Do Seneca Indians Have Special Rights...

Do Seneca Indians Have Special Rights in WNY

Created by Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh on May 7, 2013

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Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh

Chesapeake, VA

#1 May 7, 2013
NO

Federal Judge Richard Arcara ruled that there is no "historical or archaeological evidence" that Indians settled west of the Genesee River before the Europeans did.

Therefore, WNY is not, nor ever was Indian land, making their casinos, gas and cigarette stores 100% taxable

The reason they were allowed to operate these enterprises tax free is because of huge donations made to George Elmer Pataki and Mayor Tony Masiello

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#2 May 7, 2013
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh wrote:
NO
Federal Judge Richard Arcara ruled that there is no "historical or archaeological evidence" that Indians settled west of the Genesee River before the Europeans did.
Therefore, WNY is not, nor ever was Indian land, making their casinos, gas and cigarette stores 100% taxable
The reason they were allowed to operate these enterprises tax free is because of huge donations made to George Elmer Pataki and Mayor Tony Masiello
Good evening life and everybody that is going to say " DANCE Tbird DANCE"[ go for it]
For a person that keeps telling people on this forum that you are not here to amuse the people on here but educate them I would suggest that YOU might want to know what in heck you are talking about before you open your big mouth.
Do you even know what a treaty is???
For your info a TREATY is the top law of the land, period.
When the U.S. GOV. enters into a treaty no law can change that treaty with out both sides that entered into that treaty agree to it.
NO judge can overrule or override a treaty.
So what ever Judge Arcara has said or what ever his ruling is are moot.
He has no authority to rule on anything that has to do with a treaty.
Besides the SENECA are an independent sovereign nation.
Do YOU understand what that means???
Well MR." I am not here to amuse but educate people on topix" maybe you should look up and read the facts before you make a post that is not true and is very misleading.
I may or may not be an Indian[ I am still waiting for the FBI or BIA to show up for my dna test} but I have taken the time to read the TREATIES that have to do with the SENECA NATION and I would suggest that YOU did too before you run your mouth off about something you know nothing about.
Have a nice night
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh

Chesapeake, VA

#4 May 7, 2013
tbird19482 wrote:
<quoted text>Good evening life and everybody that is going to say " DANCE Tbird DANCE"[ go for it]
For a person that keeps telling people on this forum that you are not here to amuse the people on here but educate them I would suggest that YOU might want to know what in heck you are talking about before you open your big mouth.
Do you even know what a treaty is???
For your info a TREATY is the top law of the land, period.
When the U.S. GOV. enters into a treaty no law can change that treaty with out both sides that entered into that treaty agree to it.
NO judge can overrule or override a treaty.
So what ever Judge Arcara has said or what ever his ruling is are moot.
He has no authority to rule on anything that has to do with a treaty.
Besides the SENECA are an independent sovereign nation.
Do YOU understand what that means???
Well MR." I am not here to amuse but educate people on topix" maybe you should look up and read the facts before you make a post that is not true and is very misleading.
I may or may not be an Indian[ I am still waiting for the FBI or BIA to show up for my dna test} but I have taken the time to read the TREATIES that have to do with the SENECA NATION and I would suggest that YOU did too before you run your mouth off about something you know nothing about.
Have a nice night
Explain why these two "Indian Chiefs"- Snyder and Schindler have German names. Real Indians have names like "Running Deer" and "Bent Arrow"

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#5 May 7, 2013
Voice of Genius wrote:
He's a dancing fool
YES LIFE IS.
Have a nice night
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh

Chesapeake, VA

#6 May 7, 2013
tbird19482 wrote:
<quoted text>YES LIFE IS.
Have a nice night
And you are a fake Indian

Since: Feb 10

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#7 May 7, 2013
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh wrote:
<quoted text>
Explain why these two "Indian Chiefs"- Snyder and Schindler have German names. Real Indians have names like "Running Deer" and "Bent Arrow"
Why are there Black people with names like O'keefe / Mc cormack /Murphy/ Kelly/ O'sullivan/ Obrien or Mc Carthy?
OH one more thing I am still waiting for the FBI or the BIA to show up.
Can you call them again and tell them to get the heck over here, I could have a lot of money coming.
Have a nice night
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh

Chesapeake, VA

#8 May 7, 2013
tbird19482 wrote:
<quoted text>Why are there Black people with names like O'keefe / Mc cormack /Murphy/ Kelly/ O'sullivan/ Obrien or Mc Carthy?
OH one more thing I am still waiting for the FBI or the BIA to show up.
Can you call them again and tell them to get the heck over here, I could have a lot of money coming.
Have a nice night
Those are names of the FAKE Irishmen who used to own them in the south before they fled north.

