Global warming 'undeniable,' scientis...

Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

There are 35576 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 29, 2010, titled Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#23617 Feb 4, 2013
While you call posters dead, misspell, and write crazy... Thanks for picking your side, the crazier are clearly.."right".

YYes ?? Poor P-ppppenny...
Of course, I'm "postiong" dead, just like your Global Warming credibility.
If you REALLY want a laugh, imagine Penny putting all those "judging marks" up after we copy/paste posts....
Hi, Mistake a minute P-P-Penny,
How are Sheldon and Leonard...
Ps- Almost a moron, stick with it.
People say that you are the perfect idiot. I say that you are not perfect, but you are doing alright.
Ordinarily people live and learn. You just live

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#23618 Feb 4, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>The Earth is in balance, we are the fulcrum. If they didn't measure it, you wouldn't know it.
What do you want to do about it?
.
<quoted text>No, you worry the oceans will saturate, even Fair Game's experts say the oceans still absorb CO2, although more slowly.
.
<quoted text>None of this changes the facts, as liquids (like the oceans) warm, more gas comes out of solution and as a liquid cools, it can absorb more gas. That's why you can rinse suds out with cold water faster than with hot water.
If you consider carbon dioxide to be trash, leave our oceans alone, you don't know what's up. CO2 is a gas, we don't put it, we free it into the atmosphere, where it used to live. CO2 isn't trashy, it's the breath of life. The atmosphere is the perfect place, a perfect fit.
If you love plants, don't hate carbon dioxide.
Yes, the carbon we are adding to the atmosphere has been here all along. It was incorporated into plants & bacteria hundreds of millions of years ago. It used to live in the atmosphere.

Yes, CO2 was much higher in the atmosphere in the past, & it was much warmer on the earth in the past. These things are utterly beside the point, however.

Our culture, our agriculture & our infrastructure have developed during, & are adapted to, Holocene conditions, NOT Jurassic conditions. What was perfect for the dinosaurs is way, way too high for us.

Can we survive with much higher temps? Yes, some of us. But under Jurassic conditions, sea level would be ~75 meters higher. Central continents would dry out, so agriculturally suitable locations would be rarer & very different than they are now.

People might want to move north, especially to places like the northern third of Siberia - OOPS!!! The northern third of Siberia will be under water.

There is a 100.00000% chance this will happen if we keep emitting CO2 without restriction. It may take a few centuries, but it is guaranteed to happen.

We are doing a very, very dangerous experiment on the only home we have. Prudence alone should suggest decreasing carbon emissions, even if it's only an insurance policy against what MIGHT happen.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#23619 Feb 4, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
While you call posters dead, misspell, and write crazy... Thanks for picking your side, the crazier are clearly.."right".
YYes ?? Poor P-ppppenny...
Of course, I'm "postiong" dead, just like your Global Warming credibility.
If you REALLY want a laugh, imagine Penny putting all those "judging marks" up after we copy/paste posts....
Hi, Mistake a minute P-P-Penny,
How are Sheldon and Leonard...
Ps- Almost a moron, stick with it.
People say that you are the perfect idiot. I say that you are not perfect, but you are doing alright.
Ordinarily people live and learn. You just live
The dead admits its dead and still posting. Will the dead ever learn and live again? Almost maybe, but your there already.
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#23621 Feb 4, 2013
While you call posters dead, misspell, and write crazy... Thanks for picking your side, the crazier are clearly.."right".
YYes ?? Poor P-ppppenny...
Of course, I'm "postiong" dead, just like your Global Warming credibility.
If you REALLY want a laugh, imagine Penny putting all those "judging marks" up after we copy/paste posts....
Hi, Mistake a minute P-P-Penny,
How are Sheldon and Leonard...
Ps- Almost a moron, stick with it.
People say that you are the perfect idiot. I say that you are not perfect, but you are doing alright.
Ordinarily people live and learn. You just live
redeemer

Minneapolis, MN

#23622 Feb 4, 2013
You people are dumb.

Necessity is one of biggest contributor to innovation.

By the time earths resources are dried up.

We will be forced to look for alternative resources.

There's infinite amount of planets and solar systems.

