Obama pro killing americans via Drones

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DSM Local

Ankeny, IA

#1 Feb 5, 2013
White House, Justice officials defend drone program after release of memo

The White House and Justice Department on Tuesday adamantly defended the administration's authority to use unmanned drones to kill terror operatives -- even if those operatives are U.S. citizens -- following the release of a controversial memo on the program.

President Obama's advisers are also trying to tamp down concerns about the targeted killings ahead of the confirmation hearing Thursday for CIA director nominee John Brennan -- the counterterrorism adviser and drone-program supporter who has come under criticism from Democrats.

Pressed repeatedly about the complicated constitutional and legal questions raised by the targeted killing of Americans, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Tuesday that the president takes those issues "very seriously."

But he noted that Al Qaeda is in a "state of war against us," and defended what he described as "targeted strikes against specific Al Qaeda terrorists."

"We conduct those strikes because they are necessary to mitigate ongoing actual threats, to stop plots, to prevent future attacks and to save American lives," Carney said. "These strikes are legal, they are ethical and they are wise."

Carney would not describe the legal criteria for ordering those drone strikes.

A Justice Department official, though, told Fox News there are at least three conditions that have to be met in order for a strike to be ordered -- there has to be an "imminent" threat, the target has to have engaged in terrorist activities, and the target has to be unable to be captured.

Separately, Attorney General Eric Holder said Tuesday that the government is "confident that we're doing so in a way that is consistent with federal and international law."

Under Obama, the U.S. drone program has ramped up dramatically since the George W. Bush administration. It has become one of the most important tools in the administration's counterterrorism campaign -- particularly in Pakistan, but also in the expanding fronts of the war against Al Qaeda and its affiliates.

Scrutiny of the program follows a 2011 drone strike in Yemen that killed two Americans -- Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan. It marked the first time an American citizen was targeted for death by a U.S. president and killed in a drone strike.

On Monday, a bipartisan group of 11 senators wrote a letter to Obama asking for "any and all legal opinions" that describe the basis for the authority to "deliberately kill American citizens."

The questions come in advance of Brennan's confirmation hearing Thursday before the Senate intelligence committee. Several of the authors of the drone letter sit on that committee. Obama's nominee for Defense secretary, Chuck Hagel, also had his confirmation hearing last week. The letter Monday made a blunt threat suggesting that withholding information on drones could imperil those nominations.

"The executive branch's cooperation on this matter will help avoid an unnecessary confrontation that could affect the Senate's consideration of nominees for national security positions," the senators wrote.

As the letter was released, a Justice Department document surfaced in news reports describing the administration's drone-attack authority.

As first reported Monday night by NBC News, the memo says it is legal for the government to kill U.S. citizens abroad if it believes they are senior Al Qaeda leaders continually engaged in operations aimed at killing Americans -- even if there is no intelligence pointing to an active plot against America.

The 16-page document says that delaying action against individuals continually planning to kill Americans would create an unacceptably high risk. It adds that the threat posed by Al Qaeda and its associated forces demands a broader concept of when a person continually planning terror attacks presents an imminent threat.
DSM Local

Ankeny, IA

#2 Feb 5, 2013
It's unclear whether that will satisfy lawmakers' concerns. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., chairwoman of the intelligence committee, said in a statement Tuesday that the document was already provided to the committee last year.

"The committee continues to seek the actual legal opinions by the Department of Justice that provide details not outlined in this particular white paper," she said. Feinstein was not among the senators who signed the letter to Obama Monday.

While Awlaki was considered a powerful terror operative for Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, he was never charged. In their letter Monday, the senators said they believe there are "circumstances" where a U.S. president can use "lethal force" against Americans who "choose to take up arms" against their country, "just as President Lincoln had the authority to direct Union troops to fire upon Confederate forces during the Civil War."

But they said "it is vitally important" for Congress and the public to understand how the administration interprets the limits on that power. They complained that the administration has ignored prior requests for legal opinions from the Justice Department.

Brennan, a vocal supporter of the drone program and other controversial counterterrorism tools dating back to the George W. Bush administration, is facing a level of criticism from Democrats that no other Obama nominee has encountered. Eight Democrats and three Republicans penned the letter to Obama Monday. One of them, Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., has previously pressed Brennan on the drone issue.

Another, Sen. Mark Udall, D-Colo., said last week he was "deeply disappointed" coming out of a meeting with Brennan. He claimed the White House counterterrorism adviser was "unprepared" to discuss a recent report on the CIA detention and interrogation program.

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“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#3 Feb 5, 2013
According to the White House, this can be done to US citizens you have not been charged or convicted in a Court of Law.
DSM Local

Ankeny, IA

#4 Feb 5, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
According to the White House, this can be done to US citizens you have not been charged or convicted in a Court of Law.
We can kill americans on foreign lands because they have lost their constitutional rights (supposedly) but foreign lobbies have first amendment rights and are free to interfere as they wish. Go figure.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#5 Feb 5, 2013
Some time ago, not really sure when but probably during the cold war period, decided that it was no longer subject to due process.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#6 Feb 5, 2013
That is, the government decided that it was no longer subject to that pesky due process thingy.
Full Truth

Grantsburg, WI

#7 Feb 5, 2013
One) Al Qaeda is not mentioned in the Document. "Enemies" are.