Fake Irishmen are what are referred to as "Scotch Irish" who are really British protestants who went to Northern Ireland via Scotland

To be a real Irishman, you must be an Irish Catholic. An Irish protestant is really an Englishman

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#9 May 7, 2013
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh wrote:
<quoted text>
Those are names of the FAKE Irishmen who used to own them in the south before they fled north.
Fake Irishmen are what are referred to as "Scotch Irish" who are really British protestants who went to Northern Ireland via Scotland
To be a real Irishman, you must be an Irish Catholic. An Irish protestant is really an Englishman
DANCE LIFE DANCE
IS this what you call the " BACK Pedal"?
Back pedal, back pedal,back pedal, life back pedal, LOL
So you have Indians that have taken German names and Black people that took Irish names.
And just to let you know I do know of some Black people that can trace their last names back to REAL IRISHMEN [ not fake Irishmen like you]and back to their African Heritage.
Have a nice night
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh

Chesapeake, VA

#10 May 8, 2013
tbird19482 wrote:
<quoted text>DANCE LIFE DANCE
IS this what you call the " BACK Pedal"?
Back pedal, back pedal,back pedal, life back pedal, LOL
So you have Indians that have taken German names and Black people that took Irish names.
And just to let you know I do know of some Black people that can trace their last names back to REAL IRISHMEN [ not fake Irishmen like you]and back to their African Heritage.
Have a nice night
So, you are saying those Indians were slaves who took the names of their German Masters?

I studied Native American history and culture at the college level, and I can tell you are a fake Indian and an idiot
buffalo native

Buffalo, NY

#11 May 8, 2013
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh wrote:
NO
Federal Judge Richard Arcara ruled that there is no "historical or archaeological evidence" that Indians settled west of the Genesee River before the Europeans did.
Therefore, WNY is not, nor ever was Indian land, making their casinos, gas and cigarette stores 100% taxable
The reason they were allowed to operate these enterprises tax free is because of huge donations made to George Elmer Pataki and Mayor Tony Masiello
you sound like a liberal obama club member the senecas will soon announce a new tax free store and gas on michigan avenue and it's way better to shop there than wal mart at least it keeps the money in america

Since: Apr 13

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#12 May 8, 2013
tbird19482 wrote:
<quoted text>Good evening life and everybody that is going to say " DANCE Tbird DANCE"[ go for it]
For a person that keeps telling people on this forum that you are not here to amuse the people on here but educate them I would suggest that YOU might want to know what in heck you are talking about before you open your big mouth.
Do you even know what a treaty is???
For your info a TREATY is the top law of the land, period.
When the U.S. GOV. enters into a treaty no law can change that treaty with out both sides that entered into that treaty agree to it.
NO judge can overrule or override a treaty.
So what ever Judge Arcara has said or what ever his ruling is are moot.
He has no authority to rule on anything that has to do with a treaty.
Besides the SENECA are an independent sovereign nation.
Do YOU understand what that means???
Well MR." I am not here to amuse but educate people on topix" maybe you should look up and read the facts before you make a post that is not true and is very misleading.
I may or may not be an Indian[ I am still waiting for the FBI or BIA to show up for my dna test} but I have taken the time to read the TREATIES that have to do with the SENECA NATION and I would suggest that YOU did too before you run your mouth off about something you know nothing about.
Have a nice night
Then why do indians always run to the federal courts if their opinions don't matter? They just act more and more like north korea every day threatening to scalp pale face and set the thruway on fire. The indians were conquered fair and square and the need to shut up and assimmilate.

Since: Feb 10

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#13 May 8, 2013
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you are saying those Indians were slaves who took the names of their German Masters?
I studied Native American history and culture at the college level, and I can tell you are a fake Indian and an idiot
I didn't say that YOU did.
For a person that says he took Native American History you should know why the Indians took names of the white man, Did you fail that course too.
Indians many times had names the white man could not pronounce so the white man would call them by a white mans name and in order to trade with the white man the names stuck.
I know many Indians that have an Indian name and a white mans name. you really should go back and take that course over you idiot and may be this time you will learn something
Have a nice day
Paul Dyster

Buffalo, NY

#15 May 8, 2013
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh wrote:
<quoted text>
Those are names of the FAKE Irishmen who used to own them in the south before they fled north.
Fake Irishmen are what are referred to as "Scotch Irish" who are really British protestants who went to Northern Ireland via Scotland
To be a real Irishman, you must be an Irish Catholic. An Irish protestant is really an Englishman
this is 100% correct life, once freed many Africans took the names of their employers, I don't like saying master, for instance, Jefferson, Washington, and Jackson. They were some of the biggest slave owners. Most Irish that immigrated here did become Roman catholic like my mother and her brother. That statement is also very true. Good job...
Paul Dyster

Buffalo, NY

#17 May 8, 2013
Negative, lol. Instead of saying " wat up my ninja" wat up my negative" has a better ring...