We will just find a new way.
redeemer

Minneapolis, MN

#23623 Feb 4, 2013
Greed will cause shortages
Greed will supply innovations

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#23624 Feb 4, 2013
redeemer wrote:
You people are dumb.
Necessity is one of biggest contributor to innovation.
By the time earths resources are dried up.
We will be forced to look for alternative resources.
There's infinite amount of planets and solar systems.
We will just find a new way.
Yes, but the nearest new resources are mostly in the asteroid belt, & at this point, they're out of reach. We can't even mine the Helium-3 on the Moon. If we could, we'd have a much better chance of developing controlled fusion, with nearly unlimited energy.

At present, we're ceding this potential industry to the Chinese & Indians. Very, very foolish.

Interstellar travel is still far, far out of reach. If we mess up this planet, it will also dramatically reduce our capacity to explore our solar system for new resources, & make exploring other star systems nearly impossible.
redeemer

Minneapolis, MN

#23626 Feb 4, 2013
HomoSapiensLaptopicus wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, but the nearest new resources are mostly in the asteroid belt, & at this point, they're out of reach. We can't even mine the Helium-3 on the Moon. If we could, we'd have a much better chance of developing controlled fusion, with nearly unlimited energy.
At present, we're ceding this potential industry to the Chinese & Indians. Very, very foolish.
Interstellar travel is still far, far out of reach. If we mess up this planet, it will also dramatically reduce our capacity to explore our solar system for new resources, & make exploring other star systems nearly impossible.
There's a few billionaires that are starting a company to start mining asteroids. They have a fleet or have designs for a fleet.

Ill look for the link but its starting already.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#23627 Feb 4, 2013
redeemer wrote:
Greed will cause shortages
Greed will supply innovations
Perhaps. But before it does that, greed may also destroy this world, making it much more difficult to innovate & explore for new resources.

We are doing a very, very dangerous experiment on the only home we have. Prudence alone would dictate decreasing carbon emissions, even if it's only an insurance policy against what MIGHT happen.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#23629 Feb 4, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>The Earth is in balance, we are the fulcrum. If they didn't measure it, you wouldn't know it.
What do you want to do about it?

Actually they would know something is up because of the large number of sick and even dying coral reefs.
Here is the BBC.

'Alarming' plight of coral reefs

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7498502.stm

A third of the world's reef-building coral species are facing extinction.

That is the stark conclusion from the first global study to assess the extinction risks of corals.
Writing in the journal Science, researchers say climate change, coastal development, overfishing, and pollution are the major threats.

"But ocean acidification is a much more insidious thing. We don't know how bad it will be, but the evidence suggests it will be absolutely devastating, perhaps on the order of decades, perhaps on the order of years."

Ever hear we have a mercury problem in our fish? USGS traced it to our coal plants.

[QUOTE who="Brian_G"]<qu oted text>
No, you worry the oceans will saturate, even Fair Game's experts say the oceans still absorb CO2, although more slowly.

Actually what I have read is that climatologists do not agree on this point -- don't really know for sure.

[QUOTE who="Brian_G"]<qu oted text>
<quoted text>None of this changes the facts, as liquids (like the oceans) warm, more gas comes out of solution and as a liquid cools, it can absorb more gas. That's why you can rinse suds out with cold water faster than with hot water.
ARGO measurements show the ocean is definitely warming
Now their probes only go down to about 2 kilometers. Maybe the vast ody of ocean underneath is not warming. But it would not be cooling either.
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>
If you consider carbon dioxide to be trash, leave our oceans alone, you don't know what's up. CO2 is a gas, we don't put it, we free it into the atmosphere, where it used to live. CO2 isn't trashy, it's the breath of life. The atmosphere is the perfect place, a perfect fit.
Taken out of context.

Let me help you. With NO CO2, the Earth would be an icebox because it would be roughly 60 degrees F cooler. With NO CO2 there would be no plant life.

Ever hear of the children's story Goldilocks and the Three Bears?
I like being warm -- but not too hot; I also like cool, but not too cold.

It's best to be in the middle -- JUST RIGHT.

