Penn Health System to stop hiring smo...
Bushwhacked

Seattle, WA

#22 Feb 20, 2013
"First They Came for the Jews"
By Pastor Niemoller

First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Arch on Larch

Saint Paul, MN

#23 Feb 20, 2013
Arch on Larch wrote:
I've smoked for over 65 years and look at me, healthy as a horse.
Oh, wait, that's right, I'm dead.
Bushwhacked

Seattle, WA

#24 Feb 20, 2013
non-starter wrote:
<quoted text>I don't hate anyone, not even the slewches among us. It is the Democrats that hate the poor, by giving them a sub-standard living and not making them work for what they earn. Give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach him to fish and he can feed his family.
If anyone hates the poor, it is the group that attempts to reward the poor for doing nothing, reinforcing that you don't have to do anything for yourself, someone else will do it for you. Making the poor less employable by making discrimination against smokers in hiring OK just pushes them farther onto the public dole with less chance to get out.
Funny, you rail AGAINST EDUCATION, TOO !!!
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#25 Feb 20, 2013
Bushwhacked wrote:
<quoted text>Funny, you rail AGAINST EDUCATION, TOO !!!
No, just against unions protecting bad educators, paying themselves more and more for worse results than 50 years ago. If you can't and won't see that the unions are causing harm to our education system, it won't change your mind on here. If you as a person in poverty can't avail yourself of the educational opportunities available to all citizens and work hard in school, maybe you are institutionalized and unable to be reformed out of your semi-permanent underclass state, perpetuated by the Democratic party. But hey, by pandering to and growing that underclass, the Democrats get more and more voters. Win win for the Dems.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#26 Feb 20, 2013
Arch on Larch wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, wait, that's right, I'm dead.
But you still smell like cigarrettes.
Christingle Matthews

Saint Paul, MN

#27 Feb 20, 2013
I know 37 ways to kill a man using just a cigarette butt as a weapon.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#28 Feb 20, 2013
Getting back to the topic, this is blatant discrimination against about 20%-25% of the adult population for taking part in a completely legal act which is severely taxed to the tune of billions in revenue for state and federal governments.
Bushwhacked

Seattle, WA

#29 Feb 20, 2013
non-starter wrote:
<quoted text>No, just against unions protecting bad educators, paying themselves more and more for worse results than 50 years ago. If you can't and won't see that the unions are causing harm to our education system, it won't change your mind on here. If you as a person in poverty can't avail yourself of the educational opportunities available to all citizens and work hard in school, maybe you are institutionalized and unable to be reformed out of your semi-permanent underclass state, perpetuated by the Democratic party. But hey, by pandering to and growing that underclass, the Democrats get more and more voters. Win win for the Dems.
So, you're a moron, who complains, right ?? If you really cared, you'd volunteer your "experience", like changing quotes or misspelling "sevice".
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#30 Feb 20, 2013
cantmakeitup wrote:
Getting back to the topic, this is blatant discrimination against about 20%-25% of the adult population for taking part in a completely legal act which is severely taxed to the tune of billions in revenue for state and federal governments.
There may yet be a lawsuit on this hiring criteria.
Christingle Matthews

Saint Paul, MN

#31 Feb 20, 2013
cantmakeitup wrote:
Getting back to the topic, this is blatant discrimination against about 20%-25% of the adult population for taking part in a completely legal act which is severely taxed to the tune of billions in revenue for state and federal governments.
You are right, it should be more.
Christingle Matthews

Grantsburg, WI

#32 Feb 20, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
YOU just HAD to be a smelly smoker... As well as a liar, fool, misquoter, and lying pompous pr*ck.... Put lie in twice, you deserved it...
Evil Incarnate,

Spend less time here and more time in chanting to your Savior, Beelzebub!

He has created you, he understands you, and he has a "Special" Eternity for you......now git!
Christingle Matthews

Saint Paul, MN

#33 Feb 20, 2013
Tape Worm,

Lets try and stay on Today's Conisms.
Please address this latest revelations of yours.....

As long as your asking your Psych to tell us what your "Honey Trap" is (Oprah Winfrey Quote), maybe you can ask her to explain why you keep Projecting about;

"Yep, you're broke and are soliciting gay sex.." (Slewsie Quote)

Broke?

Soliciting?

Gay Sex?

Well so what if I am?

(Broke) I pride myself that I can pay Little BOI's?

(Soliciting) Are their Little BOI's that I can play with cash in the places you hang out?

(Gay Sex) Do the Little BOI's that visit me know what sex is?
Demokrat Sheeple

Grantsburg, WI

#34 Feb 20, 2013
Christingle Matthews wrote:
Tape Worm,
Lets try and stay on Today's Conisms.
Please address this latest revelations of yours.....
As long as your asking your Psych to tell us what your "Honey Trap" is (Oprah Winfrey Quote), maybe you can ask her to explain why you keep Projecting about;
"Yep, you're broke and are soliciting gay sex.." (Slewsie Quote)
Broke?
Soliciting?
Gay Sex?
Well so what if I am?
(Broke) I pride myself that I can pay Little BOI's?
(Soliciting) Are their Little BOI's that I can play with cash in the places you hang out?
(Gay Sex) Do the Little BOI's that visit me know what sex is?
Dangerous Sociopath 2,

Look I feel bad that you never found which stray dog it was from the Hood that Bred your Mommy. But it is not Society's Fault that you never had an adult to guide you, stop lashing out like the child you are!