Since: Feb 10

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#18 May 8, 2013
Dance Wallybird wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why do indians always run to the federal courts if their opinions don't matter? They just act more and more like north korea every day threatening to scalp pale face and set the thruway on fire. The indians were conquered fair and square and the need to shut up and assimmilate.
Maybe you should take the time and read the "Buffalo Creek Treaty"
Here is part of it.
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/kappler/vo...

In these first 9 art. it sets the rez. apart from the state of New York.
and also says the U.S. gov. will pay for roads and other things on the rez. and also gives the Seneca all the righta they had before they sold their lands to the U.S. Gov.
Have a nice day
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh

Chesapeake, VA

#19 May 8, 2013
tbird19482 wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't say that YOU did.
For a person that says he took Native American History you should know why the Indians took names of the white man, Did you fail that course too.
Indians many times had names the white man could not pronounce so the white man would call them by a white mans name and in order to trade with the white man the names stuck.
I know many Indians that have an Indian name and a white mans name. you really should go back and take that course over you idiot and may be this time you will learn something
Have a nice day
I studied these things at the college level. Your understanding of the history and culture of the indigenous peoples comes from listen to other fake Indians babble nonsense at the corner bar or the break room at the Ford plant
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh

Chesapeake, VA

#20 May 8, 2013
tbird19482 wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe you should take the time and read the "Buffalo Creek Treaty"
Here is part of it.
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/kappler/vo...
In these first 9 art. it sets the rez. apart from the state of New York.
and also says the U.S. gov. will pay for roads and other things on the rez. and also gives the Seneca all the righta they had before they sold their lands to the U.S. Gov.
Have a nice day
The Buffalo Creek Treaty applied only to those applicable lands EAST of the Genesee River, you simp

Are you aware that Erie County is WEST of the Genesee River, you simp?
lol

Lancaster, NY

#22 May 8, 2013
Who cares, we all have to row the f**kin boat, or everything goes down the toilet.
If anyone has to pay taxes, then so should everyone else.
And let anyone who is a freeloader starve before we all do.

Since: Feb 10

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#24 May 8, 2013
Lifeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhhhh wrote:
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The Buffalo Creek Treaty applied only to those applicable lands EAST of the Genesee River, you simp
Are you aware that Erie County is WEST of the Genesee River, you simp?
I thought you said you went to college.
How can that be when you can't even read
The last time I looked both the Cattaraugus and Allegany Reservations were west of the Genesee River
this is "article first"
Of the Buffalo Creek Treaty
“ARTICLE FIRST.
The said Thomas Ludlow Ogden, and Joseph Fellows in consideration of the release and agreements hereinafter contained, on the part of the said Seneca nation do on their part consent. covenant and agree that they the said nation (the said indenture not withstanding) shall and may continue in the occupation and enjoyment of the whole of the said two several tracts of land, called the Cattaraugus

Page 539

Reservation, and the Allegany Reservation with the same right and title in all things, as they had and possessed therein immediately before the date of the said indenture, saving and reserving to the said Thomas Ludlow Ogden, and Joseph Fellows the right of pre-emption, and all other the right and title which they then had or held in or to the said tracts of land.

Have a nice night

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#26 May 9, 2013
Lifeeeeeeee Coachhhhhhhhh wrote:
<quoted text>
Arcara nullified the parts of the agreement that applied to lands west of the Genesee River you simp. You are the one who can't read
First of all a fed. Judge only has the Authority to make sure a treaty is Constitutional, They do not have the authority to change or modify a treaty.
Read these
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause and
http://law.onecle.com/constitution/article-2/...
And reread Article first of the Buffalo Creek treaty
. covenant and agree that they the said nation (the said indenture not withstanding) shall and may continue in the occupation and enjoyment of the whole of the said two several tracts of land, called the Cattaraugus

Page 539

Reservation, and the Allegany Reservation with the same right and title in all things, as they had and possessed therein immediately before the date of the said indenture, saving and reserving to the said Thomas Ludlow Ogden, and Joseph Fellows the right of pre-emption, and all other the right and title which they then had or held in or to the said tracts of land.

As you can see it says that the seneca shall have all the same rights they always had before the treaty and they shall have them until they sell the Rez.

Life this is how stupid it would be.
IF a fed. Judge can change a treaty then somebody on the side of the Seneca has to have the same power
So if that was so then why wouldn't the Senecas just say the treaty is now null and void and claim all the land back?
That is why the first treaty and any modification to that treaty have to be agreed on by both parties NOT by a FED. Judge.
Have a nice day.

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