DeKleine guilty of killing wife

Ken DeKleine, a former Holland police officer who was accused of killing his estranged wife Lori in January, has been found guilty of first-degree murder by a jury in a Grand Haven courtroom. Full Story
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saw it coming

Holland, MI

#201 Aug 14, 2008
Juno wrote:
I must comment that I am close to the Roe Family and know for a fact that Lori ingratiated herself into the Roe family by becoming Mrs. Roe's best friend and confidant and their children's "second mother" all awhile having an affair with her husband. All I ever heard from Mrs. Roe is nothing but wonderful things about Lori.(Church going person that just loved her children...etc.) Their entire family was devastated by her death. It is also my understanding that this wasn't Lori's first affair that she had many. If a person suspects that her husband wanted to kill her why would she stoke the fire by having affairs? All parties are guilty in one way or another. Unfortunately, Lori paid the ultimate price. I'm very sorry for that and I am happy Mr. DeKleine was convicted. May peace be with all of the family involved.
THANK YOU, Juno! Finally, someone with some gracious wisdom.
Nothing is ever as it appears, is it? To those who are ready to condemn someone without really knowing what happened: It was my impression Ken DeKleine was the one on trial for a horrible crime; but it seems some are conducting their own hysterical trial of John Roe. Well, at least Ken had the pleasure (yes, he enjoyed it!) of having a trial.

The Roe family has suffered, too (btw, it’s 2 boys, 1 girl), and YES, John Roe made mistakes (and has said so), but unless you know exactly what he did, hold off on the stoning and lynching.(BTW, Roe closed Lori's case as a client before all this erupted!)

If Lori was alive and could visit this blog, she would be horrified at the viciousness. Her first concern would be for her children, and heaven hope they never read all the
misinformed fomenting, and then it would be for the whole Roe family, for whom she cared deeply.(Barb was there for Lori, Patti). None of us has earned the right to "convict" anyone or incite still more “violence”(for the sake of revenge!) by calling up state agencies, unless we really know the whole story and are qualified to throw the first stone of judgement.

So, Juno, thank you for the reality check. Hopefully others will go back and reread Juno’s level assessment on how Lori desperately maneuvered a way to be with those she trusted to keep her safe. Perhaps we can consider stilling the gossip, because John Roe will not be practicing again--he has not practiced since early February when the state suspended his license for 6 months and one day. Because of Ken's illegal surveillance of John (in addition to planting bugging devices in Lori’s house and in her backpack, stalking her friends, striking up conversations with strangers to fabricate Lori’s instability, and breaking 3 PPO’s -all which the police ignored and the prosecutor steered clear of), Ken was able to bring his distortions and charges to the state board long before he killed Lori. He conjured up all kinds of things and the state, rightfully, censored John (he admitted a dual relationship), yet unquestionably believed the husband –a fine police officer.(Hmm, has the lynching list grown? Has the blame game become contagious? Ken will enjoy that.)

If you must, you can call the newspapers, gather together John Roe’s weak,“victimized”, former clients, and carry accusing signs past his long-time EMPTY office. He has no intention of going through hell to get his license back, just so he can continue “victimizing" clients who come (willingly) to his office, most of them referred by other grateful clients. And that is a shame, because many would gladly tell you, that through skillful therapy he helped them not be victims, but rather to find and use their strength, which is what Lori learned, empowering her, on January 10, 2008, to fight so hard she left ample evidence of her stability and the identity of her killer!
hmmmmmm

Holland, MI

#203 Aug 19, 2008
very powerful...sounds like it came from a wonderful writer.
There are many crimes made here...very sad for everyone
grateful client

Allendale, MI

#204 Aug 20, 2008
saw it coming wrote:
<quoted text>
THANK YOU, Juno! Finally, someone with some gracious wisdom.
Nothing is ever as it appears, is it? To those who are ready to condemn someone without really knowing what happened: It was my impression Ken DeKleine was the one on trial for a horrible crime; but it seems some are conducting their own hysterical trial of John Roe. Well, at least Ken had the pleasure (yes, he enjoyed it!) of having a trial.
The Roe family has suffered, too (btw, it’s 2 boys, 1 girl), and YES, John Roe made mistakes (and has said so), but unless you know exactly what he did, hold off on the stoning and lynching.(BTW, Roe closed Lori's case as a client before all this erupted!)
If Lori was alive and could visit this blog, she would be horrified at the viciousness. Her first concern would be for her children, and heaven hope they never read all the
misinformed fomenting, and then it would be for the whole Roe family, for whom she cared deeply.(Barb was there for Lori, Patti). None of us has earned the right to "convict" anyone or incite still more “violence”(for the sake of revenge!) by calling up state agencies, unless we really know the whole story and are qualified to throw the first stone of judgement.
So, Juno, thank you for the reality check. Hopefully others will go back and reread Juno’s level assessment on how Lori desperately maneuvered a way to be with those she trusted to keep her safe. Perhaps we can consider stilling the gossip, because John Roe will not be practicing again--he has not practiced since early February when the state suspended his license for 6 months and one day. Because of Ken's illegal surveillance of John (in addition to planting bugging devices in Lori’s house and in her backpack, stalking her friends, striking up conversations with strangers to fabricate Lori’s instability, and breaking 3 PPO’s -all which the police ignored and the prosecutor steered clear of), Ken was able to bring his distortions and charges to the state board long before he killed Lori. He conjured up all kinds of things and the state, rightfully, censored John (he admitted a dual relationship), yet unquestionably believed the husband –a fine police officer.(Hmm, has the lynching list grown? Has the blame game become contagious? Ken will enjoy that.)
If you must, you can call the newspapers, gather together John Roe’s weak,“victimized”, former clients, and carry accusing signs past his long-time EMPTY office. He has no intention of going through hell to get his license back, just so he can continue “victimizing" clients who come (willingly) to his office, most of them referred by other grateful clients. And that is a shame, because many would gladly tell you, that through skillful therapy he helped them not be victims, but rather to find and use their strength, which is what Lori learned, empowering her, on January 10, 2008, to fight so hard she left ample evidence of her stability and the identity of her killer!
John Roe is a good man. He was a brilliant therapist. Thank you, on behalf of John's MANY grateful clients, to Juno and "saw it coming" for all that you have said in defense of him.
Hope