This said, you do not do yourself any favors by hanging your supple gut out with this consistent cut/paste whenever one of the big Kids Frighten you.

Now go have a nice bath in Mommy's Tub,(Without Mommy this time!) and relax.....Git!
Awful Truth

Saint Paul, MN

#35 Feb 20, 2013
Tape Worm,

Lets try and stay on Today's Conisms.
Please address this latest revelations of yours.....

As long as your asking your Psych to tell us what your "Honey Trap" is (Oprah Winfrey Quote), maybe you can ask her to explain why you keep Projecting about;

"Yep, you're broke and are soliciting gay sex.." (Slewsie Quote)

Broke?

Soliciting?

Gay Sex?

Well so what if I am?

(Broke) I pride myself that I can pay Little BOI's?

(Soliciting) Are their Little BOI's that I can play with cash in the places you hang out?

(Gay Sex) Do the Little BOI's that visit me know what sex is?
Christingle Matthews

Saint Paul, MN

#37 Feb 20, 2013
Tape Worm,

Lets try and stay on Today's Conisms.
Please address this latest revelations of yours.....

As long as your asking your Psych to tell us what your "Honey Trap" is (Oprah Winfrey Quote), maybe you can ask her to explain why you keep Projecting about;

"Yep, you're broke and are soliciting gay sex.." (Smart Liberal Quote)

Broke?

Soliciting?

Gay Sex?

Well so what if I am?

(Broke) I pride myself that I can pay Little BOI's?

(Soliciting) Are their Little BOI's that I can play with cash in the places you hang out?

(Gay Sex) Do the Little BOI's that visit me know what sex is?
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#38 Feb 21, 2013
cantmakeitup wrote:
Getting back to the topic, this is blatant discrimination against about 20%-25% of the adult population for taking part in a completely legal act which is severely taxed to the tune of billions in revenue for state and federal governments.
Do they test for marijuana smoking too, or just tobacco?
baja K

Philadelphia, PA

#39 Feb 21, 2013
Penn Health (like other places pulling the same scheme)is still going to hire people exposed to health-damaging pesticides, dioxins, industrial and medical radiation, non-organic foods, asbestos, fracking chemicals, mercury in many things, junk foods, GMOs, exhaust fumes, emissions from household plastics and other synthetics, insufficiently-tested drugs, IMFs, toxins in food packaging, flame retardants, or...overall...anything from The Corporate Sector.

Yes, typical cigarettes come from big corporations, but look what Penn Health blames for their cost burdens. Not Philip Morris, Altria, RJR, et al, but instead A)the public domain natural tobacco plant and B) the primary victims of those cigarette makers who have, for many decades, with full approval from public officials, secretly poisoned and experimented upon smokers with hosts of unlabeled pesticide residues, untested non-tobacco additives, and radiation from certain fertilizers, dioxin-creating chlorine chemicals and chlorine-bleached paper, a heap of kid-attracting sweets etc, fire-causing burn accelerants, and many kinds of non-organic waste cellulose used to make Fake Tobacco.(A cig that isn't labeled as containing tobacco may not contain any tobacco at all. Ask Your "tobacco" provider. Good luck.)

The thing is....Penn Health and U of P itself is likely up to here in "generous donations" from the very parts of the cigarette industry that REALLY want to stay under the radar. They are...pharmaceutical firms that make tobacco pesticides and cigarette additives, pesticide makes in general, chlorine industries directly connected or not, agricultural interests (MANY cig additives), paper-pulp-logging, and top health insurers that invest Billions in cigarette manufacturing.
They ALL, understandably, prefer to Blame The Victims and to scapegoat the "sinful" natural tobacco plant. Search up "Fauxbacco" for references...even ignored stuff from the US govt itself.
One bottom line...Tobacco itself, without adulterants, hasn't yet been studied to find justification for any condemnation, bans, penalties or hiring restrictions. BUT...typical Pesticide Pegs, Dioxin Dowels, and Radiation Rods should be avoided, and mfgrs indicted.

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#40 Feb 21, 2013
Arch on Larch wrote:
I've smoked for over 65 years and look at me, healthy as a horse.
Dumbo, calling you a POS is a compliment compared to what you really are.
redeemer

Saint Paul, MN

#42 Feb 22, 2013
CRASSUS wrote:
<quoted text>So people smoke because they are low income? Is that why they drink and do drugs? Nicotine is a drug. These people are low income because they are weak and do not have the self-discipline to overcome addiction. The weak should be thinned from the herd. I can smell the stink of cigarettes from a block away. If a smoker feels they have the right to pollute my clean air, I feel I have the right to kick them in the teeth and put that cigarette out on their forehead. NO one should be able to tell a company who they can and cannot hire.
STFU Crackas your're addicted to drugs,gay sex and gay porn,and you're low income and a welfare moocher.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#43 Feb 22, 2013
Gallup poll, 2008 - Smoking % by income bracket

$6000 and under - 30%
$6000 -$12000 - 34%
$12000 -$24000 - 30%
$24000 -$36000 - 26%
$36000 -$48000 - 22%
$48000 -$60000 - 21%
$60000 -$90000 - 16%
$90000 -$120000- 13%
$120000 and up - 13%

You make the call which group of potential employees barring employment because of smoking will hurt the most.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105550/among-ameri...

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