scourge of America.
What? You say that scourge is not the same as a blessing? Well, excuuuuuse me, I f###cked up again.
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#10 Jan 1, 2013
non-starter wrote:
<quoted text>See, was that so hard to admit the main function of the union in America today?
It's the main function of management, but you're broke & dumb scum...
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#11 Jan 1, 2013
From your post ......"I like pretend donations, taken from workers paychecks...".

Management doesn't take pretend donations, only the union gets to do that. Management is prohibited by law from taking things out of the worker's checks unless it is approved by the worker. Only the union can take money from a paycheck without specific worker approval.
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#12 Jan 1, 2013
Re. the Koch bros....DUMMY ~

I like pretend donations, taken from workers paychecks... Thanks for paying for your opera, while you cut union worker's pay....
Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#13 Jan 1, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
<quoted text>It's the main function of management, but you're broke & dumb scum...
Sociopath,

Maybe it is time to enter the Last Phase and stop the abuse. You would not want God to see who you are just before you "Go to the Light"!

Do not fear that YOUR Eternity will be Horrific!
Consistent

Minneapolis, MN

#15 Jan 1, 2013
Remember when you ran away and I got on my knees and begged you not to leave because I'd go berzerk? Well, you left me anyhow and the days got worse and worse and now you see I've gone completely out of my mind.

And They're coming to take me away Ha Ha They're coming to take me away ho ho he he ha ha to the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time, and I'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they're coming to take me away ha ha

You thought it was joke and so you laughed, you laughed when I had said that losing you would make me flip my lid, right? You know you laughed, I heard you laugh, you laughed, you laughed and laughed and then you left, but now you know I'm utterly mad.

And they're coming to take me away Ha Ha They're coming to take me away ho ho he he ha ha To the happy home with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes They're coming to take me away ha ha...

I cooked your food, I cleaned your house, and this is how you paid me back for all my kind unselfish loving deeds. Huh? Well you just wait they'll find you yet, and when they do they'll put you in the ASPCA you mangy mutt.

And They're coming to take me away Ha Ha They're coming to take me away ho ho he he ha ha To the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time and I'll be happy to see those nice men in their clean white coats They're coming to take me away Ha Ha To the happy home with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket weavers who sit and smile and twiddle thier thumbs and toes They're coming to take me away Ha Ha Ha

Your home the one the bank foreclosed, You cried to me Monogamy is the way we both must live or you'll feel hurt. But, I see, I see there's someone new, your anxious poly-pure-bred coat was even gone at our place while I paid the rent, thanks!

And They're coming to take me away Ha Ha They're coming to take me away ho ho he he ha ha To the loony bin with all you can eat perscription drugs like torizine, and lithium, and electric shock and insulin They're coming to take me away Ha Ha
Capt Crunch

Glendale, AZ

#16 Jan 1, 2013
Consistent wrote:
Remember when you ran away and I got on my knees and begged you not to leave because I'd go berzerk? Well, you left me anyhow and the days got worse and worse and now you see I've gone completely out of my mind.
And They're coming to take me away Ha Ha They're coming to take me away ho ho he he ha ha to the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time, and I'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they're coming to take me away ha ha
You thought it was joke and so you laughed, you laughed when I had said that losing you would make me flip my lid, right? You know you laughed, I heard you laugh, you laughed, you laughed and laughed and then you left, but now you know I'm utterly mad.
And they're coming to take me away Ha Ha They're coming to take me away ho ho he he ha ha To the happy home with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes They're coming to take me away ha ha...
I cooked your food, I cleaned your house, and this is how you paid me back for all my kind unselfish loving deeds. Huh? Well you just wait they'll find you yet, and when they do they'll put you in the ASPCA you mangy mutt.
And They're coming to take me away Ha Ha They're coming to take me away ho ho he he ha ha To the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time and I'll be happy to see those nice men in their clean white coats They're coming to take me away Ha Ha To the happy home with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket weavers who sit and smile and twiddle thier thumbs and toes They're coming to take me away Ha Ha Ha
Your home the one the bank foreclosed, You cried to me Monogamy is the way we both must live or you'll feel hurt. But, I see, I see there's someone new, your anxious poly-pure-bred coat was even gone at our place while I paid the rent, thanks!
And They're coming to take me away Ha Ha They're coming to take me away ho ho he he ha ha To the loony bin with all you can eat perscription drugs like torizine, and lithium, and electric shock and insulin They're coming to take me away Ha Ha
And the sickness persists. How pitiful.
Wade Gustafson

Saint Paul, MN

#17 Jan 1, 2013
Their "ilk"? You're right. Something really needs to be done about George Soros.(The difference is that Soros made his money by stealing from tbe people on Wall Street while Koch emoyees thousands of oeople and actually manufactures products that we all use).
Consistent

Minneapolis, MN

#18 Jan 2, 2013
blah blah blah Thorazine

blah blah blah Demokrats

blah blah blah pyscho

blah blah blah Phillips vodka

blah blah blah Romney 54 % Obama 46%

blah blah blah right wing extremist rant

blah blah blah your mother

blah blah blah get the fauch away

blah blah blah more Phillips vodka

blah blah blah letter K

blah blah blah more fringe rant

blah blah blah going to pass out now
Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#19 Jan 2, 2013
Consistent wrote:
blah blah blah Thorazine
blah blah blah Demokrats
blah blah blah pyscho
blah blah blah Phillips vodka
blah blah blah Romney 54 % Obama 46%
blah blah blah right wing extremist rant
blah blah blah your mother
blah blah blah get the fauch away
blah blah blah more Phillips vodka
blah blah blah letter K
blah blah blah more fringe rant
blah blah blah going to pass out now
Genetic Mutant,

Lemme suggest a way for you to be able to get me out of that Defective Brain your Mom and Her Brother gave you from their Unholy Alliance.

An Inanimate Object delivered by the rapid conversion of a solid to a gas, properly located near soft tissue, and activated by your choice to correct your "feelings", will alleviate the pain that you feel when you cannot duck from the awful truth that my posts reveal to you willfully ignorant Sheeple.
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#20 Jan 2, 2013
Why bother with the truth, when you're a proven loser/liar... Poor child, I get free rent and your head is actually being USED ~! LMAOROFU~!
Demokrat Rules

Grantsburg, WI

#21 Jan 2, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
Why bother with the truth, when you're a proven loser/liar... Poor child, I get free rent and your head is actually being USED ~! LMAOROFU~!
Dangerous Sociopath,

As a poster that is either intoxicated or under medicated, why does it not bother you to come on here and post nothing but your "Projections" to other posters?

Everybody here knows how fauched up you are as a Defective Human Being. How come you and your Multiple Personalities are the only ones that consistently avoid ANY conversation that Threads are based on, and simply "work out your Mommy and Daddy issues" with strangers by "Projecting" yourself onto them with the variety of abuses you employ like a child on the Playground?

Do you "Feel" that nobody really knows what you are?

Your dangerous nature as a Psychopath needs to be addressed by Law Enforcement Professionals before you hurt others that may have the displeasure of contact with you outside your Fantasy World on Topix!

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