Grand Haven Residents Concerned About Wind Turbine Proposal

Nov 30, 2009 Full story: WXMI-TV Grand Rapids 17

Close to two hundred people showed up tonight to sound off on a plan to build two different wind turbines that would be three hundred feet tall in Grand Haven Township.

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Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Barnesville, OH

#1 Dec 1, 2009
Grand Rapids stats seem way out of wack...... Bring up the cost of the project and stand next to the out put of power. GR would be better off putting in a water turbine in the Grand River where it always moves.

“Taz say Hi”

Since: Jan 08

Holland,MI

#2 Dec 1, 2009
I would have to agree that a water turbine would be a good idea for power to be used in Grand Rapids, such as to run the waste water treatment plant. However, the wind turbines are for the water treatment plant, roughly 40 miles away leading to higher installation cost to get the power to the site.

In the meantime, look at how quickly opposition to the idea cropped up. Not that it surprises me as ideas like this almost always face strong opposition from locals near the site. The "property values" card is a very popular one to be played in such a case.

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#3 Dec 1, 2009
I love it!
All these tree hugging nature lovers are all for green energy.
"Just not in my back yard".

Do they really make that much noise?
I've been past the one up near Empire, I never heard any noise.
I guess it wasnt windy enough when I was there.
Mr_P

United States

#4 Dec 1, 2009
Just take a drive to the thumb in the Pigeon,Ubly area.Just take a look at these uglyass montrosities.They've ruined the skyline,make ungodly noises,make huge 'moving shadows'and anyone who would want to live next to or more of these hideous things is crazy.Your peaceful Summer nights outdoors is a thing of the past.Only a moron would buy a house around these things.

Since: Jun 09

GR

#5 Dec 1, 2009
Hey Grand Haven libbies ... How's that Oooooobama thing workin' out for you?

Should have let us drill baby drill! But Noooo! You had to go for the sparkly shiny thing with the cool Pepsi logo. Now you're gonna be listening to turbines all Summer long and picking bird guts off your rooftops :)

“Dude, Where's my car?”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#6 Dec 1, 2009
Get out the clueless nut and spam but I just don't get the whole wind-turbine thing. They are butt ugly and the amount of energy they produce is pathetic. How about instead of spending our $$$ on these giant bird choppers, we go head-first into getting a controlled nuclear fusion reactor working instead?

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#7 Dec 1, 2009
I bet some of these whiner's are the same folks that drive their Prius down the M-6 all day at 45 mph, and brag about their mileage.

Those things do NOT spin that fast, any bird that gets killed by one of those things deserves it!

If I could fly, I'm sure I could make it through one of them things.

I would bet in that whole crowd of people bitching about the windmill's, there wasnt hardly two of them that had ever even been near one.
Much less heard one.
They just dont want it in their "back yard"

“November 12th, 2011”

Since: Nov 07

up a tree

#8 Dec 1, 2009
Gville Jim wrote:
I bet some of these whiner's are the same folks that drive their Prius down the M-6 all day at 45 mph, and brag about their mileage.
Those things do NOT spin that fast, any bird that gets killed by one of those things deserves it!
If I could fly, I'm sure I could make it through one of them things.
I would bet in that whole crowd of people bitching about the windmill's, there wasnt hardly two of them that had ever even been near one.
Much less heard one.
They just dont want it in their "back yard"
You nailed it. Typical "anywhere except my back yard" syndrome. If we can't drill for oil or build nuclear reactors then they better get used to giant wind mills and solar panels dotting the land.
Red_Fist

Saranac, MI

#9 Dec 1, 2009
_Dingo wrote:
Hey Grand Haven libbies ... How's that Oooooobama thing workin' out for you?
Should have let us drill baby drill! But Noooo! You had to go for the sparkly shiny thing with the cool Pepsi logo. Now you're gonna be listening to turbines all Summer long and picking bird guts off your rooftops :)
LoL,........ best post award.

As much as I am against any idea of "global warming" this is a perfect application for windmills.(self contained power for a specific use, to treat and clean and pump water)
But just two of these damn things and so much bichn going on, hell put them in my backyard as long as I can have some free power for my house.