Two) One Mans terrorist is another mans Freedom Fighter. Mandela spent 25 years or so in prison for murdering people with Bombs, and his wife was still Murdering "Folk" about 7 years ago with the old Burning Tire around the Neck that is so Popular with the Peace Loving Africans that have destroyed Africa's Breadbasket by slaughtering the Productive Farmers (Does this sound familiar?).

Terrorists or Nobel Peace prize Winners?

3) Bush fauched it up! He should have known that the Defective Demokrats would get power back one day. The Patriot Act is the single source for all the Violations of Constitutional Rights that Barry Soetoro's Handlers commit daily. Some day YOU TOO may wear a South African Necktie as the Reparations paid cause the Bictims to feel empowered. Those drones do not know that you are a Patriot that sacrificed for your country....and the Totalitarianism Fascists of the Demokrat Party of Amerika hate you. You "Eminent Threat" You!
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#8 Feb 5, 2013
Gee, where to start ... LMAOROTFU~!

In your "reality", Americans are “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force" and the justice department is Obama ???

Sure, whatever "floats" a teabagger boat.... LMAOROTfu ~!

Ps- ALMOST as weak as Corvair "collecting"....
Full Truth

Grantsburg, WI

#9 Feb 5, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
Gee, where to start ... LMAOROTFU~!
In your "reality", Americans are “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force" and the justice department is Obama ???
Sure, whatever "floats" a teabagger boat.... LMAOROTfu ~!
Ps- ALMOST as weak as Corvair "collecting"....
Dearest Fauching Idiot,

READ!

There is not, and cannot be, the mention of specific types of individuals in the Law. FAUCH! it hurts me to reply to such an idiot!

Your Messiah needs to Drone your sorry azz!

YOU are a threat! If there is a possibility that you can Reproduce. I want a Law that says if YOU do, you can be Droned along with the Satan Spawn you spit out!

YOU are an Existential Threat!

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Chesapeake, VA

#11 Feb 7, 2013
“Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal.”
― Martin Luther King Jr.
redeemer

Saint Paul, MN

#12 Feb 7, 2013
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
“Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal.”
― Martin Luther King Jr.
Our you the product of a private or public education?
Bridgework

Lincoln, NE

#13 Feb 7, 2013
cantmakeitup wrote:
Some time ago, not really sure when but probably during the cold war period, decided that it was no longer subject to due process.
FDR started this in WW2.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#14 Feb 7, 2013
Gee, where to start ... LMAOROTFU~!

In your "reality", Americans are “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force" and the justice department is Obama ???

Sure, whatever "floats" a teabagger boat.... LMAOROTfu ~!

Ps- ALMOST as weak as Corvair "collecting"....

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#15 Feb 7, 2013
redeemer wrote:
<quoted text>Our you the product of a private or public education?
We do know that you certainly are the product of a public indoctrination.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#16 Feb 7, 2013
We know you're collage educated and they're tasteful, too... LMAOROFU~! Is it tough being broke ?
Amused Slew

Minneapolis, MN

#17 Feb 7, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
We know you're collage educated and they're tasteful, too... LMAOROFU~! Is it tough being broke ?
Slewsie, a bit of advice hun. Don't make fun of someone else's education when they are way smarter than you and you make spelling errors. That does not look so good when the Spell Check Queen of Topix makes errors like that.
Seattle Slew

Saint Paul, MN

#18 Feb 8, 2013
I hope some enterprizing Mooslim doesn't use a drone to off Obama. I guess it would be poetic justice in one sense.

I hope the SS has taken that into consideration.

SS means Secret Service NOT the German usage of SS.
redeemer

Saint Paul, MN

#19 Feb 8, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
<quoted text>
We do know that you certainly are the product of a public indoctrination.
WE know that you are too!
Full Truth

Grantsburg, WI

#20 Feb 8, 2013
Please note;

The "Obama Manifesto" on the Need to kill Americans that he "Feels" are an "Imminent Threat", does not mention America's Mortal Enemies the Muslims in General, or Al Qaeda in specific.

The King Rules with an Iron Fist!

(One of the benefits of a Nobel Peace Prize is the Unlimited Powers that the King now has to commit wars on all 6 of the countries he is Bombing in his "Wars of Choice")

Children, At one time in America there was a Profession called "Journalism". People that practiced this Profession did so based on a sense of morals that compelled them to act as a "Watchdog" over "The Power".(Demokrats Google "Journalism")
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#21 Feb 8, 2013
Gee, where to start ... LMAOROTFU~!
In your "reality", Americans are “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force" and the justice department is Obama ???
Sure, whatever "floats" a teabagger boat.... LMAOROTfu ~!
Ps- ALMOST as weak as Corvair "collecting"....

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