So, I like warm -- but too much would kill me. I like cool -- but too much would kill me too.

The connotation I meant was by sending up **too much CO2 ** we are trashing the planet, because too much will destroy civilization as we know it.

Our children deserve better than that. We are terrible stewards for their future. And they are going to figure that out when it happens in all its cruelty.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#23630 Feb 4, 2013
redeemer wrote:
You people are dumb.
Necessity is one of biggest contributor to innovation.
By the time earths resources are dried up.
We will be forced to look for alternative resources.
There's infinite amount of planets and solar systems.
We will just find a new way.
Er, have you checked out the time it takes just to get to Mars?

The total journey time from Earth to Mars takes between 150-300 days depending on the speed of the launch, the alignment of Earth and Mars, and the length of the journey the spacecraft takes to reach its target

Read more: http://www.universetoday.com/14841/how-long-d...

It grows exponentially after that.
SpaceBlues

United States

#23631 Feb 4, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>
Er, have you checked out the time it takes just to get to Mars?
The total journey time from Earth to Mars takes between 150-300 days depending on the speed of the launch, the alignment of Earth and Mars, and the length of the journey the spacecraft takes to reach its target
..
It grows exponentially after that.
Actually, no, it does not because there are no means to transport humans to Mars, deliver them alive, have supplies or habitat to stay there, and to bring them back after the visit.

So instead of present tense, one must use imaginary tense with "would."

It's like He-3 fusion tale. Not possible.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#23632 Feb 4, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, no, it does not because there are no means to transport humans to Mars, deliver them alive, have supplies or habitat to stay there, and to bring them back after the visit.
So instead of present tense, one must use imaginary tense with "would."
It's like He-3 fusion tale. Not possible.
Of course --But its the distance and time it takes to get there, that makes the rest of the items on your list impossible -- at least today.
SpaceBlues

United States

#23633 Feb 4, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course --But its the distance and time it takes to get there, that makes the rest of the items on your list impossible -- at least today.
Oh noes! The space environment is horrific to life as we know it. Some say it would "fry" the astronauts. But the space radiation is not the only problem, lack of custom gravity, light, food, company, water, etc etc. and the piling wastes for the top consideration.

You know how badly Mars compares with Earth as a human habitat.

We've got to accept this planet is wonderful for us as the home of our evolution.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#23634 Feb 4, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
While you call posters dead, misspell, and write crazy... Thanks for picking your side, the crazier are clearly.."right".
YYes ?? Poor P-ppppenny...
Of course, I'm "postiong" dead, just like your Global Warming credibility.
If you REALLY want a laugh, imagine Penny putting all those "judging marks" up after we copy/paste posts....
Hi, Mistake a minute P-P-Penny,
How are Sheldon and Leonard...
Ps- Almost a moron, stick with it.
People say that you are the perfect idiot. I say that you are not perfect, but you are doing alright.
Ordinarily people live and learn. You just live
The dead admits its dead and still posting. Will the dead ever learn and live again? Almost maybe, but your there already.

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#23635 Feb 4, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Global warming is wonderful. We should burn more fossil fuel, to keep warm. Let's all emit greenhouse gas like its going out of style. Live for today; when you die you can conserve; forever.
We being doing it for millions years and volcanoes been helping us too for billion of years!!!

Until the Liberals came to save us!!!!

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#23636 Feb 4, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>Er. Monica hit on Bill Clinton first. Nice try.

Shouldn't the poster boy for Repubs be Schwarzenegger and his maid?

I see you ingnored ALL the substance we posted.
seems titillating sex scandals is all your brain can muster.

Sad. You share this trait with PennyHD.
And Martin Trevon did not attack first cause Liberals are always the good guys, right?
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#23638 Feb 4, 2013
Yep, "your" a bright one, "theirs" no doubt ! LMAOROTFU~!....Penny Huge Dumb*ss ~!
no one no where

Claremont, CA

#23639 Feb 4, 2013
amazing how all these people crying about global warming is financially invested in the global warming cause but yet they don't thing they should practice what they preach...aka al "qatar" gore.
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#23641 Feb 4, 2013
One man isn't global warming, despite your need to make a mixed fruit pie...

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