All I can say is if just two of these things is such a big problem, how the hell will they cope with all this other "green" nonsense being pushed by a bunch of do-gooder liberals and those EU countries.
Yooper

Pinconning, MI

#10 Dec 1, 2009
Gville Jim wrote:
I love it!
All these tree hugging nature lovers are all for green energy.
"Just not in my back yard".
Do they really make that much noise?
I've been past the one up near Empire, I never heard any noise.
I guess it wasnt windy enough when I was there.
I agree with you Jim, the tree hugging "NIMBYS" are a real hoot. As far as electricity production is concerned, if I remember right, there are only 7 ways to produce it. Wind, Solar, Hydro, Oil, Gas, Coal, and Nuclear. Whichever one is chosen, someone is not going to want it. But I am willing to bet that every one of them has plenty of electronic gadgets at home that they simply cannot get along without. Face it folks, we need power, and there are only so many ways to get it. PICK ONE.

“Taz say Hi”

Since: Jan 08

Holland,MI

#11 Dec 2, 2009
Part of the problem is due to the fact that the water plant is essentially in a residential area. Of course, there is not much choice in the matter there. The scource of the water is Lake Michigan, so the best place to build the plant was on the shoreline, most of which is residential zonong.

Incidentally, the first unit built at that site was built back in 1940, as part of a WPA project as was the pipeline. The next was in about '62, when the filtration plant went into service. In the meantime, the area was gradually transitioning from agrigultural to residential with most of the homes being built right on the shoreline. Now the area immediately by the water plant has mostly become residential. If it was still agricultural, farmers would most likely welcome the installation of the turbines, but people don't want them by their homes.
Dan Bana

United States

#12 Dec 2, 2009
Gentle Taz wrote:
Part of the problem is due to the fact that the water plant is essentially in a residential area. Of course, there is not much choice in the matter there. The scource of the water is Lake Michigan, so the best place to build the plant was on the shoreline, most of which is residential zonong.
Incidentally, the first unit built at that site was built back in 1940, as part of a WPA project as was the pipeline. The next was in about '62, when the filtration plant went into service. In the meantime, the area was gradually transitioning from agrigultural to residential with most of the homes being built right on the shoreline. Now the area immediately by the water plant has mostly become residential. If it was still agricultural, farmers would most likely welcome the installation of the turbines, but people don't want them by their homes.
You are right Taz so why not put them up just east of US-31 in those farm fields along M-45 and then everyone is happy. The problem of course is that the City has made a decision and reversing it takes a show of outrage like they got over putting the Kroc Center in Garfield Park.

“Taz say Hi”

Since: Jan 08

Holland,MI

#13 Dec 2, 2009
Dan Bana wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right Taz so why not put them up just east of US-31 in those farm fields along M-45 and then everyone is happy. The problem of course is that the City has made a decision and reversing it takes a show of outrage like they got over putting the Kroc Center in Garfield Park.
In order to put them in those farm fields, they would have to buy the property and have the additional cost of running the lines to the plant. They already have the property they want to put them up on. Plus, most likely they would work much better closer to the shoreline.

I would suspect that many cities that have water plants will be watching this one to see how it comes out and what tactics the antis will use against it. This may very well be setting a strong precedent.
bobolinq

Grand Rapids, MI

#14 Dec 2, 2009
let's see hundreds of thousands out of work, thousands of companies closed and/or gone, tens of thousands of forclosures; we need all this extra power for what exactly?

the future you say?

i thought the future was all about needing/using less power. being more efficient and economical and all such rot.

how about looking into revamping the hundreds of thousands of miles of antiquated transmission lines, substations, switches, etc.

i recall the hyperbole re: fiber optic phone lines. what good did it do to run fiber to the pole when 95% of the country's central office switching hubs were copper wired 50's and 60's electro mechanical?

another ethanol scheme.

'jousting with windmills' comes to mind.