Chicago, IL

#205 Aug 20, 2008
Hmmmmmm What happened to your last post? Were you censored for suspecting the identity of "saw it coming"? Because I think its pretty apparent who that is as well! I stand by my belief that John Roe is a sick and dangerous therapist. Im happy that he didnt prey on all his clients but dont you think that even one is too many?
Anabelle

Trenton, MI

#206 Aug 20, 2008
hmmmmmm wrote:
very powerful...sounds like it came from a wonderful writer.
There are many crimes made here...very sad for everyone
I agree - I especially appreciate the disorganized thought process and delusions of grandeur. I guess I wasn't aware that Ken DeKleine's murder trial was all about John Roe! The Lori bashing is also a real nice touch.

Since: Jul 08

Grand Haven

#207 Aug 23, 2008
FYI - Ken DeKleine's sentencing is scheduled for Monday, August 25. It got pushed back a week from the original date.
hmmmm

Kalamazoo, MI

#208 Aug 26, 2008
Hope wrote:
Hmmmmmm What happened to your last post? Were you censored for suspecting the identity of "saw it coming"? Because I think its pretty apparent who that is as well! I stand by my belief that John Roe is a sick and dangerous therapist. Im happy that he didnt prey on all his clients but dont you think that even one is too many?
Hope, the 'hmmmmmmmm' comment was not my comment. I have to say that 'saw it coming' DOES sound a lot like John, or someone close to him. The comments in that post make me cringe, as he/she seems to be (again) blaming the victims, and saying that people are crazy for trying to hold John Roe accountable. I know Ken is the murderer, but that doesn't mean that John is innocent. Just my opinion...
Sue

United States

#209 Aug 26, 2008
Juno wrote:
I must comment that I am close to the Roe Family and know for a fact that Lori ingratiated herself into the Roe family by becoming Mrs. Roe's best friend and confidant and their children's "second mother" all awhile having an affair with her husband. All I ever heard from Mrs. Roe is nothing but wonderful things about Lori.(Church going person that just loved her children...etc.) Their entire family was devastated by her death. It is also my understanding that this wasn't Lori's first affair that she had many. If a person suspects that her husband wanted to kill her why would she stoke the fire by having affairs? All parties are guilty in one way or another. Unfortunately, Lori paid the ultimate price. I'm very sorry for that and I am happy Mr. DeKleine was convicted. May peace be with all of the family involved.
I totally agree - Lori is also to blame here - her actions (affairs) pushed him over the edge! Ken is also a victim due to her actions.
hmmmm

Kalamazoo, MI

#210 Aug 27, 2008
Sue wrote:
<quoted text>
I totally agree - Lori is also to blame here - her actions (affairs) pushed him over the edge! Ken is also a victim due to her actions.
Sue, are you insane?? You think that KEN was victimized by LORI?? Get real!
wah wah

East Helena, MT

#212 Oct 8, 2008
wah wah ha ha ha
doobydave

Washington, DC

#213 Oct 8, 2008
right on snurdle...couldn't have called it better meself. Row Row Row your boat is a wanker...and I think B. was totally in on the sicko trois ways.
Labiathonna

Washington, DC

#214 Oct 8, 2008
Coolio. Glad to see so many have auto-monitored this discussion. Didn't take long to get a bunch of newbies jumping in. As Tommy Boy said, "I can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking my head up a bull's arse, but I'd rather take a butcher's word for it." I know which butcher's to believe...and they sure as heck aren't Sue, Anabelle, Saw it Coming or the other imposters.
SassyMolassy

Washington, DC

#215 Oct 8, 2008
Sweet. y'all DC masters represent.

Why does John, I mean saw it coming, think anyone here believes he will not reapply for his license? if tru, submit a request to the state stating unequivocally that they are never to allow you to practice again-nor withold any of the dirty details to any other state-and then publicly publish it for all to read. You coward. You and your whack job wife will surely grow lonesome for another victim. Poor kids.
begladitwasntyou

United States

#216 Oct 19, 2012
Dear readers, I`m amazed at how quikly tongues wag! Some nasty judgemental comments from people who have never lived under either the DeKleines nor the Roe`s "roofs"! Yes affairs ARE painful, but why are many of you so quick to "string up" the therapist? I`m going to take a big fall out for this....but it takes 2 to have an affair. If I remember correctly, Mr. De Kleine had had an affair also? I`m sure I`ll be corrected if I`m wrong. But going on that info, could it not be said that he abused his power as an officer of the law? Trusted by the community? An upstanding citizen? And HE`s the one who commited MURDER. Would you all be as hard on Lori for having an affair if DeKleine had killed the therapist instead? How much "bloodshed" does it take to make Rome happy? Oh, and we didn`t have any inappropriate relationship when I was his client. He walked me through 3 dark years without judgement. Many of you would be priveleged to have known him professionally.

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