“Where I came from”

Since: Jan 09

the universe

#15 Dec 2, 2009
bobolinq wrote:
let's see hundreds of thousands out of work, thousands of companies closed and/or gone, tens of thousands of forclosures; we need all this extra power for what exactly?
the future you say?
i thought the future was all about needing/using less power. being more efficient and economical and all such rot.
how about looking into revamping the hundreds of thousands of miles of antiquated transmission lines, substations, switches, etc.
i recall the hyperbole re: fiber optic phone lines. what good did it do to run fiber to the pole when 95% of the country's central office switching hubs were copper wired 50's and 60's electro mechanical?
another ethanol scheme.
'jousting with windmills' comes to mind.
Well said.

Since: Nov 09

Muskegon, MI

#16 Dec 4, 2009
Short cut ? We give all of Michigan to the Indians and they build casinos.
It will be a private vacation state for the alcoholics and Gamblers.

Only requirement is that most of the eastern states inland get free energy from the turbines and windmills, No nuclear reactors no extreme bio hazards.

After that, we get a tax hike to 52% payroll and no tax on goods purchased and get insurance from the state if we have worked at least 2000 hours from the year before.
Government gets more money we get health care and have more energy from the state of Michigan's turbine's and windmills, then known as the gambler state of Michigan.

kk ? Perhaps...I mean they made marijuana legal now so, why not.

Lemme know if this sounds crazy, I am sorry I don't intend to sound insane but it may be a practical solution to resolve debt and global warming and energy crisis'.
Friendly criticism please, don't be too harsh it's just and opinion.
David Wylie

Lewiston, ME

#17 Feb 7, 2010
I spent all my summers as a child on the shore of lake michigan and it is a very special place. But now we have turbines about 1/2 mile away in Vinalhaven Maine. See the following article by my wife describing the disaster. Don't let this happen to Grand Haven! Let them choose some remote spot, just not within a mile. For those of you who would call us tree-hugging whiners, just spend a day next to some turbines and think if you would embrace having them in your back yard!
Opinion: Hard lessons from the Fox Islands Wind Project
by Sally Wylie
North Haven and Vinalhaven Schools were let out for the ribbon cutting ceremony on November 17. Students passed out colorful pinwheels and excitement was in the air. Governor John Baldacci joined the crowd. First District Congresswoman Chellie Pingree flew in from Washington, D.C. to join her daughter Hannah Pingree, Speaker of the House, in order to celebrate the completion of the Fox Islands Wind Project. As one speaker said, this was the largest group of North Haven and Vinalhaven residents together, ever! The turbines were running, the community had pulled together, and with the support of the Fox Islands Electric Cooperative Inc., the Island Institute, and George Baker, CEO of Fox Islands Wind LLC (FIW), remarkably, the dream of community-based wind power on Vinalhaven was a reality!
Amongst the participants were many of us who are neighbors of the turbines. Although our group overwhelmingly supported the project, we now live with the daily presence of turbine noise, 24/7. As one of the Fox Islands Wind Neighbors (FIWN) recently noted, "We support the windmills, but not the noise." The noise is as constant as the wind, building in intensity according to wind speed and direction. It can be a low rumbling, whooshing, grinding background noise that one can just hear above the sound of the trees or it can build to an in-your-face noise, like jet engines roaring combined with a grinding and pulsating sound that echoes in your head, keeps you awake at night, and beats on your house like a drum.
As neighbors of the wind turbines, we find ourselves in the midst of an unexpected, unwanted life crisis. When GE flipped the switch and the turbines began to turn, island life as we knew it evaporated.
As I watched the first rotation of the giant blades from our deck, my sense of wonder was replaced by disbelief and utter shock as the turbine noise revved up and up, past the sound of our babbling brook, to levels unimagined. It was not supposed to be this way! During informational meetings, on the Fox Islands Wind website, in private conversations, and with personal correspondence, we were all told that ambient noise from the surrounding area would cover the sound of the turbines. This was our expectation. The Fox Islands Wind August 31 cover letter to the state Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) explained, "When the turbines are generating higher sound levels, background noise will be higher as well, masking the sound of the turbines." On the Fox Islands Wind Web site FAQ we read, "The blades passing through the air can make a ‘whooshing' sound and mechanical parts or unusual wind currents can produce a steady ‘hum' or ‘whine.' However, ambient noise is usually louder than any noise produced by wind turbines and modern wind turbines are significantly quieter than older models." Our immediate experience was the reverse.

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